Fish Game

[old] holladay · Post by **[old] holladay** » January 25th, 2006, 4:44 pm

Oh wow. I went home at lunch today with a laptop to load up the fish game. I did row 6 K before trying the game. I was up to 11 K by the time I quit and oooh do I feel it! I tried sinking to the bottom to avoid the BIG BLACK piranhas but no luck. They got me there! The good news is that all you have to do is avoid the fish’s jaws. So once the jaw goes by you can start to move up and down. The bad news is that you have to get the jaw of the yummy striped fish on the jaw too. ALTHOUGH I would argue that I could "eat" a yummy fish even if I only crossed his middle. SUGGESTION: More time before the fish game times out to "just row". I got the settings, started the fish game and reached for the handle and the game was gone. I HATE intervals. What a sneaky way to get me to do them. My average pace was higher than I normally row. I did feel like a race car driver though. I must admit my form was bad. Sometimes in the middle of the recovery I had to quickly push back to avoid the piranhas. AND I did not feel I could sink or accelerate quickly enough. Hmm. I guess more practice is needed. Rats. My friends can't believe I have a video game in my exercise equipment! Way to go Concept 2! Susan

[old] c2jonw · Post by **[old] c2jonw** » January 25th, 2006, 5:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(holladay @ Jan 25 2006, 08:44 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Oh wow. I went home at lunch today with a laptop to load up the fish game. I did row 6 K before trying the game. I was up to 11 K by the time I quit and oooh do I feel it! I tried sinking to the bottom to avoid the BIG BLACK piranhas but no luck. They got me there! The good news is that all you have to do is avoid the fish’s jaws. So once the jaw goes by you can start to move up and down. The bad news is that you have to get the jaw of the yummy striped fish on the jaw too. ALTHOUGH I would argue that I could "eat" a yummy fish even if I only crossed his middle. SUGGESTION: More time before the fish game times out to "just row". I got the settings, started the fish game and reached for the handle and the game was gone. I HATE intervals. What a sneaky way to get me to do them. My average pace was higher than I normally row. I did feel like a race car driver though. I must admit my form was bad. Sometimes in the middle of the recovery I had to quickly push back to avoid the piranhas. AND I did not feel I could sink or accelerate quickly enough. Hmm. I guess more practice is needed. Rats. My friends can't believe I have a video game in my exercise equipment! Way to go Concept 2! Susan </td></tr></table> Hi Susan- I'm a little baffled by the circumstances around your SUGGESTION. Do you mean you were recording your score from a previous game and then went to restart it, but it blanked out? Some more details please, and thanks for the feedback. What was your high score? JonW

[old] holladay · Post by **[old] holladay** » January 25th, 2006, 5:15 pm

Hi Jon, I was using the menu on the PM3. Main Menu > More Options on your PM3 and select Play Fish Game. The game begins once you begin rowing. Well I had a hard time starting to row soon enough. If you don't pull the handle instantly, the PM3 goes quickly to "the typical" just row set up. I could do it. It just took me a bit to get started. I did have my computer hooked up and was running RowPro in just row. I don't know if that was the problem. Also, on my second game of go Fish, my rowpro closed with an error. (I'll pay more attention to the wording of the error messages and send them to you next time. I was just too focused on getting a better score.) The third game the rowpro froze up. Row Pro is not nessary to play the game but I was using the PM twin for the data. (Of course, it can just be my computer and not the combination of Go Fish and RowPro.) I think my highest score was 325. It went down hill from there. I had trouble getting my fish to move fast enough. What fun. Thanks. Susan Susan

[old] c2jonw · Post by **[old] c2jonw** » January 25th, 2006, 6:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(holladay @ Jan 25 2006, 09:15 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Jon, I was using the menu on the PM3. Main Menu > More Options on your PM3 and select Play Fish Game. The game begins once you begin rowing. Well I had a hard time starting to row soon enough. If you don't pull the handle instantly, the PM3 goes quickly to "the typical" just row set up. I could do it. It just took me a bit to get started. I did have my computer hooked up and was running RowPro in just row. I don't know if that was the problem. Also, on my second game of go Fish, my rowpro closed with an error. (I'll pay more attention to the wording of the error messages and send them to you next time. I was just too focused on getting a better score.) The third game the rowpro froze up. Row Pro is not nessary to play the game but I was using the PM twin for the data. (Of course, it can just be my computer and not the combination of Go Fish and RowPro.) I think my highest score was 325. It went down hill from there. I had trouble getting my fish to move fast enough. What fun. Thanks. Susan Susan </td></tr></table> Thanks Susan- I would bet that Rowpro is messing things up. Typically once you have selected PLAY FISH GAME you get the Fish screen and it will wait (probably up to 4 minutes) for you to start. Like we said before, it's a beta release, and we appreciate your trying it out......JonW

