The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

26 spm in training? I thought it was 30spm forever. 30 spm did not work out so well?

26 spm is for a FM.

That's 155 bpm, a minimin for distance rowing.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

No, I am not going to row a FM at 30 spm and 172 bpm.

That's my target for 30min.

ranger

Ok, then when you say, "no need to row lower than 30spm in training" then, perhaps you should clarify it to mean no need to rate lower than 30 unless you need to row at 155bpm. Your absolute confused me there!

I don't usually row a FM for a session.

I only row half that.

So no need to row at 1:48, FM pace, most of the time.

I still think it is important to row FMs, though, at least from time to time, to put in a baseline for your steady state rowing more generally, and for general conditioning (endurance, habituation, consistency, etc.).

Of course, a FM is also one of the ranked distances, with a history, a set of standards, etc.

So that makes it fun to do, too.

I like to row FM pace for my baseline distance pace, rather than a strict UT2.

I find UT2 too easy.

No need to loaf!

ranger

[ranger]

Rocket Roy did a FM, 1:56 @ 26 spm.

That's 8.8 SPI.

Don't know whether he can still do that, if he were even rowing.

Mike VB doesn't do FMs, but if he did, I assume he would do something similar.

1:48 @ 26 spm is 10.8 SPI.

Same rate, different stroking power.

The difference is 8 seconds per 500m.

Right about 55 watts.

The 60s lwt WR for a FM is right around 2:00 pace, 200 watts--25 watts less that Roy's 1:56, 80 watts less than 1:48.

The difference between 2:00 pace and 1:48 pace is 12 seconds per 500m.

Both Roy's 8.8 SPI and 10.8 SPI are about 1 SPI less than each of us would use, respectively, in a 2K, if we both rated 36 spm, fully trained.

Same rate, different stroking power.

ranger

[becz]

Nice to row on the Huron River when it is high, clean, and clear of vegetation.

Too bad there's still the occasional giant turd thrashing about at this time of year.

[whp4]

Rocket Roy did a FM, 1:56 @ 26 spm.

That's 8.8 SPI.

Don't know whether he can still do that, if he were even rowing.

Well, he did that considerably more recently than any verified FM you've been able to post. You claim to like doing them, to be doing distance rowing now with what you feel is a fine FM stroke, can we count on you doing and logging one for the marathon challenge and season ending today, or are you just blowing more foul-smelling hot air? Learning how to stick to a plan ("I will row and log an IND_V FM by the end of the season") even when you don't feel like it would be good for you, and might help with that pesky handle-down problem of yours.

[ranger]

can we count on you doing and logging one for the marathon challenge and season ending today, or are you just blowing more foul-smelling hot air?

Well, as far as getting anything done right now, I think it's just more foul-smelling hot air.

Training is coming along great, but I haven't been too inspired to do trials.

Perhaps as I distance myself from classes, grading, and other work pressures, I will feel more motivated to race.

Training is coming along great, though.

I feel wonderful, physically.

Best ever.

So I am just trying to stay steady with it, keeping up my distance rowing, pumping the rate up to 32 spm, holding my technique steady.

Now that the weather is nice, I am also eager to spend more and more time OTW.

I would like to do 20K a day OTW, just going along at steady paces, working on technique.

ranger

[ranger]

Here's what happens when you just spout a bunch of hot air, rather than training to race.

You only beat everyone your age and weight by 20 seconds over 2K, rather than 40 seconds.

C'est dommage, n'est-ce pas?

Makes me all weepy with regret and chagrin.



RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE

ranger

[JimR]

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE

Could you do one of these ranking postings for any distance other than the 2K and show how you are first as well???

JimR

[johnlvs2run]

You claim to like doing them, to be doing distance rowing now with what you feel is a fine FM stroke, can we count on you doing and logging one for the marathon challenge and season ending today, or are you just blowing more foul-smelling hot air? Learning how to stick to a plan ("I will row and log an IND_V FM by the end of the season") even when you don't feel like it would be good for you, and might help with that pesky handle-down problem of yours.

You nay-sayers are going to be proven wrong, as of today, the end of the ranking season.

[ranger]

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE

Could you do one of these ranking postings for any distance other than the 2K and show how you are first as well???

JimR

If you are five seconds over 2K better than anyone your age and weight, without even preparing for it, you are in the range of ten seconds per 500m better than anyone your age and weight at the other distances, if you are fully trained up for them.

When I am fully trained up for them, and therefore eager to race, I'll demonstrate this, not at one distance, by at _all_ of them.

Then I will sharpen and demonstrate that I am ten seconds per 500m better than anyone my age and weight over 2K, too.

When you are fully trained up for both, the distance races and 2K are related by formula.

FM is done at 2K + 14.
HM is done at 2K +11
60min is done at 2K + 10
10K is done at 2K + 8
30min is done at 2K + 7
6K is done at 2K + 6
5K is done at 2K + 5.

When I am fully trained up for them both, if I can do a FM @ 1:48/2:32, I can do a 2K @ 1:34/6:16.

ranger

[becz]

Here's what happens when you just spout a bunch of hot air, rather than training to race.

You only beat everyone your age and weight by 20 seconds over 2K, rather than 40 seconds.

C'est dommage, n'est-ce pas?

Makes me all weepy with regret and chagrin.



RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE

ranger

You're so full of sh!t it's unbelievable. How is someone aged 70 (the top end of your custom range ) the same "age and weight" as you?

[aharmer]

Yet when he compares the 54 year old Nav to his peers, he sorts the 50-54 year olds. What a f****g fraud. He'll now claim to be posting distance trials over the next couple months...then this fall...anything necessary to desperately hang on to any last bit of attention he can get. You're done Rich. There are about 10 people in the world that care who the 60+ lightweight erg world record holder is, and they're all so sick of you they don't care either. Have fun responding to yourself from now on.

[mrfit]

Signing off now.

Just for the record though:

There are 0 days left
49 days down
0 pieces ranked

[JimR]

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE

Could you do one of these ranking postings for any distance other than the 2K and show how you are first as well???

JimR

If you are five seconds over 2K better than anyone your age and weight, without even preparing for it, you are in the range of ten seconds per 500m better than anyone your age and weight at the other distances, if you are fully trained up for them.

When I am fully trained up for them, and therefore eager to race, I'll demonstrate this, not at one distance, by at _all_ of them.

Then I will sharpen and demonstrate that I am ten seconds per 500m better than anyone my age and weight over 2K, too.

When you are fully trained up for both, the distance races and 2K are related by formula.

FM is done at 2K + 14.
HM is done at 2K +11
60min is done at 2K + 10
10K is done at 2K + 8
30min is done at 2K + 7
6K is done at 2K + 6
5K is done at 2K + 5.

When I am fully trained up for them both, if I can do a FM @ 1:48/2:32, I can do a 2K @ 1:34/6:16.

ranger

So that would be no?!

And at the end of the 2010 racing season, the one where you set the records for every single distance ... we are left with you telling us "you just don't feel like it"???

I thought your training never left you stale ... this sounds like stale ... or unprepared.

SO ... can you start telling us what the fall will be like??? I like the fall ... full of hope and promise. Lancs likes the fall too I think!
JimR

[JimR]

Signing off now.

Just for the record though:

There are 0 days left
49 days down
0 pieces ranked

How can you say zero days left ... as long as the heart is willing and there are seconds on the clock there is the possibility of sweet success proving the nay-sayers wrong!!!

JimR

[ranger]

Have fun responding to yourself from now on.

From now on?

I have been responding to myself all along, if you didn't notice.

Not many here interested in training, so what _can_ I do?

ranger