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Post by [old] btreacy » December 26th, 2005, 8:08 am

Got a nano for Christmas - Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie by Abba seems to be perfect for 30 spm. Any other spm songs would be welcome.

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Post by [old] Ducatista » December 27th, 2005, 5:59 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-btreacy+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(btreacy)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Got a nano for Christmas    - Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie by Abba  seems to be  perfect for 30 spm. Any other spm songs would be welcome. </td></tr></table><br />Great present! OK, you asked for it... <br /><br />I use a program called ltjBPM to feed bpm counts into iTunes. Songs from 100 (25spm) to 120 (30spm) are candidates for my Rowing playlist. I rotate songs in and out, set the iPod on shuffle, and go. Here's my current short list, showing bpm / song / artist:<br /><br />120 / Maria Moita / Carlos Lyra<br />120 / Crash / Propellerheads<br />120 / Cominagetcha / Propellerheads<br />120 / Take California / Propellerheads<br />120 / Dance With You / Groove Collective<br />120 / Ay Mi Cuba / Celia Cruz<br />120 / Race Car Ya-Yas / Cake<br />120 / Tres Amigos / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Little Brother (Mo' Horizons Rmx) / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Working Class Glamour / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Livin' On A Prayer / Bon Jovi<br />119 / Fully Retractable / Soul Coughing<br />119 / Caramel / Suzanne Vega<br />119 / The Boy With The Thorn In His Side / The Smiths<br />119 / Cosmic Girl / Jamiroquai<br />119 / The Power of Love / Huey Lewis & The News<br />119 / Los Canos De Meca / Bossa Brava<br />119 / Bad Medicine / Bon Jovi<br />119 / Broken Train / Beck<br />118 / Chick a Boom / Joe Bataan<br />118 / Basmati / Dzihan & Kamien<br />118 / Mango Mondo / Bossa Brava<br />118 / Your Silent Face / New Order<br />117 / Night and Day / Ella Fitzgerald<br />117 / Samba Dees Days / Stan Getz<br />117 / DDR (Freedom Satellite Mix) / Orbital Experience<br />117 / Big Tall Man / Liz Phair<br />116 / Return To Paradise / Shirley Horn/Verve Remix<br />116 / Frankly Mr Shankly / The Smiths<br />116 / We'll Be Together / Sting<br />116 / Boogie Shoes / K.C. & The Sunshine Band<br />116 / In My Bones / Groove Armada<br />116 / If Everybody Looked The Same / Groove Armada<br />116 / Samba For Dais / Bossa Brava<br />115 / Balanco No Samba / Stan Getz<br />115 / Forgive Me / DJ Tonk<br />115 / Savoir Faire / Ursula 1000<br />115 / Cuban Pete / Tito Puente<br />115 / Guantanamera / Celia Cruz<br />115 / Absolute / Scritti Politti<br />115 / Tidepools / Afro-Mystic<br />115 / What's Your Number? / Ian Pooley<br />115 / Frank Sinatra / Cake<br />115 / Guanabara / Bossacucanova<br />114 / Don't Work That Hard / Scritti Politti<br />114 / Pousada Do Amor / Les Hommes<br />114 / Do You Believe In Love / Huey Lewis & The News<br />114 / Say It Isn't So / Hall & Oates<br />114 / A Little Respect / Erasure<br />114 / Lint Of Love / Cibo Matto<br />113 / Miss Modular / Stereolab<br />113 / Guiro Electro - Rainer Truby Trio Remix / Bobby Matos<br />113 / La Cosa Mas Chunga / Modaji<br />113 / Second Feature / Diffusion<br />113 / Do I Do / Stevie Wonder<br />113 / Wood Beez / Scritti Politti<br />113 / High Times / Jamiroquai<br />113 / Old School / Bran Van 3000<br />112 / Houston / Soul Coughing<br />112 / Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps / Cake<br />112 / Black Shine / Chari Chari<br />112 / Happiness Brakes / Bossa Brava<br />111 / Stone / Cibo Matto<br />111 / A Different Feeling / Avalanches<br />110 / La Dicha Mia / Celia Cruz<br />110 / Small Talk / Scritti Politti<br />110 / Didn't I / k.d. lang and The Reclines<br />110 / I Want A New Drug / Huey Lewis & The News<br />110 / I Can't Go For That / Hall & Oates<br />109 / Misinformed / Soul Coughing<br />109 / Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours / Stevie Wonder<br />109 / The Twilight Hour / The The<br />109 / Head Games / Foreigner<br />109 / Le Baron / Big Sir<br />109 / Night Fever / Bee Gees<br />108 / Shoulder Holster / Morcheeba<br />108 / Club Dandy Goldrush / Bartholomaus + Raabenstein<br />108 / Clang / Propellerheads<br />108 / Jet Sounds / Nicola Conte<br />107 / Maracatu Too / Stan Getz<br />107 / Boogie On Reggae Woman / Stevie Wonder<br />107 / That Girl / Stevie Wonder<br />107 / A Bailer La Plena / Celia Cruz<br />107 / Latin Racer / Bossa Brava<br />107 / Jack-Ass / Beck<br />106 / Early To Bed / Morphine<br />106 / Let Me See / Morcheeba<br />106 / Bala Com Bala / O Elis Regina<br />106 / The Incumbent / Soul Coughing<br />106 / Full Movie Coma / Sugarfixx<br />106 / I Wish / Stevie Wonder<br />106 / Cemetry Gates / The Smiths<br />106 / Go Faster / Propellerheads<br />106 / Alright / Jamiroquai<br />106 / Spoon / Cibo Matto<br />106 / Jive Talkin' / Bee Gees<br />106 / More Than A Woman / Bee Gees<br />105 / Manteca (Funky Lowlives Remix) / Dizzie Gillespie<br />105 / Zum Zum / Izuru Utsumi<br />105 / Put Yourself in My Shoes / Clint Black<br />105 / Girlfriend In A Coma / The Smiths<br />105 / Perfect Way / Scritti Politti<br />105 / Headache / Liz Phair<br />104 / Mambo Gozon / Tito Puente<br />104 / Menina Moca / Stan Getz<br />103 / Circles / Soul Coughing<br />103 / Miss Chatelaine / k.d. lang<br />103 / Nothing Can Pull Us Apart / Pilgrims of the Mind<br />103 / Shadowrun / Bossa Brava<br />103 / Stayin' Alive / Bee Gees<br />102 / Stiff Jazz / Dzihan & Kamien<br />102 / So Far I Have Not Found The Science / Soul Coughing<br />102 / Englishman in New York / Sting<br />102 / Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago / Soul Coughing<br />102 / Still Thrives This Love / k.d. lang<br />100 / Shining Star / Earth, Wind & Fire<br />100 / Hey! / Tipsy

