Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » September 22nd, 2010, 3:54 am

ranger wrote:High drag? Oh no, not me. For shame! But blah blah blah blah blah blah and more blah and MORE BETTER SPI!!!!!!!!

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Dingleberry, I think you got a fever. And the only prescription... is more SPI!

7 1/2 weeks to BIRC. Sharpening much?
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All time PBs: 100m 14.0 | 500m 1:18.1 | 1k 2:55.7 | 2k 6:15.4 | 5k 16:59.3 | 6k 20:46.5 | 10k 35:46.0
40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 3:59 am

BTW, given that, if I hold my technique together, my stroke is now naturally 14.5 SPI at high drag, if I do a 500m trial at high drag, I will pull 1:23 @ 42 spm (14.5 SPI).

For a little lightweight like me, 42 spm is a very reasonable rate for a 500m trial.

So.

This is another 2K predictor that I need to get after.

500m @ 1:23, max drag, 14.5 SPI, 42 spm.

55 strokes?

Just a bit under 10 MPS!

1:23 @ 36 spm (17 SPI) is 10 MPS.

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RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 500m | Men's | Lightweight | All Ages | 2010 Season

Toni Pyykkö 37 Ylöjärvi FIN 1:23.0 IND
Chris Kemp 20 Evans GA USA 1:24.7 IND
1 Matt Owen 22 Project Deliverance MO USA 1:25.1 IND
2 Markku Henriksson 46 Oulu FIN 1:26.1 IND
3 Ryan Furey 17 USA 1:26.4 RACE
3 Gary Homann 40 Columbia MO USA 1:26.4 IND
3 Nick Hudson 45 Sheffield GBR 1:26.4 IND
3 Pekka Nieminen 28 Imatra FIN 1:26.4 IND
7 André Costa 33 Porto Alegre RS BRA 1:26.7 IND
8 Mark Tinkler 25 preston GBR 1:26.8 IND
9 Jake Mercuri 20 Cincinnati OH USA 1:27.6 IND
9 Edward Montgomery 25 North Little Rock AR USA 1:27.6 IND

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 4:15 am

1:23 would be a 60s lwt WR by seven seconds.

It would also be a 50s, 40s, 30s, and 20s lwt WR.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Flipper21 » September 22nd, 2010, 4:22 am

Actually, having read all this guff for quite some considerable time annd that said in slighlty emabarrassed mode. I have to take my hat off to some excellent fastidious reporting by Byron, MVB and Nav.

Some great accurate accounts and dissection of the ratios of erging and rowing in a nutshell. Here we have real knowledge beyond the average rower and an invaluable insight to all the mechanics involved with the body, mind and Erg.

I think Ranger has also surpassed himself in his new found ways of ignoring everything positive given to him (FREE at that). Ranger needs no coach as he used all the credible information from all of the above and more, to try and improve his methodology. Unfortunately he is on a spiral downwards because you cannot teach and old dog new tricks. As Lancs has often said...'the virtual PB is on its way'.

Brave souls will no doubt continue their quest to enlighten the enlightened one.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 4:38 am

flipper21 wrote:I think Ranger has also surpassed himself in his new found ways of ignoring everything positive given to him
There is nothing more for me to attend to or ignore.

My training is complete.

Fait accompli.

I now row perfectly (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.) for a lightweight of any age.

For the next six months, I will just sharpening to race.

Everyone sharpens in pretty much the same way for pretty much the same benefit.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » September 22nd, 2010, 5:00 am

ranger wrote: The stroke contour that I posted is what I use in _all_ of my rowing, including my 2K racing.
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Name a single 2K, race or not, that you've rowed using that stroke contour.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » September 22nd, 2010, 5:21 am

PaulH wrote:
ranger wrote: The stroke contour that I posted is what I use in _all_ of my rowing, including my 2K racing.
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Name a single 2K, race or not, that you've rowed using that stroke contour.
Never mind 2k, he's not even done 500m continuously with that stroke contour...

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 22nd, 2010, 6:49 am

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One of the ongoing wonders about ranger claims is that he expects us to even entertain that they might be true.

Take the "my training is complete" vs "I haven't started sharpening yet" problem... :? :? :?

Or how about those screen shots showing a "dramatic" force curve...vs ... only a very few meters on the counter... vs ...never posting an IND_V of the piece in question so we can verify overall stroke rate and average watts...

