Dragfactor

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » November 6th, 2005, 6:47 am

Hello,<br /><br />Since a little month ago I am training again quit fermly on the erg. Some 4/5 years ago I had to stop due to backproblems. My pb's were 614,7 2 k and 30 min 8712 to give an example.<br />My goal for this season is to pick up my training and see how far I can come in march. Does this go well than I will think off doing some races next year.<br /><br />In those days I was used to row with high resistance. level 6/8 I even rowed a 2k in 6.19 with the slide on 10. In those days I never looked at the dragfactor.<br /><br />Nowedays I row with the slide on 2/3 and a dragfactor of 75/90. This seems to be a bit light. Or isn't it? <br />I am 38 years of age now 1.86 (6.1) and 97 kg(215).<br /><br />My question here is : At what dragfactor do you row and why. <br /><br />thanks <br /><br />henry

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 6th, 2005, 10:20 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Nov 6 2005, 02:47 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My question here is : At what dragfactor do you row and why. <br /><br />thanks <br /><br />henry <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />DF generally in the 105 range, On Slides. A bit higher is still plenty comfortable, but since I use the Erg only as a means of improving boat performance, the 105 helps to enforce the quick reflexes required when on the water. The trade off that I have found is that when moving into the boat the stroke time becomes significantly longer, this could be simulated on the Erg by raising the DF, but then the likelihood of becoming sluggish increases. Perhaps Alternating the DF to mimic the Boat Drive time once a week would be useful (haven't tried that on any regular basis), or just getting out in the boat in conjunction with Erg training so that both skills are maintained.<br /><br />I'll have most of the rowers I train work in the 110-115 range, as that is generally a lot lower than they are used to in the beginning and difficult enough. As their technique improves they can move it down and continue to work on maintaining the same paces. (Strapless, and 10m Per Stroke [S10PS], of course.) <br /><br />I've looked at using quite low DF's (<90), and haven't found them particularly useful for everyday training. They certainly can be fun in doing variable DF intervals though, nothing like going from a DF200 300M sprint to a DF100 and seeing how very different the two are.

[old] neilb · Post by **[old] neilb** » November 6th, 2005, 3:27 pm

Henry,<br /><br />For what it is worth, and probably not a lot, I use 120 for all my training. I think I started at about 140 but dropped it down quite quickly.<br /><br />I am same height as you although a bit lighter and older. I have tended to favour the longer endurance work and so 120 seems to suit this quite well as I can use a nice long steady stroke and concentarte on technique. It also seems to translate reasonably well onto the water but I am still very much a novice there.<br /><br />I am at BIRC for the first time this year and afterwards I may start to play around with df a bit but if I do it will probably to move it no more than say 10 either way and see what happens.<br /><br />Neil <br /><br />

[old] tomhz · Post by **[old] tomhz** » November 6th, 2005, 5:20 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Nov 6 2005, 10:47 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />My question here is : At what dragfactor do you row and why. <br /><br />thanks <br /><br />henry <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />DF 105. This is my 5th year of erging. I have used 120-125 in the first 4 years and switched to lower DF about 10 months ago, without negative effects on my results.<br /><br />Tom

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 6th, 2005, 6:38 pm

I usually have the drag factor set in the range of 65 to 100.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 7th, 2005, 5:36 am

What caused your back problems?

[old] jamesg · Post by **[old] jamesg** » November 7th, 2005, 6:10 am

130-140, because any lower and it takes me too long to catch up with the flywheel so I lose length, any higher makes me tired before time. It's also quite like a 1x, tho' maybe mine is geared too high. Must saw some chunks off the blades.<br />

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » November 7th, 2005, 6:53 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 7 2005, 10:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What caused your back problems? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Thomas,<br /><br />My problems were caused by a fall in my youth. I broke a bone in my lower back.<br />After that my back has always been my weak spot. Between the age off 15/26 I did track and field. My back made my stop that. After that I did fitness only.<br />In the gym were I worked out stood a few concepts and some friends of mine rowed in a little competition. I tried it once too, and rowed 6.39 on the 2 k with no row training at all. In those day's I had a lot of power. During the 2 years after, I did train 3/4 times /week and lowered my 2 k time rapidly to 6.20 with a besttime off 6.14.7<br />But my back still wasn't ok and I made the dissicion to get backsurgery. This was 4 years ago by now. This didn't help but I started to row again. <br />I row with a low dragfactor to spare my back. My main goal for now is to get my longer distances on a higer level. <br /><br />greatings henry<br /><br /><br />ps thanks for the reply's

[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » November 7th, 2005, 3:05 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It's also quite like a 1x, tho' maybe mine is geared too high. Must saw some chunks off the blades. </td></tr></table> <br /><br />Or increase the inboard. <br /><br />Byron<br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 7th, 2005, 3:27 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jamesg @ Nov 7 2005, 02:10 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>130-140, because any lower and it takes me too long to catch up with the flywheel so I lose length, any higher makes me tired before time. It's also quite like a 1x, tho' maybe mine is geared too high. Must saw some chunks off the blades. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'd suggest sticking with the lower DF in an attempt to increase your quickness. The transition to a boat is almost always going to make for an increase in Drive Length (time) due to the Chain Vs Shaft behavior. It's just something we have to deal with due to the limitations of the C2 system. Going back and forth regularly helps to keep both adaptations working together. Try to become sensitive to the pressure on the handle and remember to stay patient at the finish when in the boat, there is flex in the shaft that needs to be released during the last part of the drive (arm draw) that we get no sense of on the Erg, though the Erg can help with the sense of handle pressure ceasing at the finish, signalling the time to release and recover, not by hand location, but by handle pressure.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 7th, 2005, 4:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I row with a low dragfactor to spare my back. </td></tr></table><br />I would not increase the drag.

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » November 7th, 2005, 4:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 7 2005, 09:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I row with a low dragfactor to spare my back. </td></tr></table><br />I would not increase the drag. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I am not planning to do so now. <br />But one problem with rowing with a low drag factor for a not so tall rower , 1.86 m is the max speed you can achief, By no means it's possible for me get my old max speed back. With a high drag. I could max about 1.15 , now I don't even try but 1.25 sounds hard with a drag. off 85.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 7th, 2005, 10:11 pm

What drag were you using before?<br /><br />I just recently started training with a drag of 150. I was using 138 and had gone down to 120 some time in the summer months. I found that I rowed a 1-hour personal best with the 120 drag but did not fair as well with shorter sessions.

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » November 8th, 2005, 5:05 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 8 2005, 03:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What drag were you using before?<br /><br />I just recently started training with a drag of 150. I was using 138 and had gone down to 120 some time in the summer months. I found that I rowed a 1-hour personal best with the 120 drag but did not fair as well with shorter sessions. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I never looked at that in those days, but shorter distance's 300/1000 I used 8/10 for the slide. At the moment I don't do short/fast training.<br />For the longen distances I have no problem at with this low dragfactor of mine. It feels easy, I don,t have to pull hard at the beginning en can increase my speed during the whole stroke.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 8th, 2005, 3:52 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Nov 8 2005, 01:05 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>For the longen distances I have no problem at with this low dragfactor of mine. It feels easy, I don,t have to pull hard at the beginning en can increase my speed during the whole stroke.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />I find the same thing.<br />

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