6:28 2K

[leadville]

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Ranger - "Over the next five weeks, you will have the results of my training this year, both in races and in training, when I have been preparing to race, doing both distance rowing and sharpening."

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yep, and so will you, and the house of cards you built will come crashing down.

the closer the day of reckoning gets, the more vituperative our ranger gets!

Ranger, if you're so confident, why haven't you taken Mike up on his bet?

Well? Seems like a pretty good way to make a fast $100k.

For Mike, that is!

[mikvan52]

6:41 at 58 IS A FINE RESULT

it is the equivalent of a 6:17 2K.

So: "It's been "explained" ", said the fox licking his chops, " 6:41 is the equivalent of 6:17"...

Oh Nurse! Get the needle ready. We don't want the patient to go into shock.


Ricky: 6:41 is the equivalent of 6:41 (!)

[hjs]

About that bet...

Henry:
I'll be able to retire for life!
Every year at least one gullible person will come forth with their $100k and bet.
Why wouldn't they? Ricky's 180 pages of drivel will have convinced them of that "the truth machine" will speak the wisdom of the RWB/DLS Foundational/SPI jabberwocky/RANGER training. N'est ce pas?

It's a dead-cold solid lock investment scheme on my part!

As any mave-ricky would say: "I'm pleased with this."

yep who knows, maybe you are so lucky. would be nice

[chgoss]

before this Sunday, I pull 60min, 1:47 @ 26-28 at 80% HRR and do 8 x 500m, 3:30 rest @ 1:34?

As I will?

Rich are you saying that before Sunday 2/7/10, you are going to post a pic of:
1) 16,822m in 60min
2) 8 x 500m, 3:30rest @ 1:34

Is that what you are saying? Yes/No? I dont need any lecture about how easy it is, or how you did so an so back in whenever..

just yes or no.

[mikvan52]

Seeing my age, C2 actually wrote me to ask whether I had made a mistake.

They thought I had entered the wrong race.

Nope.

Proving, I suppose, that someone's "thinking" or "supposing" or "should-ing" can be wrong....

~ ~ ~ "mave-ricks" excluded,.... of course...

Oh, lest I forget, .... I don't care what noises come out of the bat-cave.

My bet stands for the rest of our lives.

Especially the part about guaranteed funds, money in advance. all bets settled every May 1st.
You and John could go together for one bet... $50k each, for example.

... my two little oysters strolling down the beach behind the walrus and the carpenter (Paul S and mikvan52 are the walrus and the carpenter) I wonder who those oysters are?

Shall I send your broker wiring instructions?

No one eats a dead oyster and lives to tell.

"sometimes I ask myself, "Am I right; Am I wrong"...

"sometimes I say: 'My God, What Have I DONE!'
~ Talking Heads, DAVID BYRNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-io-kZKl_BI

BOSTON IS A GREAT PLACE TO WATCH ROCK AND ROLL

[ranger]

OPEN BET: ranger will not ever row a 6:28.0 or better again in his life as a lightweight obeying the 2hr rule for weighins!
I will take bets of $100,000.00 or more only. I'll give odds if you wish.
Money has to put up in advance an held by a neutral party. My check is ready. I'll have it bank certified as will be required of anyone betting against me. Bets will be renewed and made year by year. Accounts to be settled on May 1 of each C2 year... (I have an aversion to perpetuities!)

These bets are not very symmetrical and really don't have any parallel in the betting world.

Clearly, it is easier to bet someone is _not_ going to revise the history of a sport in a sweeping gesture, breaking a WR by 10-26 seconds, than it is to do the deed.

Getting myself into a position to do the deed has taken seven years of preparation, starting from WR levels, about 60 million meters of rowing.

Doing a deed of this sort also depends on avoiding all the other accidents of life, including the life of sports--sickness, injury, staleness, job pressures, travel, etc.

I am not sure what your bet against me costs you other than the expression of more ill will, which you might regret, as a personal, social, and in your case, perhaps professional, faux pas, if you turn up wrong.

For those who value an accomplishment and understand that it is _very_ difficult to achieve, the more standard gesture is to set up a prize, if you are so convinced that the deed can't be done. That is more symmetrical, I think.

So why not do that?

If I don't reach my goal, I will have wasted an unusual amount of time and effort, and I will experience considerable personal embarrassment, given what I have said about my possibilities of success.

On the other hand, if you turn out to be wrong about the possibilities of my success, you lose your money (and I get a reward for being right).

Sounds good to me!

ranger

[ranger]

before this Sunday, I pull 60min, 1:47 @ 26-28 at 80% HRR and do 8 x 500m, 3:30 rest @ 1:34?

As I will?

Rich are you saying that before Sunday 2/7/10, you are going to post a pic of:
1) 16,822m in 60min
2) 8 x 500m, 3:30rest @ 1:34

Is that what you are saying? Yes/No? I dont need any lecture about how easy it is, or how you did so an so back in whenever..

just yes or no.

Yes.

ranger

[chgoss]

before this Sunday, I pull 60min, 1:47 @ 26-28 at 80% HRR and do 8 x 500m, 3:30 rest @ 1:34?

As I will?

