the feet

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Post by Ben Rea » March 22nd, 2006, 7:39 am

hahaha, nonononno. you forgot to read the title buddy, its called, the feet not what you're thinking of! :shock: [/i]

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flat shoes?

Post by jagmanvdp » March 22nd, 2006, 12:10 pm

I would not suggest removing arch supports from shoes. As someone who has to wear orthotics due to high arches, I can tell you that I get sore or cramped feet when I DON'T wear my orthotics. Those arch supports are important for proper foot support. There is less stress on the feet when rowing, cause you don't have the weight of your body bearing down on them, but they still need suport to flex and push off when rowing.

I also find I get cramps as I tend to curl my toes back a bit when I am going through the motion as your body returns towards the flywheel. If I concentrate on limitng that toe curl, I get less cramping. Perhaps thats what they are doing.????

Just some ideas from personal experience.....I am not a doctor..but I do play one with my wife sometimes...*wink*

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Post by Porkchop » March 22nd, 2006, 5:39 pm

danwho wrote:
Ben Rea wrote:push from the balls? i dont see how thats possible
csabour wrote:I know what you are talking about, and it hurts like hell...
Am I reading what I think I'm reading? :lol:
It sounds very awkward, as well as painful. But for those capable of doing it, more power to you. :wink:
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Re: flat shoes?

Post by Ben Rea » March 22nd, 2006, 5:42 pm

jagmanvdp wrote:I would not suggest removing arch supports from shoes. As someone who has to wear orthotics due to high arches, I can tell you that I get sore or cramped feet when I DON'T wear my orthotics. Those arch supports are important for proper foot support. There is less stress on the feet when rowing, cause you don't have the weight of your body bearing down on them, but they still need suport to flex and push off when rowing.

I also find I get cramps as I tend to curl my toes back a bit when I am going through the motion as your body returns towards the flywheel. If I concentrate on limitng that toe curl, I get less cramping. Perhaps thats what they are doing.????

Just some ideas from personal experience.....I am not a doctor..but I do play one with my wife sometimes...*wink*

Darren
so your saying, if you have high arches, then you should wear running shoes or other shoes that have curved insides?

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Re: flat shoes?

Post by johnlvs2run » March 22nd, 2006, 6:47 pm

Ben Rea wrote:so your saying, if you have high arches, then you should wear running shoes or other shoes that have curved insides?
He's saying that he has problems, because he wears improper shoes.

Are the insoles flat in your skateboarding shoes?

If not, then that is the problem,

More than 95+ of shoes are more narrow than the width of the foot, have arch protrusions in them, and/or have deep holes under the balls of the feet.

Narrow shoes result in your feet being cramped. Arch protrusions and deep holes result in you rowing or running off the muscles across and under the midsole of your feet. No wonder anyone would get cramps. It's a wonder anyone could even walk after wearing such shoes!
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Re: flat shoes?

Post by csabour » March 24th, 2006, 5:23 pm

John Rupp wrote:
Ben Rea wrote: Narrow shoes result in your feet being cramped. Arch protrusions and deep holes result in you rowing or running off the muscles across and under the midsole of your feet. No wonder anyone would get cramps. It's a wonder anyone could even walk after wearing such shoes!
no john, imagine wearing these.

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I used to row with skateboard shoes, and i know alot of people who still do..

they are perfectly fine, nice and loose and flat soles will give you good compression. Better than running shoes i think.

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Post by Ben Rea » March 26th, 2006, 5:15 pm

i think that heal would have to hang of the edge, is it even possible to get ur foot in the straos with those on?

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Post by eyespliced » March 26th, 2006, 5:40 pm

i did a 2k once in my running shoes... never did it again (i got heel blisters and my foot hurt like hell) now i stick to my asics wrestling shoes (flat and flexible as hell)

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Post by mbrairton » March 27th, 2006, 1:23 pm

I wear running shoes on the erg daily-the only time I have ever had a problem with foot cramping is when I had the straps too tight. This was actually a good thing because it taught me the benefits of learning to go strapless.

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Post by Ben Rea » March 27th, 2006, 3:18 pm

there are no benefits to going strapless, all it does is make your times worse and make you fall of the seat.

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Post by DavidA » March 27th, 2006, 3:52 pm

Ben,
I think that you will find that there are a number of people here who won't agree with you in regards to going strapless. Many people train strapless, and have improved their techniques and times, by doing so.

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Post by mbrairton » March 28th, 2006, 9:02 am

Ben Rea wrote:there are no benefits to going strapless, all it does is make your times worse and make you fall of the seat.
I don't fall off the seat when I am rowing strapless-I guess I must be doing something wrong. :wink:
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Post by Ben Rea » March 28th, 2006, 3:29 pm

or doing everything right! :wink:

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