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Re: TimbukTOO Team Room

Post by damselfly » February 18th, 2013, 6:53 pm

Quatroux wrote:I went to the YMCA today to take a swim test and left with $230 of private swim lessons. I thought I was in good shape, but I had to quit on my second lap. I'm really disappointed, but glad that I still have time to get over this hurdle before I get out on the water in March.

"Emotional Resiliency - Being able to handle setbacks and recovering quickly from them." http://www.thesportinmind.com/weekly-ar ... toughness/

This was a big one.
Wow, Andy! That's a surprise! Was it technique that tripped you up or was it just not being in "swim shape"? I know that being in great shape and in practice for one sport does not translate to others because of the different muscles and physical demands involved.

I'm not sure I'm in agreement with that article regarding what it takes to be "mentally tough", namely:
In order to be mentally tough you:
  • Must have talent
  • Be in peak physical condition
  • Your technical skills have to be sharp
I have to be in peak physical condition to be mentally tough? I thought the only way to get into peak physical condition is to be mentally tough enough to be disciplined and endure the training pain to get there. And must have talent? Leaves me right out. But I consider myself mentally tough when I'm out on those hills and my feet are killing me and there seems no end to them, but I just keep my head down and keep putting one foot in front of the other until I hit the top. Maybe they're talking about a whole level of toughness that I'll never even be able to conceptualize.
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Re: TimbukTOO Team Room

Post by Izzzmeister » February 18th, 2013, 9:59 pm

All hands on deck, enjoying an extended weekend! A scant 7 of 66 members (11%) logged 100,499 total meters Sunday!

Milestones achieved: KYLE HIT FOUR MILLION!!!
Approaching milestones: Adam nearing 2.2M (-14,020m) while Yisroel warms up to 2M (-33,955m)!

Posted Meters:
Kyle J - 25,000 I stand in awe of you, sir!
Yisroel H - 15,696 Two half hours, one over 8K!
Adam M - 15,000 Took the boat out for a long one!
Andy I - 13,909 Doing swimmingly!
Cindy R - 13,182 Double duty!
Matthew R - 11,500 Experimenting with different speeds?
Kevin K - 6,212 It’s good to rest at least one day a week!

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Post by Izzzmeister » February 18th, 2013, 10:09 pm

Quatroux wrote:
damselfly wrote:
Izzzmeister wrote:The trick is to hitch your wagon to a good woman...
The best advice a father can give his son is to tell him to marry up. A first date should include a math test followed by a light audit of her balance sheet.
Here's my ideal math-savvy woman:
http://youtu.be/Qhm7-LEBznk

I worked to convince my wife to do laundry the old-fashioned way, to beat the material of my clothes with sticks and rocks before soaking. The good news is that she is willing to do it; the bad news is that she won't wait until I get the clothes off me first...
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Post by damselfly » February 18th, 2013, 10:10 pm

Izzzmeister wrote:
Milestones achieved: KYLE HIT FOUR MILLION!!!
Way to pull that handle, man!! Congratulations!! B) B) B) B)
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Post by Little Miss Muffet » February 19th, 2013, 9:11 am

Hi everyone!
Newbie here! Just wanting to say hello. I'm still learning my way around the logbook, the machine, the technique, etc. My erg arrived yesterday and tried it out. I am WAAAY out of shape-but hopefully the erg will help change that.

anyway- just wanted to say hello.

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Post by Quatroux » February 19th, 2013, 11:20 am

I hate long posts, but I’m about to push another one out to you guys:
damselfly wrote:Wow, Andy! That's a surprise! Was it technique that tripped you up or was it just not being in "swim shape"? I know that being in great shape and in practice for one sport does not translate to others because of the different muscles and physical demands involved.
I think it was technique. That has to be the cause because it is the only thing I can change in the amount of time I have left before my next goal (rowing OTW in March). I was using a lot of energy and not going anywhere. I was also a strong swimmer as a kid, but couldn't get my breast stroke in sync and the forward crawl was a joke. As for CV fitness, I ALWAYS feel like I don't have enough CV fitness. This was no different.

Isn't that the beauty of rowing? Doesn’t every workout leave you feeling like your lungs and heart gave it their all and maybe your legs had a bit more left? Maybe it is just me. I am a cardiac athlete.

Let’s get real about this. I have this little voice in the back of my head that pops up each time I face a physical challenge. It whispers, “Maybe rowing isn’t the ultimate supreme test you say it is.” Like Sister Aloysius once cried, “I have doubts. I have such doubts.”

I recall a recent stress test where I couldn’t go past 12 minutes running at whatever crazy incline my cardiologist set the treadmill to. I reasoned that failure away by repeating to myself, “You haven’t run a step in 17 years. You just don’t have the sport-specific fitness necessary to run like this.” Failing to swim 250m was even a greater disappointment than the realization that I couldn’t go the “full” 15 minutes on the stress test.

