The Two Types of Training

[Byron Drachman]

And, just maybe he is planning to pay his debts.

Do you have any evidence of a debt?

Hi John,

First of all, how is the running going? I had to back off a little on the ab-wheel. I'm only doing ten or twenty a day. I seem to have the strength to do lots of them but I was getting soreness at the shoulders. Maybe I have to go slowly until the ligaments get used to it.

The bet occurred at the UK forum so you might have missed it. The original bet was that if Ranger could perform one of his stated goals by April 30, 2009 at a race or at home with code verification then Henry would pay him $3000. However the other part of the bet was that Ranger had to do a 2K at below 6:40 before April 30, 2009 at midnight and if he couldn't do that then he would have to pay Henry $1000. Ranger got close but couldn't manage lower than 6:41. After Ranger lost the bet Henry demanded payment.Henry said that he would extend the deadline for Ranger meeting his stated goals (6:16 2K, FM@1:48, etc.) as a lightweight forever but in the meantime he wanted his $1000. Here are some of the posting from the UK forum:

Apr 02, 2009 Byron Drachman wrote:Then you will have no problem sending Henry a check for $1000 unless you verify your weight as a lightweight in a manner suitable to Henry and post a sub 6:40 2K with verification code before the end of this month.

Indeed I will.
Just as he will have no problem sending me $3000 when I win both the bets.
We are upstanding folks.
We pay our bets, if we lose.

April 30, 2009:
Yea, time has run out.
Oh well.
Don't much feel like doing a 2K, given that I still haven't sharpened for one.
2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.
Hey, hjs, any possibility of modifying our $1000 bet along the lines of our $3000 bet?
A time extension would be _greatly_ appreciated.
That might be a squarer deal, given my situation (unprepared!).
I need to get sharpened up if I want to be doing 2Ks without a lot of grief.
Training is coming along great--but slowly.
Too slowly, it appears.
One last cry for mercy!

April 30, 2009: No one has to pay anyone anytthing until 11:59 p.m. Central Time, the end of my April.
It's only 9:45 A.M. right now.

April 30, 2009: hjs is an ogre
no sympathy
no heart

May 5, 2009: I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.

Feb 17, 2010: Hey, Henry. I will send you the $1000 I owe you from the prize money I will win from the Chicago organizers when I break the 55s lwt WR this weekend in Cleveland.--snip--

Feb 17, 2010:
ranger wrote:
Hey, Henry.
I will send you the $1000 I owe you from the prize money I will win from the Chicago organizers when I break the 55s lwt WR this weekend in Cleveland.
I won't receive the money until March, though.
Of course, given that I am sending you the $1000 for the part of the bet that I lost last year, if I reach one of my targets this year, you will owe me a full $3000 in return.
As it looks now, I think I will reach _all_ of my targets, not just one, or a few.
Wish me luck!
ranger
The bet was clear Rich.

Last was year was about that 1000$, if you rowed any of your stated goals, I would have lost and you had won the double amount, If you broke a lightweight 6.40 but stayed above your own 2k goal it was a breakeven.
That was the 6.16/6.40 zone
The result was close but also clear 6.41, so I won, you owe me that 1000 $, Chicago has nothing to do with it.............
See: http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9742&start=0
The other bet was not a bet, but more a promise from my side and it was not about this year, but I gave you the change to row any of your stated goals in your profile, at any point in your life, the ones pointing to a 6.16 2k.
No time restictions.
clear proof of your weight status.
and clear proof of the row.
So the situation is clear, you owe me that 1000 dollar, but after you have settled that bet, you can win that back 3 fold.
Good luck with your row, the WR is possible for you, but it is also still far from your goals. Those are without a doubt unreachable. And not only for you but for every man your size and age.
So if you choose to pay your debt PM me.

[JohnBove]

With some of the money that I am inheriting from my mother, I'll be buying a new FluidDesign "el".

My Peinert is pretty old and beaten up now.

I'll give it to my second son, Colin, who is interested in rowing, and leave it up at my cottage for the time being.

And of course not make a present to your son of a new boat, especially since this is inherited money. Me first. You self-adoring douchebag.

[ranger]

And of course not make a present to your son of a new boat, especially since this is inherited money. Me first. You self-adoring douchebag.

All of my mother's five grandchildren are inheriting substantial money, too, enough to use to buy multiple boats, if Colin wants to.

If I give me my Peinert, though, he won't have to spend his money on something so inessential.

Beside buying a toy or two and some necessities (like a new car), my wife and I will use every cent of the rest of the money to pay down the debts we built up financing college educations for our three children, two of whom went to private school.

Yes, parents live an indulgent, self-centered existence that has nothing to do with giving and sharing.