[old] ehagberg · Post by **[old] ehagberg** » January 25th, 2006, 7:04 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2jonw @ Jan 25 2006, 05:06 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Thanks Susan- I would bet that Rowpro is messing things up. Typically once you have selected PLAY FISH GAME you get the Fish screen and it will wait (probably up to 4 minutes) for you to start. Like we said before, it's a beta release, and we appreciate your trying it out......JonW </td></tr></table> Yeah, if RowPro is running and just sitting there in "when you're ready, pull the handle to start your Just Row session" mode, it'll take the PM3 out of whatever mode you've set it to in order to get it set for your Just Row session, like you've asked it to. You can't have RowPro and the Fish Game running at the same time. RowPro will not honor your game. It isn't a bug in the Fish Game at all.

[old] c2scott · Post by **[old] c2scott** » January 25th, 2006, 8:27 pm

I'll pass on some feedback to the RowPro folks. I think though this falls under the category of: A) It's a beta to see if the idea catches on, if people like it, hate it, use it, don't use it, etc. We did not deliberately break anything, but we also did not test RowPro, RowIT, Venue Racing, or much else, other than it was logging workouts properly. I'd say once you turn off RowPro it'll work just fine. - Scott

[old] woolsmith · Post by **[old] woolsmith** » January 25th, 2006, 9:19 pm

Hi C2jon! I think y'all are on to something here, I love this game! I got 1230 points on my first try out. I kept screaming when a barracuda (or whatever the toothy things are!) got close to me though--which made the Chihuahua and the spousal unit go nuts. I'm going to need noise-blocking headphones for the hubba. Thanks! What other kinds of games are you coming up with? --Jen in WI (I'm going to pretend the toothy things are Muskies, and I'm a Perch )

[old] holladay · Post by **[old] holladay** » January 25th, 2006, 9:25 pm

Yep. It was a fight for control. With the computer disconnected, I had lots of time to get started. PLUS my fish was much more responsive. I went from maxing around 550 points (when it was connected to rowpro) to 1530 points tonight. I do strongly recommend thorough stretching after playing especially for us new ergers! Susan My husband suggested a skiing game.

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » January 25th, 2006, 9:49 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2scott @ Jan 25 2006, 04:27 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'll pass on some feedback to the RowPro folks. I think though this falls under the category of: A) It's a beta to see if the idea catches on, if people like it, hate it, use it, don't use it, etc. We did not deliberately break anything, but we also did not test RowPro, RowIT, Venue Racing, or much else, other than it was logging workouts properly. I'd say once you turn off RowPro it'll work just fine. - Scott </td></tr></table> Hadn't gotten around to writing it up yet, but I found that if I did what is being reported here and then again called up the Fish Game (so I could see my rowing on the Rowpro screen while chasing those fish), when the game finished, Rowpro was thoroughly unresponsive (though it did show the same average pace and total meters as the logcard). Bill

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » January 26th, 2006, 6:34 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2jonw @ Jan 18 2006, 05:19 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>New high score- 2385! JonW </td></tr></table> What stroke rate and pace was that at? I go 1620 on my fourth go. A few observations: 1. shouldn't the big fish score lower than the little fish (that how it used to work with the big rock vs the little rock in Asteroids ? Make the small fish harder to catch. 2. I think I can cheat, by pulling a few gentle strokes to start it then seems to make the whole game easier. If I pull a few big strong strokes then the game seems harder. How about a preset level? 3. If I stop rowing can you pause the clock? 4. Can you make the score for the fish variable? How about proportional to the number of watts on the last stroke? 5. Can we have the occasional harder target - like in Space Invaders when the mothership scoots across the top of the screen? (Send in Spongebob Squarepants on a random basis.) 6. Can the PM3 store a league table so we can see who has the overall highest score? Just store three character initials - like the old video games. 7. Can we have the scoreboard show # of small fish, # of big fish and # of pirahna? Excellent fun and I did altogether too many 4' intervals this morning.

