Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Keep this about you and keep it to the facts. Fact is that working hard, sweating freely and doing a pace that you wouldn't want to do for 90 minutes your HR leveled at 161, a more realistic "estimate' of your AT.

No, it's not AT.

It it were, I would be racing.

I do my biking _after_ my erging and before my OTW rowing.

When I am biking, I am not racing.

I am just riding comfortably.

If I were racing, I couldn't use it as recovery from erging, and I couldn't do anything right after.

ranger

[ranger]

This is October 2nd.

BIRC is November 21st.

Head of the Grand is Oct 17th - I know you're busy, but you haven't registered yet

What's the rush?

The entry deadline is Oct 13th.

Only one other male 1x or 2x is entered at the moment.

I just entered.

It's interesting that there must have been a course change.

As it stands now, there will be no racing under bridges.

The course will start just after one bridge and end just before the next.

Race Course:The race will be run downriver on the Grand River between the Waverly and MLK Bridges.The starting line will be just after the WaverlyBridge and the finish before the MLK Bridgeso no racing will take place through any bridges.The race will run on the south side (farside) of the river with a return and warm up lane on the north side (dockside).The race will run between 3500and 4000 meters.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safa ... CCUQ8gEwAA

ranger

[Citroen]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.



So for the last 45min of my 90min rides, my HR is above 160 bpm.

Wow.

By the forumula, 220- age, the projected maxHR for a 60-year-old is 160 bpm.

I am cross-training at relatively high UT1.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

Top-end UT2 is 145 bpm.

Here's when we last discussed Ranger's insistence of a "constant" and "flat" heart rate on 10th August 2010.

Can someone please explain "Steady State" heart rate to a newbie like me please ?

We've discussed this with the idiot before.

Steady state for what variables? HR? Pace? Stroke rate?

All of the above.

ranger

There's no such thing as steady state for all three at 1:48@23spm for you - if nothing else your HR will drift upwards as you lose liquid through that "lovely sweating" that create the pool on your garage floor. You can't avoid that, that's physiology 101.

Oh, sure.

There will be a little drift.

My average HR for a FM, though, will be 155 bpm, and my HR will never be above 165 bpm during the row.

ranger

Hand's up, who can spot the inconsistency between Ranger's consecutive posts.

And for completeness, I'll just remind everyone of the usefulness of 220-age as any possible estimate of HR or HRR. http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/Robergs2.pdf

[ranger]

And for completeness, I'll just remind everyone of the usefulness of 220-age as any possible estimate of HR or HRR. http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/Robergs2.pdf

Yea, the revised formula, 205.8 - .685 x age, gives 164.7 as the normative maxHR for a 60-year old.



My maxHR is 190 bpm.

ranger

[ausrwr]

Mike's anaerobic threshold is 145 bpm. So 150 bpm is AT.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm. So AT is 175 bpm.

ranger

For my own amusement, I'll ask the question: What in the name of everything that's holy, and unholy as well, are you talking about here?

Anaerobic Threshold is AT is Anaerobic Threshold is AT is... what's the use? You really have not a single idea of what you're spouting about, do you?

Keep enjoying yourself Rich, keep pretending there's a sub 6:40 at LWT there for you at any point, it's all good fun.

[Citroen]

And for completeness, I'll just remind everyone of the usefulness of 220-age as any possible estimate of HR or HRR. http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/Robergs2.pdf

Yea, the revised formula, 205.8 - .685 x age, gives 164.7 as the normative maxHR for a 60-year old.

Let me correct your slightly flawed mathematics. 205.8 - 0.685 * 59.5 gives 165.0

[ranger]

And for completeness, I'll just remind everyone of the usefulness of 220-age as any possible estimate of HR or HRR. http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/Robergs2.pdf

Yea, the revised formula, 205.8 - .685 x age, gives 164.7 as the normative maxHR for a 60-year old.

Let me correct your slightly flawed mathematics. 205.8 - 0.685 * 59.5 gives 165.0

Actually, I am 59.7, not 59.5.



ranger

[ranger]

what's the use?

How fast you can row for 60min?

Mike VB can do about 16K.

I can do 17.3K.

The difference is 8 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[Citroen]

Yea, the revised formula, 205.8 - .685 x age, gives 164.7 as the normative maxHR for a 60-year old.

Let me correct your slightly flawed mathematics. 205.8 - 0.685 * 59.5 gives 165.0

Actually, I am 59.7, not 59.5.



ranger

Thanks for clarifying that. Nice to know YOU ARE NOT YET SIXTY.

[Citroen]

what's the use?

How fast you can row for 60min?

Amazingly I think you'll find it takes everyone just about an hour to row 60min.

The question should be "What distance can you row in 60mins?", but we don't expect clear, accurate, concise or precise English from you, it's not as if you're a sixty year old English professor.

[ranger]

Also, you continually ignore stroke volume when you compare to others.

No, I'm not.

What else explains why Mike VB is _13_ seconds per 500m slower than those who are just his size but younger?

Loss of aerobic capacity.

This year, I will try to narrow this gap between young and old to _4_ seconds per 500m.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Also, you continually ignore stroke volume when you compare to others.

No, I'm not.

What else explains why Mike VB is _13_ seconds per 500m slower than those who are just his size but younger?

To be precise: No one on the erg has any pace per 500m. Ergers move back and forth on a slide. Their net progress in any direction realative to the floor below is 0 (zero) meters.
What they do, precisely is generate revolutions of a sprocket. The total revolutions are used as data for a paradigm programmed into a micro-chip.
This program does not account for all the physical realities of real rowing.

I, as a rower, not an erger, am faster than anyone my age (55-59)in the United States and this includes all weights. I also have the fastest 55-59 lwt 60' erg piece every submitted to the ranking at 1 hour.

Rich: Stop making me brag. I suggest you stick to hypothesizing about yourself.

[JimR]

... I would guess ...

You seem to guess at a lot of things ... is your guessing like "assuming"???

JimR

[JimR]

... Ranger, it's a bit unclear to me but I think you're in full sharpening mode now ...

I think at this point the most we all know is that ranger is starting to talk more about sharpening. I'm not sure if this means sharpening has actually begun. To determine that we would need timed pieces ... which means racing your training ... which is bad.

Does that mean sharpening is bad?!

JimR

[JimR]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.

mamimum? - is that a new word from the world of poetry

Is this a reference to someone's mom's anatomy?

JimR