The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Not surprising given the amount of hot air you generate

Sure.

And this:

The best 2K for my age and weight by a _huge_ margin, what amounts to WR pace--this year, as last, without even hard distance rowing, distance trials, or sharpening to prepare for it.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (58–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
3 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
4 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
5 Gregory Brock 62 Santa Cruz CA USA 7:03.9 IND
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
7 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
7 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
9 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
10 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
11 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE

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[snowleopard]

what amounts to WR pace

6:41 and change does not 'amount' to WR pace

[ranger]

what amounts to WR pace

6:41 and change does not 'amount' to WR pace

Yep, it does.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

At the satellite events for in January 2011, and then for WIRC 2011 in February, about 9 months from now, I will be 60.

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[ranger]

Given my better length at a lower drag (135 df.), I now get a _very_ relaxed stroke, 1:37 @ 32 spm (12 SPI).

This is that AT pace and rate I was searching for 2K this winter but was missing, perhaps because I was rowing too short at high drag, perhaps because I had not yet done hard distance rowing and distance trials.

Before the fall, I will want to repeat 2Ks in training at 32 spm.

32 spm is 5K/6K rate.

ranger

[snowleopard]

what amounts to WR pace

6:41 and change does not 'amount' to WR pace

Yep, it does.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

At the satellite events for in January 2011, and then for WIRC 2011 in February, about 9 months from now, I will be 60.

Ah, sorry for misunderstanding your falsehood. I though you were referring to the current season. You know, the one with a couple of weeks left where you will be setting new WRs at all distances.

Next season is in the future; you aren't.

[ranger]

Next season is in the future; you aren't.

Good training is always future-oriented.

That you don't think so helps explain why you can't row worth a damn.

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[ranger]

WR pace floats along with the age of the rower.

Because of the steady decline with age, all veteran WRs have been set when the rower just enters the age category.

I am now 59.25 years old, 4.25 years from from 55s WR, .75 years from the 60s WR.

Roy Brook, the 55s lwt WR holder, rowed 6:38 when he was 55 several years ago, and even so, only once.

Most of the time, he rowed in the middle 6:40s.

At 60, he will have trouble rowing 6:50.

My 2K times are going the other way.

As I get more fully trained, sub-6:30, I think, will come along very quickly and naturally.

Then I will push that down to sub-6:20.

ranger

[PaulH]

If you train well, there is really nothing to be learned about racing on the erg.

You just hold a steady pace and pull.

And yet you've struggled with this apparently simple thing this season, varying pace wildly and handling down. The logical conclusion, then, is that you haven't trained well. That's quite an admission, 4 days away from setting a new WR.

[ranger]

At the moment, the best 60s lwts pull about 9 SPI for 2K, if that.

9 SPI @ 36 spm is 1:42.5/6:50.

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[ranger]

The logical conclusion, then, is that you haven't trained well

Logical to whom?

I haven't been training to race.

I am doing distance rowing.

I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

I suspect the 2Ks that I rowed this winter were AT, at best.

An AT of 1:40 predicts a 6:24 2K.

For a 60s lwt, this is training pretty well, no?

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

6:24 is the 60s _heavyweight_ WR.

ranger

[mikvan52]

On the erg, there are no wakes, no spray, no wet, no wind, no cold, no current, no turns, no bridges, no bladework, no passing, no trailing, no rigging, no balancing, no steering, no problems with seeing, etc.

IOW: no rowing

Still going to buy a $7000.00 boat to do something you don't seem to relish?

BTW: "This is and erging forum." Please take your OTW stuff to the appropriate place.

[snowleopard]

Next season is in the future; you aren't.

Good training is always future-oriented.

That you don't think so helps explain why you can't row worth a damn.

You were talking about racing, not training.

BTW, you have absolutely no idea how I row

Roy Brook, the 55s lwt WR holder, rowed 6:38 when he was 55 several years ago, and even so, only once.

Your point being? As a lwt, you have not rowed faster aged 54, 55, 56, 57, 58 or 59. All you can think about is a soft WR 12 months away in an even more insignificant division of a minority sport

[mikvan52]

Next season is in the future; you aren't.

Good training is always future-oriented.

That you don't think so helps explain why you can't row worth a damn.

You were talking about racing, not training.

BTW, you have absolutely now idea how I row

Let's keep it civil, children

ranger can't keep his terminology straight. When he says "row" he means erg.
When he says "worth" he's referring to erging alone with no one watching so he can characterize his activity any way he wants. This imaginary "worth" relies on his secrecy.. it's imaginary like his UT1 -UT2 classifications...

Where's any hour piece, Rich, with splits and HR? Oh, that's right, that not what you call "worth".
Can't post a training piece until you're fully trained... Yes, we know you well.

[snowleopard]

Let's keep it civil, children

[ranger]

he's referring to erging alone with no one watching

Nope, not at all.

I will continue to race in public, at race venues, as much as possible, as I did this year and last.

In public, with everyone watching, I am rowing WR pace, without even preparing for it.

Even without preparing for it, my 2K times are over 20 seconds better than anyone my age and weight (or older).

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE

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