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Post by [old] tjod » December 27th, 2005, 6:08 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Ducatista+Dec 27 2005, 01:59 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Dec 27 2005, 01:59 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-btreacy+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(btreacy)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Got a nano for Christmas    - Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie by Abba  seems to be  perfect for 30 spm. Any other spm songs would be welcome. </td></tr></table><br />Great present! OK, you asked for it... <br /><br />I use a program called ltjBPM to feed bpm counts into iTunes. Songs from 100 (25spm) to 120 (30spm) are candidates for my Rowing playlist. I rotate songs in and out, set the iPod on shuffle, and go. Here's my current short list, showing bpm / song / artist:<br />...<br />... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Great list! <br /><br />I looked up the app ... ltjBPM. Is there a PC version or equivalent?<br />(Yes, we do have an iBook , but putting iTunes and the music collection on it is no-can-do at the moment since the iPod uses more space for music than is available on the iBook... i i i i !! ) <br /><br />Thanks !<br />

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Post by [old] Ducatista » December 27th, 2005, 6:36 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-tjod+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tjod)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I looked up the app ... ltjBPM.  Is there a PC version or equivalent? </td></tr></table><br />Hi tjod,<br /><br />I came across several PC freeware bpm counters in my Google search for a Mac app. I can't remember any names, but I bet you'll find one without too much trouble. Look for one that will feed the beats directly into iTunes. Much easier than entering them manually.<br /><br />Side note, for those who'd rather buy than steal: I highly recommend <a href='http://www.emusic.com' target='_blank'>eMusic.com</a>. It's a legit subscription service that gives you 65 downloads/month for a $15 monthly fee, or 90 downloads for $20. Their mainstream selection isn't that great, but if you like, say, jazz, or latin, or classical, or electronica, they've got a TON of stuff, and the files are plain old MP3s, not that stupid iTunes Music Store format. You can browse their entire library before you subscribe.

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Post by [old] Godfried » December 27th, 2005, 6:40 pm

Another post mentioned <a href='http://dl2.mixmeister.com/bpmanlyz.exe' target='_blank'>mixmeister bpm analyzer</a>.

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Post by [old] tjod » December 27th, 2005, 7:18 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Ducatista+Dec 27 2005, 02:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Dec 27 2005, 02:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-tjod+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tjod)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I looked up the app ... ltjBPM.  Is there a PC version or equivalent? </td></tr></table><br />Hi tjod,<br /><br />I came across several PC freeware bpm counters in my Google search for a Mac app. I can't remember any names, but I bet you'll find one without too much trouble. Look for one that will feed the beats directly into iTunes. Much easier than entering them manually.<br /><br />Side note, for those who'd rather buy than steal: I highly recommend <a href='http://www.emusic.com' target='_blank'>eMusic.com</a>. It's a legit subscription service that gives you 65 downloads/month for a $15 monthly fee, or 90 downloads for $20. Their mainstream selection isn't that great, but if you like, say, jazz, or latin, or classical, or electronica, they've got a TON of stuff, and the files are plain old MP3s, not that stupid iTunes Music Store format. You can browse their entire library before you subscribe. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'll google it tonight.<br /><br />I've tried Audio Lunchbox for a few downloads - mostly new artists and indie stuff. Also Using Anapod Explorer as an alternative to iTunes. Maybe they have a beat counter plug-in ... <br /><br />I can also note that Pat Benatar's Greatest Hits is probably a little too energetic for casual rowing ... Yikes!<br />

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Post by [old] tjod » December 27th, 2005, 7:19 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Godfried+Dec 27 2005, 02:40 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Godfried @ Dec 27 2005, 02:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Another post mentioned <a href='http://dl2.mixmeister.com/bpmanlyz.exe' target='_blank'>mixmeister bpm analyzer</a>. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks, I'll try looking at that tonight. <br />

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Post by [old] btreacy » December 28th, 2005, 7:54 am

