Ranger's training thread

[MRapp]

Ranger is one of the most disgusting and pathetic characters I've ever had the displeasure of running across. That said, he has every right to come on here and lie about his life. You and I have every equal right to follow his posts or ignore them and not click on his thread. Don't like it? Ignore it. Get lost. I love how people that clearly follow this thread finally decide to post something and then belittle those that post. Why does this thread need to be locked? Because you aren't capable of tuning out? What is so hard about not clicking on "ranger's training thread"? It's pretty simple. The fact that you are posting here and requesting that it be locked is exactly why the thread exists. He posts whatever it takes to keep people coming back. It pains me to say this but he is far more intelligent than most of the followers.

[ranger]

What a sad concept in view that this is supposed to be a training thread.
It suggests that it is just fine to post a litany of falsehoods and call it training.

"I now row all my strokes at (12 or 13 spi)" is an excellent example.
"I don't take days off" is another
"I'll work my way up to erging 42k a day at 23 spm and 1:48 pace (as a 60 year old)" is most glaring...
Then there's the 6:16 2k stuff...

All of the judgments here ("litany of falsehoods, "glaring") have no foundation.

Sure, at 23 spm, I now go 1:48 at 75% HRR.

So, this is FM pace, a relatively mild level of effort (155 bpm) that I also do when I ride for a couple of hours on my bike.

Many days, I row for an hour and a half or so at this level of effort. Then I have breakfast. Then I ride my bike for an hour and a half or so at this level of effort.

If you go 1:58, rather than 1:48, at the same rate and level of effort, the difference is just in how well we row, how much work we do on each stroke, relative to the level of effort we exert.

Sorry, Mike, but I can't help it if you row badly.

Your rowing badly doesn't have anything to do with me.

It has to do with you.

Quality lightweights like Stephansen pull 12 SPI, as I do, not 9 SPI, like you; and there is no reason for techique and skeletal-muscular capacities (e.g., full-body strength) to decline with age.

Why do you only pull 9 SPI OTErg, even though you are fit, 6' tall, a dedicated rower, excellent OTW, etc.?

Beats me.

If you post a digipic of your force curve when you are pulling 1:58 @ 23 spm (9 SPI), perhaps we can start to figure it out.

But you don't seem to be interested.

To each his own.

BTW, do you do any bike riding?

If you got a Kurt Kinetic, it would be interesting to see how fast you go at 75% HRR.

I go along at 19 mph.

If you do, too, then we will know for sure that physiology doesn't have much to do with the differences in our rowing and that the differences in our rowing is due to just that, the quality of our rowing (quickness, leveraging, timing, sequencing, balance, footwork, rhythmicity, consistency, length, coordination, etc.).

If you are not interested in this test of your capacities, either, then, hey, I understand that you would prefer to keep lying to yourself.

Again, this doesn't have anything to do with me, though.

It has to do with you.

To each his own.

ranger

[ranger]

It pains me to say this but he is far more intelligent than most of the followers.

I am not sure why the truth should hurt, but, hey, if you are lying to yourself all day long, I guess it does.

If by "followers," you mean, "internet hecklers, nay-sayers, trolls, etc.," sure, I get what you are saying.

If by "followers," you are referring to rowing, though, as you should be on a training forum for rowing, if what you are talking about has any relevance, that's a different matter.

As far as I can tell, I don't have any "followers" when it comes to my rowing.

What I have done over the last eight years with my training has been unprecedented.

As a result of this training, I now row well (12 SPI) at low drag (108 df.).

No veteran rower has ever come anywhere near rowing well.

They have missed it by seven seconds per 500m in a 2K, 16 _minutes_ in a FM, 3/4 of a mile in an hour row, etc.

To each his own.

You reap what you sow.

As a veteran rower, if you just focus on your fitness and race preparation, as all of the standard training plans for rowing do, you just get worse and worse.

The evidence for this is overwhelming.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

I can't imagine something that is much more skeletal-muscular in focus than rowing.

How is your skeletal-muscular fitness, your full-body power relative to your weight?

Can you do 50 jackknives?

25 extension press ups?

30 pull ups?

Etc.

If not, that might be your problem.

You have the skeletal-muscular capacities of a sedentary old man.

You have lost your youthful full-body power.

I am going to give my old Peinert26 to my second son, Colin, who is 25 years old now.

He can do these skeletal-muscular things (30 pull ups, 50 jackknives, etc.) easily--as I can, too.

ranger

[kini62]

Yes, I do.

50s lwt 6:30, 6:29, 6:28 (2003)

ranger

No you don't.