[old] c2jonw · Post by **[old] c2jonw** » January 26th, 2006, 8:53 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Citroen @ Jan 26 2006, 10:34 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2jonw @ Jan 18 2006, 05:19 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>New high score- 2385! JonW </td></tr></table> What stroke rate and pace was that at? I go 1620 on my fourth go. A few observations: 1. shouldn't the big fish score lower than the little fish (that how it used to work with the big rock vs the little rock in Asteroids ? Make the small fish harder to catch. 2. I think I can cheat, by pulling a few gentle strokes to start it then seems to make the whole game easier. If I pull a few big strong strokes then the game seems harder. How about a preset level? 3. If I stop rowing can you pause the clock? 4. Can you make the score for the fish variable? How about proportional to the number of watts on the last stroke? 5. Can we have the occasional harder target - like in Space Invaders when the mothership scoots across the top of the screen? (Send in Spongebob Squarepants on a random basis.) 6. Can the PM3 store a league table so we can see who has the overall highest score? Just store three character initials - like the old video games. 7. Can we have the scoreboard show # of small fish, # of big fish and # of pirahna? Excellent fun and I did altogether too many 4' intervals this morning. </td></tr></table> Citroen, Not sure what pace I was at for the 2385, but I have surpassed that score with a 2535. Average pace was slower than 2:00/500. 1 Since this is a predator/prey game we felt it made more sense to have the larger prey be of higher value than the smaller. Note the large prey move quicker than the small. 2 This is not cheating. The intent of the game is to give people of all strength levels a chance to do well. 3 Will put that on our to discuss list. 4 ditto 5 ditto 6 High score tables have been talked about. We could have a high score (or say the top 10) held in the monitor, and your score stored with the workout on the logcard. These are both feasible but would take some work. Also being discussed is a Fish Game ranking on our website..... 7 We can discuss, although we hope to keep the scoring as simple as possible without any qualifications. Is a score of 1900 at 1:45 any "better" than a score of 2200 at 2:10? Glad to hear this has been a motivator for you. have fun.......JonW

[old] c2jonw · Post by **[old] c2jonw** » January 26th, 2006, 8:54 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Citroen @ Jan 26 2006, 10:34 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2jonw @ Jan 18 2006, 05:19 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>New high score- 2385! JonW </td></tr></table> What stroke rate and pace was that at? I go 1620 on my fourth go. A few observations: 1. shouldn't the big fish score lower than the little fish (that how it used to work with the big rock vs the little rock in Asteroids ? Make the small fish harder to catch. 2. I think I can cheat, by pulling a few gentle strokes to start it then seems to make the whole game easier. If I pull a few big strong strokes then the game seems harder. How about a preset level? 3. If I stop rowing can you pause the clock? 4. Can you make the score for the fish variable? How about proportional to the number of watts on the last stroke? 5. Can we have the occasional harder target - like in Space Invaders when the mothership scoots across the top of the screen? (Send in Spongebob Squarepants on a random basis.) 6. Can the PM3 store a league table so we can see who has the overall highest score? Just store three character initials - like the old video games. 7. Can we have the scoreboard show # of small fish, # of big fish and # of pirahna? Excellent fun and I did altogether too many 4' intervals this morning. </td></tr></table> Citroen, Not sure what pace I was at for the 2385, but I have surpassed that score with a 2535. Average pace was slower than 2:00/500. 1 Since this is a predator/prey game we felt it made more sense to have the larger prey be of higher value than the smaller. Note the large prey move quicker than the small. 2 This is not cheating. The intent of the game is to give people of all strength levels a chance to do well. 3 Will put that on our to discuss list. 4 ditto 5 ditto 6 High score tables have been talked about. We could have a high score (or say the top 10) held in the monitor, and your score stored with the workout on the logcard. These are both feasible but would take some work. Also being discussed is a Fish Game ranking on our website..... 7 We can discuss, although we hope to keep the scoring as simple as possible without any qualifications. Is a score of 1900 at 1:45 any "better" than a score of 2200 at 2:10? Glad to hear this has been a motivator for you. have fun.......JonW

[old] c2jonw · Post by **[old] c2jonw** » January 26th, 2006, 8:56 am

oops, sorry about the double post.......

[old] LBusch · Post by **[old] LBusch** » January 26th, 2006, 4:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(c2scott @ Jan 25 2006, 08:27 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'll pass on some feedback to the RowPro folks. I think though this falls under the category of: A) It's a beta to see if the idea catches on, if people like it, hate it, use it, don't use it, etc. We did not deliberately break anything, but we also did not test RowPro, RowIT, Venue Racing, or much else, other than it was logging workouts properly. I'd say once you turn off RowPro it'll work just fine. - Scott </td></tr></table> Scott, Just thought I would let you know that the game seems to work just fine with RowIT. Each game is recorded as seperate workout and the distance, pace, power, etc. are recorded. The only strange occurance is that sometimes RowIT records the time as 3:59 instead of 4:00. Personally I have been having problems with the auto adjust feature. I usually try to take a couple of easy strokes at the begining of the game to set the pace at a resonable level but some game is seems like I can't get off the bottom to save my life (or my fishes life) and others it seems like the slightest pull sends me flying upward. Usually after a minute or two the game seems to reach a balance point where I seem to have more control but by then I have been eaten several time and lost half my time. It makes me wish that I could program a starting pace and have the game adjust from there. I haven't noticed anyone else complaining about this so maybe I need more practice. Larry

[old] grams · Post by **[old] grams** » January 28th, 2006, 9:08 pm

I agree Larry, it seems as though the first 3rd of the game is an adjustment period. Fish gods, please don't tie the score to wattage. That would remove the smaller weaker (but still game) fish participants. We all want to score big no matter how small we are. grams

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