Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

RANKING RESULTS 2003 though 2010
| 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (52–59) | 2003 - 2010 Seasons

ranger is number 1

1 Rich Cureton 52 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:28
2 Roy Brook 55 London GB 6:38.1
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Yep, education takes considerable effort and investment, which slows you down temporarily.

But in the end, it pays off.

Those who don't continue their education end up unemployed, like Roy.

If and when he gets back into peak condition and races again, like you, Roy will now have problems pulling 6:50.

At BIRC 2010, I am going to pull 6:20.

RANKING RESULTS 2006 though 2010
| 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2006 - 2010 Seasons

ranger is number 1

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:20
2 Roy Brook 55 London GB 6:38.1
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Given my age and Roy's record, 18 seconds slower even though done when he was four years younger, this result will be outrageous, so outrageous that whatever Roy has done, or not, over the last five years will be gone with the wind.

Gone.

Gone.

Tell 'em about it, boys.

Hit it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4S7jafRlJ0

ranger

[ranger]

After I pull a lwt 6:20 at BIRC 2010, over the last decade, the best rows in the 50s lwts will be these (although I am guessing on Dennis' best 50s time), and the best time will be done by a rower only two months from leaving the division for the 60s lwts.

Rich Cureton (59) 6:20
Paul Siebach (50) 6:25.1
Graham Watt (50) 6:25.8
Jean-Paul Tardieu (50) 6:31.6
Dennis Hastings (51) 6:33
Chris Bertram (50) 6:37.7
Roy Brook (55) 6:38

ranger

[snowleopard]

After I pull a lwt 6:20 at BIRC 2010, over the last decade, the best rows in the 50s lwts will be these (although I am guessing on Dennis' best 50s time):

Rich Cureton 6:20
Paul Siebach 6:25.1
Graham Watt 6:25.8
Jean-Paul Tardieu 6:31.6
Dennis Hastings 6:33
Chris Bertram 6:37.7
Roy Brook 6:38

Just what kind of needy saddo puts their name at the top of a list against a time they have no hope of rowing?

Does all this frotting make you feel better about yourself, Dick?

[H2O]

Rich, you talk a good story but alas, when BIRC is all said and done, you will be using the "I didn't sharpen line".

Rich can only row a decent 2K if he does not sharpen.
He is sincerely convinced that he can row 6:20 and will sharpen accordingly.
As soon as he does this his rowing falls apart and the need for technical breakthroughs arises ("sweep stroke").

[mikvan52]

After I pull a lwt 6:20 at BIRC 2010, over the last decade, the best rows in the 50s lwts will be these (although I am guessing on Dennis' best 50s time):

Rich Cureton 6:20
Paul Siebach 6:25.1
Graham Watt 6:25.8
Jean-Paul Tardieu 6:31.6
Dennis Hastings 6:33
Chris Bertram 6:37.7
Roy Brook 6:38

Just what kind of needy saddo puts their name at the top of a list against a time they have no hope of rowing?

Does all this frotting make you feel better about yourself, Dick?

"Interesting" too that TSO sees himself as a 60's lightweight and a 50-54 lwt simultaneously. Isn't that a classic example of yet another personality disorder?

("Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a condition in which a person displays multiple distinct identities or ...")
So when RIch says he "DID" something... remember... DID is code


Sticking to the 55-59 lwt historical records for a moment and only including one's that are real:
Here are the other times of greats under 6:50 for the 55-59 lights

John Busk
55
Slangerup
DEN
6:47.5
RACE 2009

dennis hastings
55
evergreen
co
USA
6:40.8
RACE


John Harvey
55
GBR
6:44.8 RACE

Rod Stewart
55
GBR
6:45.8
RACE



Henry Baker
58
Santa Barbara
CA
USA
6:49.1 IND


Rolf Meek
55
Oslo
NOR
6:49.3
IND 2006


Richard White
56
Poitiers
AWL France
FRA
6:41.0
IND 2005


Roger Prowse
57
Isle of Wight
GBR
6:41.9 2003
RACE

Alain Mangin
55
FRA
6:49.5
RACE 2004

At a glance we can see that ranger remains an amazing 4th on the since 2002 list...
Very impressive, Rich!, particularly when you train for "10 million erg meters a year"...
Hastings told us, in contrast, that a typical day for him was 15k. And..(!) he didn't train 7 days a week 365 days a year..

#1 Brook
#2 Hastings
#3 White
#4 Cureton
................"So it (really) goes".... ranger's 55-59 lwt ranking legacy looks to be stalled at the fourth place ribbon earned at some county fair in the hinterland...(no CRASH-B result of note in 5 years)... TSO didn't even achieve the free air-fare to Boston status he sought this past winter.. (shame...)

