Ranger's training thread

[Bob S.]

I'm confused, because he's also registered at the Hammer Ergatta (2/13) in University Heights OH to race under the Cleveland Rowing Foundation at 2:15pm in the Mens Veteran Masters B (60+)
https://www.regattacentral.com/regatta/ ... 4&org_id=0

Note that he was down for HWT in that event. There did not appear to be any MLWT60+ entries.

Is it possible that he intended to do both? Did he go to the Hammer after skipping the regular Cincinnati? The Cincy race was the more important, since it was a satellite regatta.

Bob S.

[mikvan52]

I'm confused, because he's also registered at the Hammer Ergatta (2/13) in University Heights OH to race under the Cleveland Rowing Foundation at 2:15pm in the Mens Veteran Masters B (60+)
https://www.regattacentral.com/regatta/ ... 4&org_id=0

Interesting, Brian...

I had noticed that there is another R. Cureton out there.... on the OTW rowing circuit (I'm not kidding)

Anyway: Two reasons why this is not ranger:
#1: ranger goes for the bene's.. IOW: The Hammer Regatta was not a C2 sanctioned race (no airline ticket attached to winning)
#2: ranger is not a joiner.. so he would not be a member of the CRF...

Which leaves one final question... "what did ranger run out of today" ... besides excuses?

[JimR]

Which leaves one final question... "what did ranger run out of today" ... besides excuses?

> courage
> balls
> spi
> water
> gas
> money
> time
> batteries

JimR

[Steve G]

IF he did it and in a reasonable time he would have reported by now, he did report from Cincy earlier so has access to the net etc.

[mikvan52]

I have a new prediction!!!

A day of silence from el maestro followed by resumed servings of the same old tripe

[Bob S.]

I have a new prediction!!!

A day of silence from el maestro followed by resumed servings of the same old tripe

But menudo is a Sunday tradition, not Monday.

Bob S.

[leadville]

I have a new prediction!!!

A day of silence from el maestro followed by resumed servings of the same old tripe

But menudo is a Sunday tradition, not Monday.

Bob S.

MIke, that's just a smidge more appetizing than another year of rangerbullshit on the web.

Yecchh.

[jliddil]

5 Ways You're More of a Loser Than You Realize
http://thisorthat.com/blog/5-ways-youre ... ou-realize

[former lightweight]

Does anyone else think this thread should be locked now and Rich banned? I mean it was entertaining and an exercise in how not to train while he was actually racing... but now that he's not I'm afraid it serves no utility. For a Concept2 sponsored forum I think the level of discourse needs to be elevated a bit and this garbage stopped. Let's think about an imperfect analogy - what if there was a Stairmaster forum and someone went on and bragged about how they could climb the equivalent of 30 Mt. Everests at a rate equivalent of an F-16 in takeoff, or maybe a Bowflex forum where someone claims they can bench press 900 lbs more than 30 times. One would hope that the mods or admins would step in and ban hammer the person... as much for the forum's sake as their own.

Rich's claims aren't any different; at the best they are speculative and at the worst (and most likely) they are lies which perhaps at one point had some grounding in reality, but have now migrated into the "Twilight Zone". Rich is an immensely talented athlete who is also profoundly misguided in his training. Just because someone had a WR effort at one point in their career shouldn't allow them an insane voice on a reputable company's forum.

[mikvan52]

ignoring the sanity of "former lwt" for a moment:

But menudo is a Sunday tradition, not Monday.

Bob S.

Further research on this subject reveals that ranger is offal and unpalatable "due to (his) glandular content"

read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe

... but do not read too closely

Perhaps if we were a little more circumspect about the things that go in (and out of) our mouths ??... the internet (and this thread) would be easier to bear.

[luckylindy]

I don't think the thread should be locked and ranger banned - unless he comes on here and says "Hello, my name is Rich and I'm a compulsive liar [or insert some other psychological disease] - please help". If you don't like the thread, you can always mark ranger as a "foe" in the User Control Panel (like many others have done).

