What is needed for sub 6??

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first ergo

Post by mag » January 4th, 2007, 3:11 pm

Trully the first time Hurnet Dekkers (a Dutch rower) sat on the ergo, she pulled 7.05. Some rowers saw here sitting and encouraged here. Pretty fast considering she is a girl (later on she managed to pull 6.35 and she is an impressive 6ft. 3).

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Post by LateinEarlyOut » January 4th, 2007, 8:07 pm

Back to the original question. Can a 6ft guy pull a 6min 2k?

The answer is yes. His name is Jason Read. Rowed the bow seat in the US eight in 2004. He is about 6ft, 185lbs. Pulled 5:59 and change when I talked to Teti about it. As Teti said, "Jason was packing some serious heat at 185lbs and sub six."

This erg score makes alot of sense considering what some of the lwt have done who are a similar size to Jason. Colon Groom is 6'1 and pulled 6:04 as a lwt, then he put on 20-25 of muscle. He then pulled 5:56. I bet if Elia gained 20-30lbs of muscle he would be sub-six as well.

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Post by mag » January 6th, 2007, 4:28 am

I agree that it is possible. But both Read and Luini are still both 6tf1. So far we haven't found anybody who is able to sub 6 and is under 6ft.

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sub-6 min for a sub-6' guy

Post by Orc » January 8th, 2007, 4:10 pm

jbell-

I don't think anyone is saying sub-6 min is impossible. but, it will be a very rare 6 ft guy who can do it.

If you look at the national team test results from last year, I dont think you'll find anyone 6 ft or below with a sub 6 min. erg.

since the best lwts in the world are about 6 ft and they haven't broken 6 minutes yet, you'd have to be able to beat the very fastest guys of the same height. extra muscle or not, that would be a major accomplishment.

- there's a big difference between 6:04 and sub-6 for someone around 6 ft...


-m

LateinEarlyOut wrote:Back to the original question. Can a 6ft guy pull a 6min 2k?

The answer is yes. His name is Jason Read. Rowed the bow seat in the US eight in 2004. He is about 6ft, 185lbs. Pulled 5:59 and change when I talked to Teti about it. As Teti said, "Jason was packing some serious heat at 185lbs and sub six."

This erg score makes alot of sense considering what some of the lwt have done who are a similar size to Jason. Colon Groom is 6'1 and pulled 6:04 as a lwt, then he put on 20-25 of muscle. He then pulled 5:56. I bet if Elia gained 20-30lbs of muscle he would be sub-six as well.

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Post by PaulS » January 8th, 2007, 4:50 pm

LateinEarlyOut wrote:Back to the original question. Can a 6ft guy pull a 6min 2k?

The answer is yes. His name is Jason Read. Rowed the bow seat in the US eight in 2004. He is about 6ft, 185lbs. Pulled 5:59 and change when I talked to Teti about it. As Teti said, "Jason was packing some serious heat at 185lbs and sub six."

This erg score makes alot of sense considering what some of the lwt have done who are a similar size to Jason. Conal Groom is 6'1 and pulled 6:04 as a lwt, then he put on 20-25 of muscle. He then pulled 5:56. I bet if Elia gained 20-30lbs of muscle he would be sub-six as well.
Funny, Jasons Bio lists him as being:
Height 213 cm - 7 ft inch :shock:
Weight 82 kg - 180 Lbs

And BTW, that's Conal Groom. B)

As far as I know, we're still waiting for the Sub 6' Sub-6min 2k (AKA - "Sub6^2")
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Post by Bob S. » January 8th, 2007, 5:03 pm

PaulS wrote: As far as I know, we're still waiting for the Sub 6' Sub-6min 2k (AKA - "Sub6^2")
It ain't gonna be me.

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Post by Orc » January 8th, 2007, 5:32 pm

glancing though some old US team testing results, I find:

April, 2004: Andrew Brennan 5:57.9 6'0" 185 lbs
March 2003 Andrew Brennan 5:57.3
April 2003 Andrew Brennan 5:55.6

I can't say I looked at every testing page since 2002-2003, but he's the only guy I found.

Impressive! 5:55 at 6 ft...

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LateinEarlyOut wrote:Back to the original question.
And BTW, that's Conal Groom. B)

As far as I know, we're still waiting for the Sub 6' Sub-6min 2k (AKA - "Sub6^2")

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Post by citiusaltiusfortius9 » January 9th, 2007, 12:35 am

Jbell, another thing to consider is that rowing is a sport when you tend to peak older. You are 16 and a jr. now, so you'll probably be 22? when you graduate? Our sport has a whold seperate u23 category, most elite rowers are older. Another thing is they say 10 years into training is when you peak. YOu started at 14? That is the best age to start because your training time peak corresponds with a good age. Not saying that you can't get better after 10 years but that is supposed to be the ideal. As have been discussed tehre are many many who have hopped onto an erg or inot a boat and been naturals. Anyway it is definatly possible but it'll take a hell of a lot. Don't burn out now though.
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Post by hjs » January 9th, 2007, 6:10 am

citiusaltiusfortius9 wrote:Jbell, another thing to consider is that rowing is a sport when you tend to peak older. You are 16 and a jr. now, so you'll probably be 22? when you graduate? Our sport has a whold seperate u23 category, most elite rowers are older. Another thing is they say 10 years into training is when you peak. YOu started at 14? That is the best age to start because your training time peak corresponds with a good age. Not saying that you can't get better after 10 years but that is supposed to be the ideal. As have been discussed tehre are many many who have hopped onto an erg or inot a boat and been naturals. Anyway it is definatly possible but it'll take a hell of a lot. Don't burn out now though.
Although in many endurance sport the best athletes tend to be older this is certainly not always the case. Look who who was the fasters erger last year, that young German.

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Post by jbell » February 4th, 2007, 8:42 pm

Looks like I wasn't the only one intersted in this:
http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... ik&start=0
PB's:
500: 1:39
2k: 6:43.3
6k: 21:44.1

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Re: What is needed for sub 6??

Post by ergogenic » February 5th, 2007, 11:34 am

jbell wrote:Well, I am not in the near future trying to go sub 6, but maybe in senior year in college. That got me thinking: What is needed for sub 6? What I mean is, could someone my height (6ft) get sub 6 with LOTS and LOTS of work? We have a sophmore on our crew team who is 6'6" and he plans on breaking 6min his senior year at high school.
jbell I would like to share some insight regarding your question but I was wondering you can tell me:

When did you row your 2k in 6:53?

What does your typical training week look like right now?

How is your training year organized. What major competitions do you peak for during your Collegiate, Club and Indoor "seasons", i.e. when do you consider to be your "on-season", "off-season"? or in other words how have you periodized your training year?

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Post by jbell » February 5th, 2007, 8:51 pm

I pulled 6:53 a couple weeks ago (I think 2 or 3) and am doing another one this Friday. Going for sub 6:50. I row close to every day according to what workouts are recommended by our coach. On seasons for me are Fall, Winter and Spring, and summer has always been a kind of off season. Freshmen to sophomore was very little rowing and sophomore to junior year I logged 100K+ meters.
PB's:
500: 1:39
2k: 6:43.3
6k: 21:44.1

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