New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by JMac » November 11th, 2019, 5:14 pm

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:28 pm
1min PB - 384m - +3m

Today I had my last fast session before 2k TT on Friday, so I decided to do a fast 1min session at 95% and the plan to start quicker and then slow down at the end. It felt pretty good, the last 15sec were hard, but this way it's a good bit easier than trying to hold the pace for the whole 1min (thanks for this advice Henry :D ).

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
1:00.0 384m 1:18.1 734 2826 46

Don't know if it was 95% or 97% but I'm pretty sure a few more meters are possible, hopefully close to 390m. Good confidence boost for Friday :wink:
Well done! Seriously strong!
37 | 6'6" | 130kg

100m: 13.6 | 500m: 1:17.8 | 2k: 6:29 | 5k: 18:07 | 10k: 37:45

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » November 11th, 2019, 5:15 pm

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 1:35 pm

How is your back? So aggravating short before BRIC, hopefully you're 100% fit there, all the best for that!
Not good. I had a Pilates class tonight that usually helps but I had twinges quite early on. We'll see how it is but I probably need this week off to recover which is going to be really hard to accept but I need to rest as it clearly isn't in a good way.

Worst things could have happened so it's alright whatever happens but I'm going to be grouchy by the end of the week as I was assuming last week was going to be my chance to recover. Thanks for asking mate
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » November 12th, 2019, 2:37 am

JMac wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 5:14 pm
MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:28 pm
1min PB - 384m - +3m

Today I had my last fast session before 2k TT on Friday, so I decided to do a fast 1min session at 95% and the plan to start quicker and then slow down at the end. It felt pretty good, the last 15sec were hard, but this way it's a good bit easier than trying to hold the pace for the whole 1min (thanks for this advice Henry :D ).

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
1:00.0 384m 1:18.1 734 2826 46

Don't know if it was 95% or 97% but I'm pretty sure a few more meters are possible, hopefully close to 390m. Good confidence boost for Friday :wink:
Well done! Seriously strong!
Thank you! It's my favorite sprint distance :D
Have you done a 1min TT too? I estimate this distance will suit you pretty perfect, with your super strong LP and 100m you can go for >400m for sure. For guys like us with aerobic fitness as limiting factor it's much easier than the 500m (at least for me).
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by JMac » November 12th, 2019, 2:55 am

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 2:37 am
JMac wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 5:14 pm
MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:28 pm
1min PB - 384m - +3m

Today I had my last fast session before 2k TT on Friday, so I decided to do a fast 1min session at 95% and the plan to start quicker and then slow down at the end. It felt pretty good, the last 15sec were hard, but this way it's a good bit easier than trying to hold the pace for the whole 1min (thanks for this advice Henry :D ).

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
1:00.0 384m 1:18.1 734 2826 46

Don't know if it was 95% or 97% but I'm pretty sure a few more meters are possible, hopefully close to 390m. Good confidence boost for Friday :wink:
Well done! Seriously strong!
Thank you! It's my favorite sprint distance :D
Have you done a 1min TT too? I estimate this distance will suit you pretty perfect, with your super strong LP and 100m you can go for >400m for sure. For guys like us with aerobic fitness as limiting factor it's much easier than the 500m (at least for me).
My best is 388m, 400m would be great. Definitely a target when I (eventually) attempt some new sprint PBs.
37 | 6'6" | 130kg

100m: 13.6 | 500m: 1:17.8 | 2k: 6:29 | 5k: 18:07 | 10k: 37:45

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » November 12th, 2019, 4:22 am

Nice work Martin, congrats :D

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » November 12th, 2019, 4:43 am

hjs wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:22 am
Nice work Martin, congrats :D
Thank you Henry, it really works better to stay fast as long as I can and accept the fade. The first 30sec were a bit slower than possible (to be fit for Friday's 2k and not risking an injury), but much more fade than last PB. I'll try another one in a few weeks, then on the edge, the last 15sec will be horrible, but I'll embrace the pain :wink:
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » November 12th, 2019, 4:57 am

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:43 am
hjs wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:22 am
Nice work Martin, congrats :D
Thank you Henry, it really works better to stay fast as long as I can and accept the fade. The first 30sec were a bit slower than possible (to be fit for Friday's 2k and not risking an injury), but much more fade than last PB. I'll try another one in a few weeks, then on the edge, the last 15sec will be horrible, but I'll embrace the pain :wink:
Yes it does, it feels wrong, but it does work and the more speed you have the better it works.

2k is different, aerobic fitness is much more important. Have faith, you are on for a big pb. Make a good raceplan, but keep some room to wiggle. You don,t know what you can, so feel is important. Start soon enough to speed up.

Good luck!

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Post by MartinSH4321 » November 12th, 2019, 5:32 am

hjs wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:57 am
MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:43 am
hjs wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:22 am
Nice work Martin, congrats :D
Thank you Henry, it really works better to stay fast as long as I can and accept the fade. The first 30sec were a bit slower than possible (to be fit for Friday's 2k and not risking an injury), but much more fade than last PB. I'll try another one in a few weeks, then on the edge, the last 15sec will be horrible, but I'll embrace the pain :wink:
Yes it does, it feels wrong, but it does work and the more speed you have the better it works.

2k is different, aerobic fitness is much more important. Have faith, you are on for a big pb. Make a good raceplan, but keep some room to wiggle. You don,t know what you can, so feel is important. Start soon enough to speed up.

Good luck!
Thank you! Yeah, the biggest element of uncertainty is that I don't know what I can, the intervals I recently did show me that I'm on a good way.