<!--QuoteBegin-Ducatista+Dec 27 2005, 04:59 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Dec 27 2005, 04:59 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-btreacy+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(btreacy)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Got a nano for Christmas    - Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie by Abba  seems to be  perfect for 30 spm. Any other spm songs would be welcome. </td></tr></table><br />Great present! OK, you asked for it... <br /><br />I use a program called ltjBPM to feed bpm counts into iTunes. Songs from 100 (25spm) to 120 (30spm) are candidates for my Rowing playlist. I rotate songs in and out, set the iPod on shuffle, and go. Here's my current short list, showing bpm / song / artist:<br /><br />120 / Maria Moita / Carlos Lyra<br />120 / Crash / Propellerheads<br />120 / Cominagetcha / Propellerheads<br />120 / Take California / Propellerheads<br />120 / Dance With You / Groove Collective<br />120 / Ay Mi Cuba / Celia Cruz<br />120 / Race Car Ya-Yas / Cake<br />120 / Tres Amigos / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Little Brother (Mo' Horizons Rmx) / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Working Class Glamour / Bossa Brava<br />120 / Livin' On A Prayer / Bon Jovi<br />119 / Fully Retractable / Soul Coughing<br />119 / Caramel / Suzanne Vega<br />119 / The Boy With The Thorn In His Side / The Smiths<br />119 / Cosmic Girl / Jamiroquai<br />119 / The Power of Love / Huey Lewis & The News<br />119 / Los Canos De Meca / Bossa Brava<br />119 / Bad Medicine / Bon Jovi<br />119 / Broken Train / Beck<br />118 / Chick a Boom / Joe Bataan<br />118 / Basmati / Dzihan & Kamien<br />118 / Mango Mondo / Bossa Brava<br />118 / Your Silent Face / New Order<br />117 / Night and Day / Ella Fitzgerald<br />117 / Samba Dees Days / Stan Getz<br />117 / DDR (Freedom Satellite Mix) / Orbital Experience<br />117 / Big Tall Man / Liz Phair<br />116 / Return To Paradise / Shirley Horn/Verve Remix<br />116 / Frankly Mr Shankly / The Smiths<br />116 / We'll Be Together / Sting<br />116 / Boogie Shoes / K.C. & The Sunshine Band<br />116 / In My Bones / Groove Armada<br />116 / If Everybody Looked The Same / Groove Armada<br />116 / Samba For Dais / Bossa Brava<br />115 / Balanco No Samba / Stan Getz<br />115 / Forgive Me / DJ Tonk<br />115 / Savoir Faire / Ursula 1000<br />115 / Cuban Pete / Tito Puente<br />115 / Guantanamera / Celia Cruz<br />115 / Absolute / Scritti Politti<br />115 / Tidepools / Afro-Mystic<br />115 / What's Your Number? / Ian Pooley<br />115 / Frank Sinatra / Cake<br />115 / Guanabara / Bossacucanova<br />114 / Don't Work That Hard / Scritti Politti<br />114 / Pousada Do Amor / Les Hommes<br />114 / Do You Believe In Love / Huey Lewis & The News<br />114 / Say It Isn't So / Hall & Oates<br />114 / A Little Respect / Erasure<br />114 / Lint Of Love / Cibo Matto<br />113 / Miss Modular / Stereolab<br />113 / Guiro Electro - Rainer Truby Trio Remix / Bobby Matos<br />113 / La Cosa Mas Chunga / Modaji<br />113 / Second Feature / Diffusion<br />113 / Do I Do / Stevie Wonder<br />113 / Wood Beez / Scritti Politti<br />113 / High Times / Jamiroquai<br />113 / Old School / Bran Van 3000<br />112 / Houston / Soul Coughing<br />112 / Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps / Cake<br />112 / Black Shine / Chari Chari<br />112 / Happiness Brakes / Bossa Brava<br />111 / Stone / Cibo Matto<br />111 / A Different Feeling / Avalanches<br />110 / La Dicha Mia / Celia Cruz<br />110 / Small Talk / Scritti Politti<br />110 / Didn't I / k.d. lang and The Reclines<br />110 / I Want A New Drug / Huey Lewis & The News<br />110 / I Can't Go For That / Hall & Oates<br />109 / Misinformed / Soul Coughing<br />109 / Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours / Stevie Wonder<br />109 / The Twilight Hour / The The<br />109 / Head Games / Foreigner<br />109 / Le Baron / Big Sir<br />109 / Night Fever / Bee Gees<br />108 / Shoulder Holster / Morcheeba<br />108 / Club Dandy Goldrush / Bartholomaus + Raabenstein<br />108 / Clang / Propellerheads<br />108 / Jet Sounds / Nicola Conte<br />107 / Maracatu Too / Stan Getz<br />107 / Boogie On Reggae Woman / Stevie Wonder<br />107 / That Girl / Stevie Wonder<br />107 / A Bailer La Plena / Celia Cruz<br />107 / Latin Racer / Bossa Brava<br />107 / Jack-Ass / Beck<br />106 / Early To Bed / Morphine<br />106 / Let Me See / Morcheeba<br />106 / Bala Com Bala / O Elis Regina<br />106 / The Incumbent / Soul Coughing<br />106 / Full Movie Coma / Sugarfixx<br />106 / I Wish / Stevie Wonder<br />106 / Cemetry Gates / The Smiths<br />106 / Go Faster / Propellerheads<br />106 / Alright / Jamiroquai<br />106 / Spoon / Cibo Matto<br />106 / Jive Talkin' / Bee Gees<br />106 / More Than A Woman / Bee Gees<br />105 / Manteca (Funky Lowlives Remix) / Dizzie Gillespie<br />105 / Zum Zum / Izuru Utsumi<br />105 / Put Yourself in My Shoes / Clint Black<br />105 / Girlfriend In A Coma / The Smiths<br />105 / Perfect Way / Scritti Politti<br />105 / Headache / Liz Phair<br />104 / Mambo Gozon / Tito Puente<br />104 / Menina Moca / Stan Getz<br />103 / Circles / Soul Coughing<br />103 / Miss Chatelaine / k.d. lang<br />103 / Nothing Can Pull Us Apart / Pilgrims of the Mind<br />103 / Shadowrun / Bossa Brava<br />103 / Stayin' Alive / Bee Gees<br />102 / Stiff Jazz / Dzihan & Kamien<br />102 / So Far I Have Not Found The Science / Soul Coughing<br />102 / Englishman in New York / Sting<br />102 / Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago / Soul Coughing<br />102 / Still Thrives This Love / k.d. lang<br />100 / Shining Star / Earth, Wind & Fire<br />100 / Hey! / Tipsy <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks for the list. One other question how do you stop the head phones falling off when you are really going for it on the erg?<br />It can be quite annoying <br />