You HAD 3 very soft WR (however small that world is). You don't anymore.

So for you to say you HAVE 3 WR rows is a lie.

For a supposed professor of linguistics, your grasp or lack thereof of the English language is mind boggling. No wonder the University is kicking you out for a year and then forcing your retirement.

[kini62]

Can you do 50 jackknives?

25 extension press ups?

30 pull ups?

ranger

Why do you ask of others such things you have no hope in this world or the next of ever accomplishing. You're not 30, 40 or even 50 anymore. Those things you did when you were younger you cannot do anymore.

Time and alcohol has not only ravaged your brain but your body as well.

In other words, you post a current video of what you want others to do and then see if anyone meets your challenge. Of course that won't ever happen because you can't do it and you're a liar and a welch.

[ranger]

Mike--

Even OTErg, if you want to row easily, lower the rate, as you do OTW, don't row badly.

If you row badly, especially over long distances, you just train yourself to be bad.

If you want to row easily at 1:54, or whatever, do it at 18 spm, not 26 spm.

Of course, you will need to get the rate up eventually, holding your technique steady, rowing well (13 SPI), but this is the place to start, if you want to get there eventually.

Rowing badly never did anyone any good.

If you row badly, you ignore the major physical demands of good rowing, vis-a-vis most other sports, especially endurance sports, and especially for older athletes, your skeletal-muscular capacities.

If you are really rowing well, that is, efficiently and effectively, at 18 spm, you should be _below_ top-level UT2.

For you, 120 bpm.

If you aren't, you should keep working on technique and your skeletal-muscular capacities (e.g., with work elsewhere, off the erg).

ranger

[ranger]

If you rowing well, taking good, full strokes, rather than just paddling or lily-dipping, I suspect that no one, of whatever weight, wants to do a FM at much more than 24 spm.

Given this, rowing a FM @ 1:48 OTErg is not primarily a physiological problem.

All sorts of people, I suspect, can run their HR at 75% HRR for 2.5 hours, e.g., on a bicycle.

Rowing a FM @ 1:48 OTErg is primarily a technical and skeletal-muscular problem, a problem of how much work you get done per stroke, just stroking along naturally at 24 spm.

No one, I suspect, wants to row a FM at a substantial rate like 24 spm pulling harder that they normally would.

That would be wasted effort.

It would be more efficient just to raise the rate.

But given the task, 2.5 hours of rowing, raising the rate over 24 spm becomes sloppy, wasteful, too hard, etc.

But here is the rub:

For a little lightweight like me, rowing 1:48 @ 24 spm (12 SPI) at 108 df., I need to get just about all of the vertical scale of the screen with my force curve, 135 kgF on every stroke.

So the challenge of rowing a FM @ 1:48 is this:

rowing continuously, easily, and naturally, steady state, like going out for a 50-mile spin on your bike,

for two hours and a half hours,

3648 strokes,

with a peak force on each stroke of 135 kg.F.

Man.

Skeletal-muscularly...

that's choppin' down one _hell_ of a big tree.

That's _really_ diggin' a ditch.

Hi-yo, Silver.

ranger

[ranger]

Of course that won't ever happen because you can't do it

What is the basis of this claim?

_Of course_, I can do it.

My question is: Can you?

ranger

[Bob S.]

Chronically embarrassing are the rants of the King of Hypothesis, yet he can't produce a row which may even go down as a 'null hypothesis'.

Yet, YOU lot still respond which given the years of repetition, ought to be thoroughly embarrassed with the continued rhetoric etc etc.

This is rangers thread, no doubts about that. But to have so many years of BS with arguments which go absolutely no where is shockingly childish in the extreme.

WTF is the point of this thread? Who is R. Cureton anyway? Stop being moronic and kill this thread once and for all. Really folks, you are demeaning all the good posts with this continued crap.

Or are you all just a bunch of idiots sharing the king of idiots forum?

BTW. There is no defence of this thread regardless how you all try to justify it. Grow up people and get real.

Why do you read it? I do because I find it amusing to see how some folks like you seem get so worked up about it.

Although I do consider the possibility that you might just be doing a little leg pulling - which I often suspect is what the thread originator is doing.

Bob S.

[hjs]

Is this not enough for a ban, his true karakter is 100% exposed......