My raceplan is:
- faster start for 5-10 strokes
- settle pace to 1:41 for the first 1k
- then, depending on how I feel, speed up to 1:40 till 600m to go (that was the "magic" rest distance last time where I was sure to finish)
- speed up to 1:39 till 250m to go
- sprint finish for the last 250m, hopefully at 1:35 or faster

If this works as planned I'll end at 6:38-6:39, so also a little cushion to get sub 6:40 :D
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » November 12th, 2019, 6:43 am

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 5:32 am

Thank you! Yeah, the biggest element of uncertainty is that I don't know what I can, the intervals I recently did show me that I'm on a good way.

My raceplan is:
- faster start for 5-10 strokes
- settle pace to 1:41 for the first 1k
- then, depending on how I feel, speed up to 1:40 till 600m to go (that was the "magic" rest distance last time where I was sure to finish)
- speed up to 1:39 till 250m to go
- sprint finish for the last 250m, hopefully at 1:35 or faster

If this works as planned I'll end at 6:38-6:39, so also a little cushion to get sub 6:40 :D
My thoughts. I would not aim for an exact time. Let it come the way it comes.
Don,t be to confident, it will hurt, expect that, it never feels good, if it does you are not really trying.
Don,t set the pm on average, but on pace alone. A few tenths here and there don,t matter.
If you reach 1400m feeling ok ish, meaning you still can keep pace and breathing is not all over the place, increese rating, with 300 to go, again increese rating, with 100 to go, short slide and go fully all out.

:D

And remember, yes it hurts, but only for a short while, you put in a lot of work and time, so after that also do the work for thise last 6/7 minutes. B) You know you can, but it only counts if you really have.

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Post by MartinSH4321 » November 12th, 2019, 7:17 am

hjs wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 6:43 am
My thoughts. I would not aim for an exact time. Let it come the way it comes.
Don,t be to confident, it will hurt, expect that, it never feels good, if it does you are not really trying.
Don,t set the pm on average, but on pace alone. A few tenths here and there don,t matter.
If you reach 1400m feeling ok ish, meaning you still can keep pace and breathing is not all over the place, increese rating, with 300 to go, again increese rating, with 100 to go, short slide and go fully all out.

:D

And remember, yes it hurts, but only for a short while, you put in a lot of work and time, so after that also do the work for thise last 6/7 minutes. B) You know you can, but it only counts if you really have.
Very true! :D
The pace is only a guideline, +/- 5W depending on how I feel. I never tried to row without seeing the average, but I'll give it a try.

Thank you for your encouragement!
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » November 12th, 2019, 8:11 am

Re av/pace. Just my idea, the thought behind it, that if you see it, you can follow it. But ofcourse do what you feel comfortable with.

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » November 12th, 2019, 10:13 am

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:43 am

Thank you Henry, it really works better to stay fast as long as I can and accept the fade. The first 30sec were a bit slower than possible (to be fit for Friday's 2k and not risking an injury), but much more fade than last PB. I'll try another one in a few weeks, then on the edge, the last 15sec will be horrible, but I'll embrace the pain :wink:
Remember to smile when it starts to hurt. I always look up and over the monitor and imagine my loved ones are there willing me on, beaming with pride. It's a simple but very effective psychological trick. You have a surge of dopamine and endorphins whilst distracting your attention.

Best of luck mate. Really looking forward to seeing what you can achieve
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » November 12th, 2019, 10:38 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 10:13 am
MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 4:43 am

Thank you Henry, it really works better to stay fast as long as I can and accept the fade. The first 30sec were a bit slower than possible (to be fit for Friday's 2k and not risking an injury), but much more fade than last PB. I'll try another one in a few weeks, then on the edge, the last 15sec will be horrible, but I'll embrace the pain :wink:
Remember to smile when it starts to hurt. I always look up and over the monitor and imagine my loved ones are there willing me on, beaming with pride. It's a simple but very effective psychological trick. You have a surge of dopamine and endorphins whilst distracting your attention.

Best of luck mate. Really looking forward to seeing what you can achieve
Thank you mate!
I'll try this trick as it helped me for the 5k and 30' too.
I'm getting a bit nervous but my preparation was good so far and I'll use the days before TT for supercompensation, stretching and eating, so I'm confident :D
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by KeithT » November 12th, 2019, 10:48 am

MartinSH4321 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:28 pm
1min PB - 384m - +3m

Today I had my last fast session before 2k TT on Friday, so I decided to do a fast 1min session at 95% and the plan to start quicker and then slow down at the end. It felt pretty good, the last 15sec were hard, but this way it's a good bit easier than trying to hold the pace for the whole 1min (thanks for this advice Henry :D ).

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
1:00.0 384m 1:18.1 734 2826 46

Don't know if it was 95% or 97% but I'm pretty sure a few more meters are possible, hopefully close to 390m. Good confidence boost for Friday :wink:
This is pretty beastly Martin - and not 100%?! I can't wait to see how the 2K goes, it's a different type of test but your fitness has improved and you have great power, I am expecting a really good result and smashing of your PB.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by winniewinser » November 12th, 2019, 11:10 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 10:13 am
Remember to smile when it starts to hurt. I always look up and over the monitor and imagine my loved ones are there willing me on, beaming with pride. It's a simple but very effective psychological trick. You have a surge of dopamine and endorphins whilst distracting your attention.

Best of luck mate. Really looking forward to seeing what you can achieve
Good tip....I'll have to try that next time I'm gasping like a goldfish out of water :lol:

No pressure now Martin....we're all expecting big things :wink:
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