[rayg1]

Ranger,

I've only been an active rower for about two months now and I use these forums for education, I saw this tread was insanely long so I figured there must be good info in here, right? Wrong. When I come to your thread all I see is a bunch of self-centered narcissism that really seems pointless when you boil it all down. Why do you do this to yourself? All I have to say is that if the rowing community is ANYTHING like the running community you had better go to BIRC 2010, absolutely nut-up and destroy the competition to back up the trash talk you throw around here. If you get second place, throw your back out, miss your stroke timing, get too dehydrated, whatever, and fail to accomplish what you boast you can do, you might as well just sell your erg and bow out, because any thread of respect the community may still have for you will be lost.

What I'm really trying to say here is that your constant bragging does nothing but hurt you. Why not be an asset to community instead of the black sheep?

You may be a good rower, in fact, you may be an excellent rower but I highly doubt I would take training advice from you because how am I to know what is factual and useful information and what is just fluff?

[PaulH]

In addition to all the rowing 1:37 @ 30 spm, over the next month, I will want to get to 60'r20 @ 1:50.

ranger

You said this on September 19th. That's well over a month ago, so how did it go?

[ranger]

As soon as he does this his rowing falls apart and the need for technical breakthroughs arises ("sweep stroke").

My sweep stroke is no technical breakthrough.

It just holds in place, automatically, the advances I have made in technique.

If it is a breakthrough at all, the breakthrough is psychological.

When I use this sweep stroke, my technique holds together by itself.

I don't have to think about it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

ray:
a suggestion:
Protect yourself... DO not come back this thread... if you want to learn anything about training for the erg.
From my personal experience and (as you can see) #'s of posts, I've spent way too much time here over morning coffee.

I could be stretching out or reading a book or something productive. I guess I originally wanted some training info and some things here sounded plausible.... Now, I see that it just a way to have a few laughs and pass time.

Have you witnessed the temper tantrums yet?... Where posts get deleted by the C2 monitors (mostly ranger's) because of foul language (mostly)? At it's heart this thread isn't even civil.
ranger's history is to put in one or two decent efforts a year at 2k OTErg. There are no training tips of any value (IMO)..

Respectfully yours,
Mike

[ranger]

You may be a good rower, in fact, you may be an excellent rower but I highly doubt I would take training advice from you

As in anything else in life, whom you take advice from is entirely up to you.

In any event, you suffer the consequences of your choices.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You may be a good rower, in fact, you may be an excellent rower but I highly doubt I would take training advice from you

As in anything else in life, who you take advice from is entirely up to you.

In any event, you suffer the consequences of your choices.

Good luck with it.

ranger

perfect example:

the troll-like use of the "you suffer" gambit... the idea being: "you will suffer in your training if you don't listen to what I have to say"

My response(?)
It all fits this scenario:
(internet bridge troll video)
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg&feature=fvw

(yes, we've all seen that one ) ..don't have to watch this tired video again...

[ranger]

All I have to say is that if the rowing community is ANYTHING like the running community you had better go to BIRC 2010, absolutely nut-up and destroy the competition to back up the trash talk you throw around here.

Sure, I'll do _very_ well at BIRC, at least besting the 55s lwt WR, and probably besting the 50s lwt WR, too, even though I will be just a couple of months shy of 60.

Not sure what you mean by "trash talk," though.

Yes, the forum has consistently trashed my talk here about my training, claiming that it is all lies, while I just consider it talk about my training--my goals, methods, results, etc.

I suppose BIRC 2010 and WIRC 2011 will show us who is right in this difference of opinion.

If I do indeed pull 6:20 at BIRC 2010, what I have said here has been just a standard reporting of my training, not lies at all, as the forum has assumed, and there should be apologies all around, although I wonder whether the apologies should be accepted, given the length and pitch of the unfounded accusations I have had to put up with here.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Not sure ...

Not honest about being not sure, either.

AND! Trashing someone's training (criticism) is not "trash talk" (a form of boast or insult commonly heard in competitive situations)

[H2O]

Sure, I'll do _very_ well at BIRC, ...

ranger

I for one hope you do. It will only happen if you get to a realistic assessment of your capabilities.

[ranger]

Trashing someone's training (criticism) is not "trash talk"

Sure, just a play on words so as not to inflate, even further, the oddness of what has happened here.

Why would the forum trash someone's training, if it is indeed just that--good, solid training which leads to wonderful results?

And why would the forum resort to trash talk (ad hominem arguments, etc.) on top of that in order to make their (perhaps false, unjustifed) point?

Go figure.

ranger