Don't you think?

ranger

[heptasyllabic]

I'll give it to my second son, Colin, who is interested in rowing, and leave it up at my cottage for the time being.

And of course not make a present to your son of a new boat, especially since this is inherited money. Me first. You self-adoring douchebag.

So, ranger is undoubtedly somewhat crazy, but it makes no sense to give a new boat to someone who doesn't know how to row. It does make sense to give them a perfectly good used boat to learn in.

[whp4]

I give me

That says it all!

[johnlvs2run]

First of all, how is the running going? I had to back off a little on the ab-wheel. I'm only doing ten or twenty a day. I seem to have the strength to do lots of them but I was getting soreness at the shoulders. Maybe I have to go slowly until the ligaments get used to it.

Hi Byron,

My running is coming along well, thanks for asking.

The internet postings are interesting. What I'm wondering is if there was a written agreement signed by each party.
I believe, at least in California, that agreements must be in writing, otherwise they are not binding. Also there are other requirements besides that, for example the agreement must be legal.

I've been doing standing presses the last couple of weeks. I have started with a reasonable weight and am doing singles a number of times through the day, in addition to my running.

[Byron Drachman]

Hi John,
Standing presses sounds like a good idea. It's always good to vary the exercises, don't you think?
Byron

[mrfit]

Sorry to take a little while to get back to the scientists.

Here's a rated X version of the data collected. They are plotted on an X Y scatter graph in Excel after I downloaded the powerfile into Excel.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6049 ... hrplot.jpg


The sample rate is 1.26 seconds. I did not plot the first 6 minutes since my HR was not at speed yet.

PM me if you want the spreadsheet.

As you can see, raw power data in real world cycling are fairly volatile. Smoothing the data is almost always necessary to see anything.

Again, this is NOT my threshold HR.

[Nosmo]

The internet postings are interesting. What I'm wondering is if there was a written agreement signed by each party. I believe, at least in California, that agreements must be in writing, otherwise they are not binding. Also there are other requirements besides that, for example the agreement must be legal.

Don't think anyone is claiming this is a legally binding agreement. It wouldn't be worth Henry pursing it even if it were.
Years ago, when I was just out of college, I ran into some problems and borrowed $1500 from a friend. (I'm sure I could have hit my parents up for it but I didn't). I put a way $10 here, and $20 there, and paid it off in $300-$500 chunks. Within a 16 months I had it paid off despite being unemployed for a substantial amount of time. This is what honest people do. They don't use the excuse that their wife won't let them (as he did). Ranger could have easily paid it off by now and I really doubt he would have even noticed.

[ranger]

Mike--

How are you going to do the Head of the Charles at all if you have lost your ability to do 5K?

Can you no longer do it?

According to the rankings, you haven't done any 5Ks at all this year.

That' must be really disappointing to you, given all the time you have spent preparing to do well on the Charles in the fall.

What happened?

ranger

[ranger]

Again, I don't think the bet between Henry and me about my rowing should cause so much worry.

When Henry loses the bet, he'll pay up.

He is an honest fellow.

The $2000 I will get from him will be useful.

I can outfit my new FluidDesign 1x.

Some new oars, maybe?

A new rack for my car?

A new cover and slings?

Hey, it will probably even cover the costs of my trip out East to row with Mike.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

When Henry loses the bet, he'll pay up.
He is an honest fellow.

With the exception of your foray into anti-semitism, this is truly your most repulsive posting.

[johnlvs2run]

Hi John,
Standing presses sounds like a good idea. It's always good to vary the exercises, don't you think?
Byron

Why?

Yes, I do think.

[johnlvs2run]

When Henry loses the bet, he'll pay up.
He is an honest fellow.

With the exception of your foray into anti-semitism, this is truly your most repulsive posting.

According to Bove, some of my postings have been even more repulsive!

[johnlvs2run]

Within a 16 months I had it paid off despite being unemployed for a substantial amount of time. This is what honest people do. They don't use the excuse that their wife won't let them (as he did). Ranger could have easily paid it off by now and I really doubt he would have even noticed.

You are quite an exceptional fellow.

However, Rich did not borrow any money. He was bantering on a message board and many people said many things. In fact I recall Henry making bets with Rich where there was no time limit involved, which means Rich would have the rest of his life, or even all of eternity, to fulfill his side of the bet, but if he completed the condition would "win" the prize immediately. That is my recollection of the bet, or at least one of the bets. Anyway I think it is strange that anyone would get so heated about internet bantering which is rather meaningless.

There have been people who have borrowed things from me and promptly disappeared. It is the rare occasion when someone does return what they've borrowed. Thus I figure that if/when I load someone something, it is gone, and therefore if I wish to give something to someone then I do, but I do not loan anyone anything.