This is a forum to share ideas, and ranger shares them profusely. I think giving him his own sandbox (this thread) is a good compromise between letting him insult/abuse others freely and banning him outright. Apparently some people find it rather entertaining as well (I read it far more often than I should). I would also guess that his thread does far more good for the "sport" of indoor rowing than ill ... I certainly would have never been following results of indoor ergattas had it not been for ranger.

[former lightweight]

LL - I definitely see your point, and it's a good one. My aversion to this thread has nothing to do my own feelings toward it and I could indeed ignore it (and I usually do). My negativity toward the past 600+ pages of crap instead centers on the fact that even if I choose to ignore it, I firmly believe that a repository of such bad information on training, racing, etc shouldn't be allowed to stand in a forum sponsored by the maker of a rowing machine. Do 99% of people who read the thread ascertain it's bad info? Yes, I'm sure. Does that make it ok to let stand in the OFFICIAL forum of Concept 2? Who knows... but I will agree it IS entertaining.

Anyways, back to my point, a forum exists to exchange ideas, not create lies and fantasies. Perhaps I'm more sensitive to some of this misinformation as I coach a high school team, and much of my energy goes into making sure my athletes know how to filter the 'bad' info from the 'good', and there are plenty of voices out there that are just as wrong as Rich but more subtle in their claims. And to be very honest, after having been involved with this sport (both the indoor and outdoor aspect) for almost two decades, it's a little sad to think that folks are so wrapped up in what Rich may or may not do on a given weekend at an indoor regatta. But, then again, I'm guilty of tuning into to see his latest demise....

Anyways, sorry to hijack the thread Rich... back to our regularly scheduled programming!

[Izzzmeister]

I don't think the thread should be locked and ranger banned - unless he comes on here and says "Hello, my name is Rich and I'm a compulsive liar [or insert some other psychological disease] - please help!"

I would put the word "perfectionist" in that slot. I watched an ex-brother-in-law do the same thing to his life. He started a business installing windows in a country where they generally put in windows crooked. (They built with local rough stone, the 300-year-old houses had crooked windows, and it was a lot cheaper to just set the windows any old way and cement them in.) Since he put his windows in straight, his business took off.
But then he had to put them in PERFECTLY - straight wasn't good enough. This had the effect of 1) taking too long per window, and getting in the way of the builder's progress, and 2) losing his profit margin, since the amount he could charge couldn't cover the hours he was putting in. A year later, he was so deep in debt, he had to leave the country. And to get past the perfectionism, he literally had to change careers!
But this is all moot - the words "Please help!" will never come out of Ranger's mouth.

[macroth]

I assume your ex-BIL actually set the windows straight, or as close to perfect as possible. I doubt he spent hours on the job and then lied to his client's face claiming the windows were straight when they weren't.

[ranger]

Gorgeous UT1/sub-threshold "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" training now, 1:42 @ 26 spm (12.7 SPI), 3.6-to-1 ratio, 119 df.

Smooth as butta.

_Hugely_ relaxed ratio (3.6-to-1).

Minimal drag (119 df).

Now, all I have to do is push the meters on this rowing up to 40K a day in order to get entirely used to it.

The easiest way to do this without any undue strain would be to give up my cross-training OTBike for a while and just do twice as much OTErg.

Then, after a few months, distance trials will be a cinch.

Just rating 26 spm and holding my technique steady, I'll break all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to HM.

This rowing at 26 spm is exactly 10 seconds per 500m (80 watts) faster than similar distance sessions that I did back in 2002-2003, rowing badly (1:52 @ 9.7 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

For this sort of rowing, at least, by dropping the drag and improving my technique, despite eight years of aging, I have increased my stroking power 3 SPI, even though, at the starting point of this training I was 52 years old and had just completed three straight WR rows that lowered the 50s lwt WR at that time by 3.6 seconds.

I am now a 60s lwt.

ranger