Rogue Challenge

From the CRASH-B's to an online challenge, discuss the competitive side of erging here.
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M1bennett
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Rogue Challenge

Post by M1bennett » December 14th, 2023, 12:03 pm

Hello All! New to rowing, though not to training, curious if anyone has seen the rogue 10,000 meter challenge? Not planning on placing, just sounds like fun.
Curious if it would be ill advised being new to rowing to go that long? The most I’ve rowed is 2500m at one sitting. Any thoughts, advice would be appreciated!

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by Sakly » December 15th, 2023, 12:46 am

M1bennett wrote:
December 14th, 2023, 12:03 pm
Hello All! New to rowing, though not to training, curious if anyone has seen the rogue 10,000 meter challenge? Not planning on placing, just sounds like fun.
Curious if it would be ill advised being new to rowing to go that long? The most I’ve rowed is 2500m at one sitting. Any thoughts, advice would be appreciated!
Hi,
No idea of the challenge, but 10k isn't really very long distance. A more or less fit person should be able to go for it. Someone who never did any activity will definitely get in trouble trying.
10k was my first distance piece on the erg, when I started.
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by jamesg » December 15th, 2023, 2:34 am

Curious if it would be ill advised being new to rowing to go that long?
Try it. The advantage of the erg is that we can stop any time, with no need to get back to the boathouse against wind and tide. Another advantage of rowing/erging is that even at low Power, boats/flywheels still go fast, so we can usually take it easy at low rates. Boats can go a long way between strokes, as does your flywheel, if you keep drag low.

However we do need good style, since this ensures use of the right muscle at the right time. See:
https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/ ... que-videos

Be cautious with machine settings: foot height and drag. If both low, it's easier to use the legs; these are usually quite strong, so have no problem in overloading our CV capacity, as in hill-walking and the like.

The PM on the C2 erg shows Power in Watts so also allows direct heart rate control. Under steady state aerobic conditions, HR training theory suggest there is a fixed ratio between Power and HRRange used. An athlete may be able to deliver say 300W at HR 150 with rest rate 50, so ratio 300/100 = 3. This ratio will depend on age, size and sex.
08-1940, 183cm, 83kg.
2024: stroke 5.5W-min@20-21. ½k 190W, 1k 145W, 2k 120W. Using Wods 4-5days/week. Fading fast.

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by mict450 » December 15th, 2023, 2:45 am

Welcome to the campfire. Hard to say whether you should participate or not. Sakly & James give good advice. But let me give an opposing view.

Is your erging technique solid? Are you planning a nice, relaxing erg, like a leisurely Sunday stroll in the park? Are you a type A personality, like me & others on this forum, who, in the moment of competition, will try & push for a PB?

You maybe aerobically able to push yourself due to your other training or maybe not. However rowing is not a a natural motion. You need to learn by multiple repetition of the correct sequencing. Otherwise, the chances of injury increase. Also, the white tissues of you body will always be the limiting factor physically, with their decreased blood supply for recovery & healing.

If you can keep your head & think of your long-term erging life, then you should be fine. I'm damned near 70, with multiple injuries received due to pushing too hard through out my life. Maybe one day, I'll be smart enough to take my own advice. :cry:

Best wishes to you.
Eric, YOB:1954
Old, slow & getting more so
Shasta County, CA, small town USA

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by Sakly » December 15th, 2023, 3:25 am

mict450 wrote:
December 15th, 2023, 2:45 am
Maybe one day, I'll be smart enough to take my own advice. :cry:
Same for me 😂😂
But I have a few more years to try 😇
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by Dangerscouse » December 15th, 2023, 4:50 am

mict450 wrote:
December 15th, 2023, 2:45 am
Welcome to the campfire. Hard to say whether you should participate or not. Sakly & James give good advice. But let me give an opposing view.

Is your erging technique solid? Are you planning a nice, relaxing erg, like a leisurely Sunday stroll in the park? Are you a type A personality, like me & others on this forum, who, in the moment of competition, will try & push for a PB?

You maybe aerobically able to push yourself due to your other training or maybe not. However rowing is not a a natural motion. You need to learn by multiple repetition of the correct sequencing. Otherwise, the chances of injury increase. Also, the white tissues of you body will always be the limiting factor physically, with their decreased blood supply for recovery & healing.

If you can keep your head & think of your long-term erging life, then you should be fine. I'm damned near 70, with multiple injuries received due to pushing too hard through out my life. Maybe one day, I'll be smart enough to take my own advice. :cry:

Best wishes to you.
Great advice as usual Eric
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by mict450 » December 15th, 2023, 5:51 am

Well, Stu, the old-timers up here have a saying, "You can't fix stupid!" I wonder if the coroner will put that on my death certificate. :?: :?: :roll:
Eric, YOB:1954
Old, slow & getting more so
Shasta County, CA, small town USA

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by Cyclingman1 » December 15th, 2023, 9:11 pm

mict450 wrote:
December 15th, 2023, 2:45 am
I'm damned near 70 with multiple injuries received due to pushing too hard through out my life. Maybe one day, I'll be smart enough to take my own advice.
Pushing too hard: a definite problem for endurance athletes. I've got to be at or near the top of that list. Since turning 65: two DVTs/PEs, two hips replaced, microdisectomy, two pretty much bone-on-bone knees, etc. Course most of that was a result of all of the pushing at basketball, running, & cycling before 65. Some days rowing is a bit of a challenge - a lot of aches.

Regarding the orig question of rowing 10K? Personally, I think it is a bit much for a rank beginner. It's not a trivial distance/time to row. Of course it depends on the person and athletic experience. I was obsessed with 2K when I started; I didn't do 10K until 3 months later. Still not a high volume rower.
JimG, Gainesville, Ga, 78, 76", 205lb. PBs:
66-69: .5,1,2,5,6,10K: 1:30.8 3:14.1 6:40.7 17:34.0 21:18.1 36:21.7 30;60;HM: 8337 16237 1:20:25
70-78: .5,1,2,5,6,10K: 1:32.7 3:19.5 6:58.1 17:55.3 21:32.6 36:41.9 30;60;HM: 8214 15353 1:23:02.5

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Re: Rogue Challenge

Post by Ombrax » December 16th, 2023, 12:45 am

I'm thinking that a relatively new rower will have a hard time figuring out what pace to do a 10k.

Anything that seems "normal" to them (i.e. what they use for shorter pieces) will in all likelihood be too fast for a 10k. (one exception being those who only row at UT2 or UT1 and could just keep going)

Bottom line, my advice to the OP is to think about your pace beforehand, or risk possibly burning out well before the end.

Good Luck

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