Let me clarify one more of the lingering unchallenged lies that I have read here. In both 2009 and 2010 on a day at the gym with my cycling team when the weather was too crappy to ride outside my mates asked me to show them how to row and race the erg. Basically on a dare I did a 2k with no regular erg training since 2006. In 2009 I put down a 6:52 and last year I put down 6:53. So how does that put the lie to his claim that he has the best times in his age for the last two years? Let me add that i did those rows at altitude. When i was consistently going to Boston (four hammers and a WR in my age group, how many for Rich, oh yeah one hammer and one WR done three times in the same age group, sounds to me like you were sand bagging the first two and still it's just one age group record, anyway I digress) my times from the qualifying races improved by 11-12 seconds when I got to sea level. You do the math. So therein is the lie, and moreover he knows this as I put it up on another thread a few months back and he responded to it so i know he knows. On a tangent last year at Masters Track Nationals I was part of the team that set the National Record in the 60-64 Team Pursuit, I came fourth in the Individual Pursuit and at Masters Road Nationals I was 7th in the Time Trial in my first race at that level. OK I'm done, but I had to set the record straight. So let the slander and lies continue to pour forth from Ann Arbor.

You're the biggest fool I know, Dennis.

And together with Mike Caviston, the worst thing this sport has had to offer.

Head to head, both prepared to race, I whipped your ass, and I suppose you have never forgotten it.

I hope not.

Good luck with it.

You have quit the sport.

Why?

I am now _much_ better than I was in 2003.

My target is now 6:16 at 60.

Like Rocket Roy and Mike VB, even at sea level, you'd now have a problem pulling 6:50.

RANKING RESULTS 2003

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2003 Season

1 Rich Cureton 52 Mi USA 6:30.0 RACE
2 John Harvey 52 Perth WA AUS 6:36.2 IND
3 Roger Prowse 58 Isle of Wight GBR 6:41.9 IND
4 Alain Mangin 54 France FRA 6:43.9 RACE
5 Chris Bertram 50 GBR 6:44.0 RACE
6 Alain MANGIN 55 FRA 6:44.8 RACE
7 Roger Prowse 57 GBR 6:49.3 RACE
8 Jean Paul Tardieu 53 France FRA 6:49.6 RACE
9 Jon Williams 51 Waterbury Center Vermont USA 6:50.1 IND
10 Christopher Eyre 50 GBR 6:50.4 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2004

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2004 Season

1 Rich Cureton 52 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:28.0 RACE
2 Chris Bertram 51 Old Windsor GBR 6:37.7 RACE
3 dennis hastings 53 USA 6:39.5 RACE
4 Roger Prowse 58 Isle of Wight GBR 6:43.3 RACE
5 Taisto Ylönen 50 Kellokoski Finland GBR 6:44.8 RACE
5 Peter ENGLISH 50 GBR 6:44.8 RACE
7 Bob Lisle 52 GBR 6:47.1 RACE
8 Alain Mangin 54 GBR 6:47.5 RACE
9 Aage CHRISTIANSEN 52 Oslo N NOR 6:53.2 RACE
10 George Meredith 54 Gravesend Kent GBR 6:55.7 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 95

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 Oslo NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE
9 Chris Betenson 55 IRL 7:04.8 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 105

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Daniel Devez 56 Port-Marly Rc FRA 7:08.5 RACE

ranger

[ranger]

Can you do 50 jackknives?

25 extension press ups?

30 pull ups?

ranger

Why do you ask of others such things you have no hope in this world or the next of ever accomplishing. You're not 30, 40 or even 50 anymore. Those things you did when you were younger you cannot do anymore.

Time and alcohol has not only ravaged your brain but your body as well.

In other words, you post a current video of what you want others to do and then see if anyone meets your challenge. Of course that won't ever happen because you can't do it and you're a liar and a welch.

O.K.

I just uploaded a video of 50 jackknives.

Dang.

They were easier than I thought.

I could have done 100.

Can anyone out there do 100?

If so, let's see it.

A great demonstration of core quickness, strength, coordination, and endurance.

You know---_rowing_.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZFTd4EPgbM


ranger

[ranger]

Although I do consider the possibility that you might just be doing a little leg pulling - which I often suspect is what the thread originator is doing.

Nope.

I'm dead serious.

You think it's a joke because _you're_ a joke.

You're just talkin' about yourself.

Doesn't have anything to do with me.

ranger

[ranger]

Byron--

I guess it's your turn, no?

You said you were taking up my challenge.

Let's see 50 jackknives.

ranger

[lancs]

You're the biggest fool I know, Dennis.

And together with Mike Caviston, the worst thing this sport has had to offer.

Dennis and Mike must be really hurt with this critisism coming as it does from one of the model ambassadors for the sport...

You are a cretin of the highest order. Bit too much liquor last night Prof?