Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 3rd, 2010, 4:44 am

ranger wrote:would be
Here we go again. Fasten your seat beats...
The "daybreak conditional" vs the "daybreak actual"
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 3rd, 2010, 4:56 am

macroth wrote:ranger is a gifted erger who needs to overcome various psychological issues to perform at his best.
I don't think that what I have done over the last five years has much of anything to do with my physical "gifts" or my psychology.

What I have done has to do with my technique.

As an early 50s lwt, I used to pull 10 SPI at 200+ drag.

I now pull 13 SPI at 118 df.

My training over the last five years has transformed my leveraging.

I have learned how to row well.

At 13 SPI, the 60s lwt WR comes along at right around 27 spm.

At 13 SPI, the 40s lwt WR comes along at 32 spm.

The 50s lwt WR, 55s lwt WR, 55s hwt WR, and 60s hwt WR lie in between.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 3rd, 2010, 5:05 am

macroth wrote:ranger is a gifted erger who needs to overcome various psychological issues to perform at his best.
He does perform at his best................... But he will not admit that. He lies about everything, every winter he builds his form from plus 7.00 to 64x.x form. But that is always the end of it. That is his formpeak which he can,t keep for long. He sharpens hard to get there, whatever that may be :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 3rd, 2010, 5:06 am

OTErg, my work on technique is done.

Now, I am training to race.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » September 3rd, 2010, 5:15 am

hjs wrote:
macroth wrote:ranger is a gifted erger who needs to overcome various psychological issues to perform at his best.
He does perform at his best................... But he will not admit that. He lies about everything, every winter he builds his form from plus 7.00 to 64x.x form. But that is always the end of it. That is his formpeak which he can,t keep for long. He sharpens hard to get there, whatever that may be :wink:
Maybe you're right. I'm working on the assumption (with a capital ass, since this is ranger we're talking about) that he doesn't sharpen as hard as he should. Just more middling intensity RWB, which he pretty much does year round. I think that he hasn't dared to really sharpen and face the music these past few years. Maybe this year:
deranged wrote:OTErg, my work on technique is done.
:D We've heard that several times before!
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 3rd, 2010, 5:34 am

IMO: The main thing we're experiencing here(?)

... a bunch of older men trying to hold on to numbers and predictions instead of the reality of slowing down.

ranger and anyone who fits his profile does not have 1:24 500m erg speed now and never will again......w/o such speed an indoor rower cannot do 6:16...

6:28 has a similar requirement.

The WR for 50-54 lwts is held by Paul Siebach. (what is it? 6:25.4? LOOK IT UP, I'm relying on an older man's memory :lol: ).. Can anyone reasonably thinK that a person two age groups later will match or beat that?

No.

This whole thread is based on a hoax or old men dreaming of faster days... Your choice!... :arrow: :|

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » September 3rd, 2010, 5:39 am

When Ranger did the WR rows in 2003, what was the gap allowed between weighing in and competing?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 3rd, 2010, 5:40 am

macroth wrote:
hjs wrote:
macroth wrote:ranger is a gifted erger who needs to overcome various psychological issues to perform at his best.
He does perform at his best................... But he will not admit that. He lies about everything, every winter he builds his form from plus 7.00 to 64x.x form. But that is always the end of it. That is his formpeak which he can,t keep for long. He sharpens hard to get there, whatever that may be :wink:
Maybe you're right. I'm working on the assumption (with a capital ass, since this is ranger we're talking about) that he doesn't sharpen as hard as he should. Just more middling intensity RWB, which he pretty much does year round. I think that he hasn't dared to really sharpen and face the music these past few years. Maybe this year:
He sharpens by racing. He digs deep every race. That is sharpening, not what calls "sharpening" that would be distroying yourself.

What he does during the summer I don,t know, but looking at his his recent pics, he certainly does not work out 3 hours a day. You can,t become that fat in so short a time doing that much work. I think he just plays around a bit no more. Good thing he does, if he really did what he says he would never be able to keep going for so long. He simply lies about verything. Which in itself is not easy to do. :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 3rd, 2010, 5:41 am

redzone wrote:When Ranger did the WR rows in 2003, what was the gap allowed between weighing in and competing?
It was random.
I competed at Crash-B as a lwt in that era and there was zero enforcement of any time restriction...

And... to this day, many "satellite" qualifying races devote little energy to enforcing controls on the "2 hr" C2 weigh-in rule.
I know, because I've inadvertently broken the rule again and again.
I my case it doesn't matter because of my low, un-sweated-out, weight.
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American 60's Lwt. 2k record (6:49) •• set WRs for 60' & FM •• ~ now surpassed
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » September 3rd, 2010, 5:54 am

hjs wrote:
He sharpens by racing. He digs deep every race. That is sharpening, not what calls "sharpening" that would be distroying yourself.

What he does during the summer I don,t know, but looking at his his recent pics, he certainly does not work out 3 hours a day. You can,t become that fat in so short a time doing that much work. I think he just plays around a bit no more. Good thing he does, if he really did what he says he would never be able to keep going for so long. He simply lies about verything. Which in itself is not easy to do. :wink:
Well, just racing yourself into shape is not the best strategy. I'm not saying he should do what he calls sharpening, but he could certainly improve his preparation before racing season.

And while I share everybody's doubts about his LW status, BF% and overall training volume, he's not exactly fat. No need to exaggerate, he does it well enough on his own. :wink:

And I agree that his constant lying is an impressive feat! :D
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 3rd, 2010, 6:03 am

macroth wrote:
And while I share everybody's doubts about his LW status, BF% and overall training volume, he's not exactly fat. No need to exaggerate, he does it well enough on his own. :wink:
Not fat fat, but for someone who needs to be at 10% at age 60 he is fat. at least 20% bodyfat and he ways 83/84 kg in the pics he shows.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 3rd, 2010, 6:33 am

macroth wrote:I for one am interested to see if he can row sub 6:40 within the next year or so.
Yea, 6:20 is my goal for BIRC.

Three months of sharpening to do before the end of November.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » September 3rd, 2010, 6:54 am

ranger wrote:
Yea, I'd like to fly away on a winged unicorn and touch a rainbow.
(translated from rangerspeak)

That's nice, dear.
Three months of sharpening to do before the end of November.

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I know that time behaves strangely in your garage (must be the black hole created by your numerous ranked IND_Vs), so just to be accurate you have 11 weeks and two days ahead of you. Good luck for your 6:37 2K. Eyes on the prize!
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 3rd, 2010, 7:10 am

redzone wrote:When Ranger did the WR rows in 2003, what was the gap allowed between weighing in and competing?
Veteran races are early in the big events--WIRC (6:30) and BIRC (6:28).

Weigh-ins usually open at 7 a.m. and races are usually around 9 a.m.

In my 2003 USIRT trial (6:29), I weighed in just a few minutes before I raced.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » September 3rd, 2010, 7:53 am

ranger wrote: Weigh-ins usually open at 7 a.m. and races are usually around 9 a.m.

In my 2003 USIRT trial (6:29), I weighed in just a few minutes before I raced.

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For BIRC and CRASH-Bs if your race is at 9:00am the very latest time you can weigh-in and get a LWT stamp is 8:00am. Weigh-ins start 2hrs before at 7:00am. That's to stop folks sweating it off and not having enough time to rehydrate, thus putting themselves at risk of a trip to A&E (or the ER as you call it).

When you fail the weigh-in you can row as HWT but that's as a "bullpen" entry and you won't be eligible for a HWT medal even if you did beat the fastest 55-59 HWT.

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