Rich are you saying that before Sunday 2/7/10, you are going to post a pic of:
1) 16,822m in 60min
2) 8 x 500m, 3:30rest @ 1:34

Is that what you are saying? Yes/No? I dont need any lecture about how easy it is, or how you did so an so back in whenever..

just yes or no.

Yes.

ranger

So, question: are you answering 'yes' because:
A. You're aware that this is about the same difficulty as the 500m in 1min 27.5 seconds and 10,000m in 36min 40sec that you couldnt do last Friday, but you're determined to do this to show that you are capable of a sub 6:30 2k
or
B. Saying 'yes' costs you nothing, and it serves to generate more traffic on the 6:28 thread..

[mikvan52]

These bets are not very symmetrical and really don't have any parallel in the betting world.

Clearly, it is easier to bet someone is _not_ going to revise the history of a sport in a sweeping gesture, breaking a WR by 10-26 seconds, than it is to do the deed.

"Clearly" you are avoiding the bet.

Point made.

As to "symmetrical"...?.... IS that in the poetic sense? I'm not talking about iambic pentameter her, ya know ............

Perhaps you'd do better to pay attn. to contract law.

Do you want a contract? Say a "PUT or a "CALL"
or... perhaps a Futures contract.
Will you take delivery or let the contract expire?... the way your claims will eventually.

Predict: Implies a "when" unless you certify that it's only a hypothetical prediction...

You seem to know nothing of the betting world.

Ever heard of the term "PLACE YOUR BETS"?... In such a realm
REAL money goes on a REAL table. Is that symetrical enough for you?

There once was a guy who said he could hit a golf ball a mile and took bets at odds... It had never been done...(Just like your 69 lwt 6:28)

He won.

He waited until it had been very cold for a long time and Lake Erie had frozen.
He waited, too, until he had a following wind and the ice was clear (no snow)

He hit the ball. It went a mile. Bet won.

My stipulations prevent a similar thing from happening with you.
NO early weigh-ins.
NO hwt results... etc.
a FINITE term to the bet

You can bet once each year if you choose...
Time's a wasting: Place your bets Mine is ready: I have the $100k and you do too.... or so you've said...


Where's the bet Ricky?
Or do you want to sell yourself short? All that training and prediction gone to waste.

Look, I know you won't bet... Everyone knows you won't.
You won't even tell us what your time goal is if you race this weekend.. in this format:

'My time will be faster than 6:XX.X for 2k'

"IF I" & "SHOULD" is all that you'll reveal.

Keep the thread going with hype! Why not use the bike-training ploy next.

[Byron Drachman]

There once was a guy who said he could hit a golf ball a mile and took bets at odds... It had never been done...(Just like your 69 lwt 6:28)

Hi Mike,

That was Amarillo Slim.

http://amarilloslim.org/default.aspx

Byron

[ranger]

My bet stands for the rest of our lives.

Really?

Can I hold you to this?

For instance, can I bet you I can row 6:28 after I row 6:20?

Or row 8 x 500 at 1:31.

Or row 17.5K for 60min, while pulling 1:24 for 500m and 1:42 for 10K?

If so, I'll take your bet in a minute.

There are some uncertainties in rowing, but not _that_ many.

So, hold onto your wallet, guy.

You might need it.

ranger

[ranger]

Look, I know you won't bet... Everyone knows you won't.

No, you don't know that at all.

If I row 6:20 at one of my regattas, I'll consider strongly taking your bet before the next regatta.

OK?

If I row 6:20, I think there is a pretty good possibiility that I can row 6:28 a week later (or two weeks later, or three weeks later).

ranger

[ranger]

So, question: are you answering 'yes' because:
A. You're aware that this is about the same difficulty as the 500m in 1min 27.5 seconds and 10,000m in 36min 40sec that you couldnt do last Friday, but you're determined to do this to show that you are capable of a sub 6:30 2k
or
B. Saying 'yes' costs you nothing, and it serves to generate more traffic on the 6:28 thread.

What races you do at home (or not) does not determine how you might race.

Your racing is determined by your training, not by your at-home racing.

In 2006, I was just doing foundational rowing.

So I did no at-home racing at all, clocked no pieces, recorded no times over distances rowed.

But I pulled 6:29 in a race.

No one my size and age (at the time, 55) had ever come close to pulling sub-6:30 before--or ever has since.

ranger

[whp4]

But I pulled 6:29 in a race.

Too bad at the time the clock read 6:29 the distance to go didn't read 0...

[chgoss]

So, question: are you answering 'yes' because:
A. You're aware that this is about the same difficulty as the 500m in 1min 27.5 seconds and 10,000m in 36min 40sec that you couldnt do last Friday, but you're determined to do this to show that you are capable of a sub 6:30 2k
or
B. Saying 'yes' costs you nothing, and it serves to generate more traffic on the 6:28 thread.

What races you do at home (or not) does not determine how you might race.

Your racing is determined by your training, not by your at-home racing.

OK, you're going with B., you realize you cant do it and you're already laying the groundwork for explaining why it isnt important that you do it.

So, in this case, even though you say you're going to do it, you know you arent.. Unlike last week, where I believe you actually thought you could do the 10,000m in 36min 40s, only to be shocked when you couldnt.

It can be very difficult sorting out which of your posts are troll-ish, and which are dellusional.