The Road To Boston 2008
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Rocket Roy
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Unfortunately Rich couldn't make it due to the roads out of Ann Arbour and into Toronto being impassable with snow.
However he will race in 2 days time in Cincinatti I think and look to pull a 6.20
However he will race in 2 days time in Cincinatti I think and look to pull a 6.20
Lwt 55+ World Record Holder 6.38.1 (2006-2018)
World champion 2007, 2009, 2014.
2k pb...6.34.7
cycling
25 miles...55;24
10 miles...21.03
Golf best gross 78, 8 over par.
World champion 2007, 2009, 2014.
2k pb...6.34.7
cycling
25 miles...55;24
10 miles...21.03
Golf best gross 78, 8 over par.
Nice work, everyone.
I did a 1500m time trial yesterday and rowed a 147.9, which left me feeling like there is hope for me to get the 7:15.2 I need at the 2K PIRC CRASH B qualifying regatta in the Bay Area this Sunday. That is a 7:11.6 2K pace, but I don't know how this will translate to a full 2K when I am actually tapered and have some race adrenaline. This is my best 1500m time to date. I believe that I can break 7:15 b/c I've been training to learn to keep pushing hard when I am tired. I feel like the tapering I will finally get and the adrenaline of a race will make the difference. I am trying to shove out the doubt..... but
I do have some nay sayers in my world, which is kind of bumming me out today. Part of the reason I kept doing so many workouts in a week was that when it came time to race I'd know how to ask the body to work hard one last time when I've asked it to do this kind of work for me on so many tired days where I've done multiple workouts or I hadn't had a day off for up to a week.
I followed the 1500K with an 800K at the same pace by adding a final 200m of sprinting with a slightly shorter stroke which really helped bring down the final splits.
I'm trying to be realistic about this whole thing. I'm a novice and my strength and fitness have ramped up over this past year so I'm actually pretty clueless about what is reasonable to expect and what isn't.
Today I will do an easy 5K or 6K and then I'm going to rest for the next two days. In the past I have been shocked at the extreme difference some tapering makes to my power and stamina. I'm hoping I find all that I need on Sunday. I am resolving to row my own race, and let the nay sayers be damned.
I did a 1500m time trial yesterday and rowed a 147.9, which left me feeling like there is hope for me to get the 7:15.2 I need at the 2K PIRC CRASH B qualifying regatta in the Bay Area this Sunday. That is a 7:11.6 2K pace, but I don't know how this will translate to a full 2K when I am actually tapered and have some race adrenaline. This is my best 1500m time to date. I believe that I can break 7:15 b/c I've been training to learn to keep pushing hard when I am tired. I feel like the tapering I will finally get and the adrenaline of a race will make the difference. I am trying to shove out the doubt..... but
I do have some nay sayers in my world, which is kind of bumming me out today. Part of the reason I kept doing so many workouts in a week was that when it came time to race I'd know how to ask the body to work hard one last time when I've asked it to do this kind of work for me on so many tired days where I've done multiple workouts or I hadn't had a day off for up to a week.
I followed the 1500K with an 800K at the same pace by adding a final 200m of sprinting with a slightly shorter stroke which really helped bring down the final splits.
I'm trying to be realistic about this whole thing. I'm a novice and my strength and fitness have ramped up over this past year so I'm actually pretty clueless about what is reasonable to expect and what isn't.
Today I will do an easy 5K or 6K and then I'm going to rest for the next two days. In the past I have been shocked at the extreme difference some tapering makes to my power and stamina. I'm hoping I find all that I need on Sunday. I am resolving to row my own race, and let the nay sayers be damned.
Deborah - F 45 HWT
Deborah--
My money is on your being able to do a 7.15.9 or better.
If you can row sub-1.48 for 1.5k, you can add a second to your split and finish 2k, especially if you allow yourself to recover well during the lead up to the race.
Good luck. Actually, you don't need luck. Just race sensibly.
Forumites--please do not turn this into another pointless ranger thread. Ignore him here and allow those of us who are sharing training experiences to do so without unnecessary crap. Thank you.
My money is on your being able to do a 7.15.9 or better.
If you can row sub-1.48 for 1.5k, you can add a second to your split and finish 2k, especially if you allow yourself to recover well during the lead up to the race.
Good luck. Actually, you don't need luck. Just race sensibly.
Forumites--please do not turn this into another pointless ranger thread. Ignore him here and allow those of us who are sharing training experiences to do so without unnecessary crap. Thank you.