Ain't the internet great? You can be a "world beater" alone at home at the touch of a laptop.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 22nd, 2010, 7:00 am

Flipper21 wrote:Actually, having read all this guff for quite some considerable time annd that said in slighlty emabarrassed mode. I have to take my hat off to some excellent fastidious reporting by Byron, MVB and Nav.

Some great accurate accounts and dissection of the ratios of erging and rowing in a nutshell. Here we have real knowledge beyond the average rower and an invaluable insight to all the mechanics involved with the body, mind and Erg.

I think Ranger has also surpassed himself in his new-found ways of ignoring everything positive given to him (FREE at that). Ranger needs no coach as he used all the credible information from all of the above and more, to try and improve his methodology. Unfortunately he is on a spiral downwards because you cannot teach and old dog new tricks. As Lancs has often said...'the virtual PB is on its way'.

Brave souls will no doubt continue their quest to enlighten the enlightened one.
One thing I ignore (and shouldn't): ranger is the best 2k erger among cohorts... or, should I say, "co-hurts"... That is: He trains so very hard and turns in the best or nearly the best time at 2k once a year.

He is to be congratulated for that one thing. Nothing else that I can think of... :P

Can anyone start a list of things we should congratulate him for? :D
We've got to keep an atmosphere of ( :P :P :P ) going here.... :mrgreen:

Here: Let me give this a try:.... (it's hard...)

errr....ranger! thank you and congratulations! You allow me to enjoy my morning coffee before going about my day! You're the best!!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 7:07 am

mikvan52 wrote:One thing I ignore (and shouldn't): ranger is the best 2k erger among cohorts... or, should I say, "co-hurts"... That is: He trains so very hard and turns in the best or nearly the best time at 2k once a year.
Lately, 6:41, pretty much WR pace, rowing badly at max drag, and without even preparing for it.

Rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag(200+ df.) but fully prepared, I pull 6:30.

Rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), and fully prepared, at BIRC 2010, I think I'll pull 6:20.

At WIRC 2011, I think I'll pull 6:16.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 7:10 am

mikvan52 wrote:He is to be congratulated for that one thing.
Sure, if I pull a lwt 6:20 at BIRC 2010, as I think I will, I will be happy to accept congratulations.

It will be quite an accomplishment.

It's a little premature to accept congratulations now, though.

I still have two months of sharpening to do, this time, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

I haven't sharpened since 2003.

Until now, I have never rowed well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 22nd, 2010, 7:34 am

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:One thing I ignore (and shouldn't): ranger is the best 2k erger among cohorts... or, should I say, "co-hurts"... That is: He trains so very hard and turns in the best or nearly the best time at 2k once a year.
Lately, 6:41, pretty much WR pace, rowing badly at max drag, and without even preparing for it.

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hmmm the facts are that you had to row 5/6 races and only once could ge in the low 6.40 and after that is was gone. It was after hard sharpening and in topform :wink:

And that you tried lower drag first but had to ramp it up to get your 6.4xx

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 22nd, 2010, 7:53 am

hjs wrote:hmmm the facts are that you had to row 5/6 races and only once could ge in the low 6.40 and after that is was gone. It was after hard sharpening and in topform
No, it was without sharpening at all.

That's why it took a while to get my time down.

In any event, I suspect the races were only AT.

I didn't do any anaerobic training.

This last year, I also pulled my 2Ks at max drag, which was a mistake.

All of these problems will have no bearing on BIRC 2010.

At BIRC 2010, I will row well (12-13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), fully prepared.

Hopefully, at 36 spm, in a 3-to-1 ratio.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 22nd, 2010, 8:32 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:hmmm the facts are that you had to row 5/6 races and only once could ge in the low 6.40 and after that is was gone. It was after hard sharpening and in topform
No, it was without sharpening at all.

That's why it took a while to get my time down.


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:lol: :lol: racing is not anaerobe ?? right, all those race you did the last years and in which you blew up you could have easily kept the pace going if would have gona anaerobe :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » September 22nd, 2010, 8:47 am

ranger wrote: I haven't sharpened since 2003.
Based on your claims you train to a level most consider excessive in your commendable attempt to rewrite the record books.

You travel thousands of miles to race venues hoping for the elusive performance your efforts richly deserve.

You clearly understand the benefits of sharpening.

The above statement therefore indicates that you are either not that bright or far more likely not averse to the occasional untruth.
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