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Post by [old] C2dreamer » December 28th, 2005, 8:12 am

I too got a Nano for Christmas. It has really energized my rowing! I have not had any problems keeping my earphones in. Occasionally I wear a tobbagon when I row which really keeps them secure. It can be pretty cold her in the Smokey Mtns of TN. I row outside on a covered wrap-around porch. It is a heavenly place to row. <br />Susan

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Post by [old] johnnybike » December 28th, 2005, 1:34 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-C2dreamer+Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(C2dreamer @ Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Occasionally I wear a tobbagon when I row which really keeps them secure.  [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I thought a tobbagon was one of those heavy sled things. I suspect I might be wrong

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Post by [old] johnnybike » December 28th, 2005, 1:37 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-tjod+Dec 27 2005, 06:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tjod @ Dec 27 2005, 06:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ducatista+Dec 27 2005, 02:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Dec 27 2005, 02:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-tjod+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tjod)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I looked up the app ... ltjBPM.  Is there a PC version or equivalent? </td></tr></table> <br /> </td></tr></table>[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />A UK form thread mentioned MixMeister which I downloaded and is excellent<br /><br /><a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9035' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9035</a>

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Post by [old] C2dreamer » December 28th, 2005, 2:02 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Dec 28 2005, 12:34 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Dec 28 2005, 12:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-C2dreamer+Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(C2dreamer @ Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Occasionally I wear a tobbagon when I row which really keeps them secure.  [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I thought a tobbagon was one of those heavy sled things. I suspect I might be wrong <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What do you call a knitted cap? I refer to the sled as a tobagon too.<br />Susan

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Post by [old] tjod » December 28th, 2005, 2:06 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-C2dreamer+Dec 28 2005, 10:02 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(C2dreamer @ Dec 28 2005, 10:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Dec 28 2005, 12:34 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Dec 28 2005, 12:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-C2dreamer+Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(C2dreamer @ Dec 28 2005, 07:12 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Occasionally I wear a tobbagon when I row which really keeps them secure.  [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I thought a tobbagon was one of those heavy sled things. I suspect I might be wrong <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What do you call a knitted cap? I refer to the sled as a tobagon too.<br />Susan <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Toque or tocque?<br />

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Post by [old] Ducatista » December 28th, 2005, 6:54 pm

Or tuque, eh?

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