I couldn’t fix my swimming problem in one day. The pool was closed and I still hadn’t been assigned an instructor. How could I sleep like that? I had to address these doubts before I went to sleep.

I decided to start a couch to 5k program last night using a free app (TotalC25k) on my phone. I was scared that I wouldn’t finish day one. All my fears would be realized and rowing wouldn’t be the gateway to fitness I thought it was.

I suited up, grabbed the dog, and started a 30’ run/walk combination known as DAY 1 (you should read “DAY 1” as if it came straight from the mouth of Charlton Heston. If you didn’t do this, please go back and do it now.). I forgot how much I liked the rhythm of running. It reminds me a lot of rowing except it slowly destroys all the joints in your lower body and makes orthopedic surgeons rich.

Anyway, it felt great! I had NO problem and seriously considered doubling to a full hour. It was fun and easy. I am far less sore today than I expected and I have no plans to take a day off before running again. (I do have to finish the program now that I started it.)

What a relief! Wow! That’s a huge weight off my shoulders. I'm confident that a few lessons (maybe 8) and I'll be the strong swimmer I thought I was.

damselfly wrote:I'm not sure I'm in agreement with that article regarding what it takes to be "mentally tough”
I dunno. I figure no one knows what tough is until they PR a 2k. I don’t know much about these authors, but I love sports psychology. I do battle with my mind every day. I hate setbacks, but I also need them. They are what motivate me the most.
Izzzmeister wrote:Milestones achieved:[/u] KYLE HIT FOUR MILLION!!
Congrats! I just hit 4M lifetime and you’ve managed to do it in half a season! Wow!!!!

Little Miss Muffet wrote:Hi everyone!
Newbie here! Just wanting to say hello.
Welcome to the club. Hop right in and join us. There’s only about 3 members that were born fast. The rest of us are either in the same boat as you or were there recently.
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Re: TimbukTOO Team Room

Post by damselfly » February 19th, 2013, 11:20 am

Little Miss Muffet wrote:Hi everyone!
Newbie here! Just wanting to say hello. I'm still learning my way around the logbook, the machine, the technique, etc. My erg arrived yesterday and tried it out. I am WAAAY out of shape-but hopefully the erg will help change that.

anyway- just wanted to say hello.
Welcome, LMM! Let us help out any way we can in answering questions, etc. This group is very supportive to rowers at all levels and who are working towards a variety of fitness goals.

What's your "real life" name? I can't find anyone new on our affiliation list...
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Post by damselfly » February 19th, 2013, 11:50 am

Quatroux wrote:I hate long posts, but I’m about to push another one out to you guys:
Love 'em and keep 'em coming.
Quatroux wrote:I decided to start a couch to 5k program last night using a free app (TotalC25k) on my phone. I was scared that I wouldn’t finish day one. All my fears would be realized and rowing wouldn’t be the gateway to fitness I thought it was.

I suited up, grabbed the dog, and started a 30’ run/walk combination known as DAY 1 (you should read “DAY 1” as if it came straight from the mouth of Charlton Heston. If you didn’t do this, please go back and do it now.). I forgot how much I liked the rhythm of running. It reminds me a lot of rowing except it slowly destroys all the joints in your lower body and makes orthopedic surgeons rich.
C25k is great! I did one targeted to 10k that taught me to run. My advice: get off the pavement if you can. Trail eases the strain on joints, is better for balance and coordination, and since each step is different, helps avoid repetitive motion strain. Jumping over snakes and coyote poop adds interest as well, and watching out for mountain lions keeps you mentally sharp. :P Also, if you can (and don't already do so), look into using a mid-foot or forefoot strike instead of a heel strike.
Quatroux wrote:Anyway, it felt great! I had NO problem and seriously considered doubling to a full hour. It was fun and easy. I am far less sore today than I expected and I have no plans to take a day off before running again. (I do have to finish the program now that I started it.)

What a relief! Wow! That’s a huge weight off my shoulders. I'm confident that a few lessons (maybe 8) and I'll be the strong swimmer I thought I was.
Yay!! I predict success!!

Quatroux wrote:Let’s get real about this. I have this little voice in the back of my head that pops up each time I face a physical challenge. It whispers, “Maybe rowing isn’t the ultimate supreme test you say it is.” Like Sister Aloysius once cried, “I have doubts. I have such doubts.”
Quatroux wrote:
damselfly wrote:I'm not sure I'm in agreement with that article regarding what it takes to be "mentally tough”
I dunno. I figure no one knows what tough is until they PR a 2k. I don’t know much about these authors, but I love sports psychology. I do battle with my mind every day. I hate setbacks, but I also need them. They are what motivate me the most.
It sounds like you really are driven by serious challenge and want to feel like you're giving your all. If that gives you what you are looking for, go for it!! But take care of your body and mind, too.