No, I am not going to row 6:20 in Cincinnati.Rocket Roy wrote:Unfortunately Rich couldn't make it due to the roads out of Ann Arbour and into Toronto being impassable with snow.
However he will race in 2 days time in Cincinatti I think and look to pull a 6.20
Sub-6:30 would be nice, though.
I'll try to hang on 1:37-1:38 @ 31 spm and then kick with 300m to go.
ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
Deborah
I used to build up to 1500s as part of my 2K training, starting with 1200 at race pace and gradually increasing. I would get to 1500 at 1.45 pace or under knowing mentally that I would break 7 minutes, it always worked!
With your 1500 times I don't think you will have a problem going sub 7.15.
Good Luck
Tom, point taken
Steve 57LW UK
2K 6.55
I used to build up to 1500s as part of my 2K training, starting with 1200 at race pace and gradually increasing. I would get to 1500 at 1.45 pace or under knowing mentally that I would break 7 minutes, it always worked!
With your 1500 times I don't think you will have a problem going sub 7.15.
Good Luck
Tom, point taken
Steve 57LW UK
2K 6.55
Thanks Tom and Steve. I appreciate the comments and the encouragement.
I know it's just a number, but it's not just a number as I'm sure anyone who is training and posting on this forum understands well. If I had tapered and rowed the 1500m with everything I had and a fresh tank at that, I'd be less inclined to have the faith that I can pull this off for 2K on race day.
Tom, good comments about racing smart. I have negative splitted all my time pieces, and I am a firm believer in going 1-2 seconds slower than race goal for at least 400m then settling into my race. With any luck, there will be something left at 500m to kick and ensure the time. If not, I'm going to learn something I need to know.
Since I hate intervals sooooooooooooo much, I am excited at the prospect of a 1 x 2000m. I get to drop the freaking handle and just be done! That alone is motivating. Did I say I really, really hate intervals???
I know it's just a number, but it's not just a number as I'm sure anyone who is training and posting on this forum understands well. If I had tapered and rowed the 1500m with everything I had and a fresh tank at that, I'd be less inclined to have the faith that I can pull this off for 2K on race day.
Tom, good comments about racing smart. I have negative splitted all my time pieces, and I am a firm believer in going 1-2 seconds slower than race goal for at least 400m then settling into my race. With any luck, there will be something left at 500m to kick and ensure the time. If not, I'm going to learn something I need to know.
Since I hate intervals sooooooooooooo much, I am excited at the prospect of a 1 x 2000m. I get to drop the freaking handle and just be done! That alone is motivating. Did I say I really, really hate intervals???
Deborah - F 45 HWT
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Rocket Roy
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Deborah,
As Foyboy said on the UK FORUM about our team captain who hates intervals..... Change your mindset to one of "I am great at intervals and I love dong them"That way you will approach them differently.
I think it is good advice that is worthy of trying.
As Foyboy said on the UK FORUM about our team captain who hates intervals..... Change your mindset to one of "I am great at intervals and I love dong them"That way you will approach them differently.
I think it is good advice that is worthy of trying.
Lwt 55+ World Record Holder 6.38.1 (2006-2018)
World champion 2007, 2009, 2014.
2k pb...6.34.7
cycling
25 miles...55;24
10 miles...21.03
Golf best gross 78, 8 over par.
World champion 2007, 2009, 2014.
2k pb...6.34.7
cycling
25 miles...55;24
10 miles...21.03
Golf best gross 78, 8 over par.
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PaulS
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No Kidding, but don't quit within a minute of being finished.ranger wrote: No, I am not going to row 6:20 in Cincinnati.
Sure it would, but you won't be done with 2k by then either.ranger wrote: Sub-6:30 would be nice, though.
Looking forward to the "try", you should last almost 1000m at 1:38 R31. What type of "kick" do you have in mind? One where the EMT's should have the AED ready?ranger wrote: I'll try to hang on 1:37-1:38 @ 31 spm and then kick with 300m to go.
ranger
Howz the weight?
Erg on,
Paul Smith
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Deborah,
You'll have no trouble breaking 7:15. Get a good warm up and race smart. I wouldn't be surprised if you could 7:12.
Wish I was joining you this weekend but after my knee injury I'm not in shape for it.
I think one reason you hate intervals so much is that you train too hard! Back off the pace on the intervals by a second per 500m and you would like them much better.