I understand the "battle in the mind" all too well. Most of my day is spent with thoughts beginning with "I should..." When I'm running, it's I should go faster/farther/higher/harder/stronger/etc. Don't get me started on rowing, since by the definition I understand, all my meters are "junk", and every time I read about you guys' PRs and training plans, I "should" all over myself. But owing to history I won't discuss here, a great deal of my life has been steeped in varying degrees of self-inflicted harm. At 51, now pretty fit and at a good weight, I want to enjoy my life, including my fitness endeavors. I'm not interested (at this point) in doing regattas or marathons. I want to challenge myself but not hurt myself physically, mentally, or emotionally. Those days are done. I want to feel good. "Good enough", that is. And maybe just a little bit better, tomorrow.
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Post by damselfly » February 19th, 2013, 11:56 am

Izzzmeister wrote: Here's my ideal math-savvy woman:
http://youtu.be/Qhm7-LEBznk
I'm embarrassed to be of the same gender as that person.... :oops: :oops: :cry:

On the plus side, I could TOTALLY take her in the mile. :lol:
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Post by Quatroux » February 19th, 2013, 12:55 pm

damselfly wrote:On the plus side, I could TOTALLY take her in the mile. :lol:
My only thought was that she's pretty and I'd probably never survive a car ride with her without killing myself to spare the brain hurt.
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Post by giftogab » February 19th, 2013, 4:25 pm

Been off the erg a few days with house guests. AND I was hiking in Death Valley and Red Rock Canyon. GREAT to be out there and seeing how the ERG is helping me get outside and play as well! B)
I HAVE SEEN THE MOUNTIAN, SLEPT ON ITS GLACIER AND FELT ITS MAJESTY

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Post by Izzzmeister » February 20th, 2013, 6:11 am

All hands on deck, trying to make up for our missing military men! 11 of 66 members (17%) logged 118,264 total meters Monday!

Milestones achieved: Lisa whacked 1.5M!!
Approaching milestones: Jim is approaching 3.5M (-39,000m), Adam so close to 2.2M (-6,020m), Jonathan aspiring to 1.8M (-19,914m), Michael McC works on 250K (-17,596m) while Mark S (-22,233m) lags slightly behind him.

Posted Meters:
Michael M - 18,016 Longest row of the week!
Jim C - 18,000
Not 16K?!
John S - 17,736 A very long row!
Matthew R - 11,500 Back on schedule…
Jeff S - 10,000 That’s hard after a long break…

Jonathan R - 10,000 Solid!
Lisa H - 9,043 What a milestone!
Adam M - 8,000 Huge daily streak!
Mark S - 7,238 Back on his cross-training implement…
Cindy R - 6,605 Taking this quite seriously…
Andy I - 2,126 After 6 huge rows, the closest thing to a break…

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Post by Quatroux » February 20th, 2013, 10:23 am

damselfly wrote: Also, if you can (and don't already do so), look into using a mid-foot or forefoot strike instead of a heel strike.
I don't already do so. Thanks for the tip. I'm certain that I'm back on my heels. I ran DAY 2 (read as if coming from the mouth of Clint Eastwood) and tried to get my weight out in front which seemed to help. I still felt like my heel was hitting first, but it was not as pronounced. My legs were very sore, but I still felt great running. I'm so very happy to not be gasping for air during these runs. My legs should ctach up today or tomorrow once the initial shock of changing how I use my muscles wears off. I'm back in the pool today so I may need a day off from running.

damselfly wrote:But take care of your body and mind, too.
I've written this reply like 5 times and people keep coming into my office and then I have to start from scratch. Anyway, I think that we have the same approach, but it manifests itself in different ways. I'm energized by others and external goals, but I resist letting them control me. Not giving externals control over your internals seems to be what I think you are saying here. I run my race despite being surrounded by others looking to beat me. They keep me energized, but I have to channel Lisa and not let the desire to beat them cloud my mind.

FYI - no rowing for me until this weekend at the earliest. I can't run, swim, and row. I need to get these short-term hurdles (run/swim) out of the way before I can focus on what is important again (row). I bet I'll have some nice gains on the rower once I come back.
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Post by damselfly » February 20th, 2013, 1:53 pm

For those of you like me who are astounded by the meters racked up by some folks during the the VTC and other challenges, putting even our own team's super-ergers way down the pack, you'll find this article from C2 of interest.
Concept2 on Facebook wrote:Ever wonder how rowers and skiers in the the January Virtual Team Challenge can rack up over 2 million meters in just one month? Yes, these people are real, and here are their stories:

Meter Madness

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Post by damselfly » February 20th, 2013, 1:56 pm

Quatroux wrote:They keep me energized, but I have to channel Lisa and not let the desire to beat them cloud my mind.
Oh, brother!! :roll:

I agree with you, we're probably coming from the same place. And FWIW, I think that a balanced portfolio of different exercise genres is best for both body and mind. Meters ain't all there is.
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