You'll have no trouble breaking 7:15. Get a good warm up and race smart. I wouldn't be surprised if you could 7:12.
Wish I was joining you this weekend but after my knee injury I'm not in shape for it.
I think one reason you hate intervals so much is that you train too hard! Back off the pace on the intervals by a second per 500m and you would like them much better.
Roy, great session, I can't believe you were somewhat discouraged about a month ago with illness or injury, I can't remember which....you should be really ready to go in Boston, can't wait to see your race!
Deborah, don't listen to the nay sayers. You are going to be in the medals absolutely. Whoever is trying to tell you anything discouraging isnit worthy of your ear.
Today was fun, my do whatever I want day, and for once the CTC is something nice, (though weird) 7777m. What a pleasure to just row. It felt fine but I did get a little tired near the end.
Std erg.
7777m 30:50 1:58.9/25
I'd like to figure out my 30 min time from it but don't know how. I did the splits at 500m so I can get my 5K and 6K time off it, just to see how they compare to doing those events separately but I've taken a stupid pill and can't figure out how to get my accurate 30 min from it. I know taking the av. isn't right because the last 277 m I did at 1:54.
Deborah, don't listen to the nay sayers. You are going to be in the medals absolutely. Whoever is trying to tell you anything discouraging isnit worthy of your ear.
Today was fun, my do whatever I want day, and for once the CTC is something nice, (though weird) 7777m. What a pleasure to just row. It felt fine but I did get a little tired near the end.
Std erg.
7777m 30:50 1:58.9/25
I'd like to figure out my 30 min time from it but don't know how. I did the splits at 500m so I can get my 5K and 6K time off it, just to see how they compare to doing those events separately but I've taken a stupid pill and can't figure out how to get my accurate 30 min from it. I know taking the av. isn't right because the last 277 m I did at 1:54.
Carla Stein--F 47 HWT
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The average would give you 7567.seat5 wrote: 7777m 30:50 1:58.9/25
I'd like to figure out my 30 min time from it but don't know how. .... I know taking the av. isn't right because the last 277 m I did at 1:54.
Probably the fairest way would be to eliminate the 50 seconds from your first split. The only problem with the first split is that it is artificially slow because of the start, but depending on how you started and how long the first split is, it is probably the best way. So if you did a 2:00 pace on your first split then the your 30 minute distance would be 7568. If it was 2:05, then it would be 7577. 2:10 would be 7585.
The other way to do it is to eliminate the 50 seconds from everything except your final sprint. So assuming you waited until the final 277 m to sprint, that also would have given you 7567.
Thanks for all the encouragement, fellow forum friends. I feel much better and will try to stay positive and stick with my plan. Anyone been to the PIRC? It does not look like it's a crowded venue, but then after hearing LB had 11 qualifiers, it's a little scary to think that might change. Oh well, thanks to frequent flier miles, I'm coming to Boston no matter what.
Nosmo, I didn't realize you live in the Bay Area. Where are you? Sorry to hear about your knee. I would love to meet you. Will you be in Boston?
Carla, can I just say that although it is clear you are quite powerful, you are probably deadly in an endurance race. Those are truly great splits for almost 8000 meters. Wow. And you had a nice sprint to finish. Very impressive. I would really have to push to do that, if I could manage at all. It will be fun to row some longer pieces after Boston. I have never even tried to row 8K at sub 2:00. OK, I don't need to get any new ideas right now! I'm pretty sure I would not find rowing an 8K that fast to be "my fun day."
Tomorrow I get a light bike ride to get some blood moving, but no more rowing until Sunday. I wonder if I will know what to do with myself. Might be fun to find out.
Nosmo, I didn't realize you live in the Bay Area. Where are you? Sorry to hear about your knee. I would love to meet you. Will you be in Boston?
Carla, can I just say that although it is clear you are quite powerful, you are probably deadly in an endurance race. Those are truly great splits for almost 8000 meters. Wow. And you had a nice sprint to finish. Very impressive. I would really have to push to do that, if I could manage at all. It will be fun to row some longer pieces after Boston. I have never even tried to row 8K at sub 2:00. OK, I don't need to get any new ideas right now!
I'm pretty sure I would not find rowing an 8K that fast to be "my fun day." Tomorrow I get a light bike ride to get some blood moving, but no more rowing until Sunday. I wonder if I will know what to do with myself. Might be fun to find out.
Deborah - F 45 HWT