Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

Still waiting for those IND_V results to be posted.

I guess it will happen, but only after you turn 60 as that will make you look good relative to your competition.

No they won,t.

[mikvan52]

I just need to keep working my OTW technique until I can (have) massive losses at Masters Nationals.

I think I will row 1k at 38 spm. (I don't care that it may make me go slower than the other "F" scullers)

Others can't rate it up.

C'est dommage. (Shouldn't they be like me ?: 60 years old and still never backed into a stake boat)

I will wait until I think I can win a race before I even attempt one, even after over 5 years of sculling.

Unprecedented!

Hi Yo, Silver!

ranger

Ah yes! The plaintive cry of the handle-down bird permeates the morning mist on the River Huron... Very soothing.

Well, I hope at least his coffee is hot !

[ranger]

Just to stay as scrupulous about technique OTErg as I am trying to be OTW, I have settled on 12.5 SPI for all of my erging.

This is indeed rowing well (for a 60-year-old lightweight).

I'll need to do a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI).

To do this, I will have to keep my HR below 155 bpm/75% HRR.

Done at low drag (123 df.) with good OTW technique (hands high at the catch, full slide, relaxed shoulders, big legs, delayed back, quick arms, elbows in at the finish, quick hands and back out of backstops into prep position, controlled slide on the recovery back down to the next catch, etc.), this 12.5 SPI rowing produces a beautiful force contour--120 Newtons of peak power, flat (sustained) power at the top of the curve--then a smooth, straight line, 45 degree descent to the baseline.

ranger

[PaulH]

I am only faster than you over various distances because I can rate up.

Name two such distances.

[ranger]

The trouble with the maestro is he has to win the first time out.

Trouble?



When preparing well enough to win is considered "trouble," competitive sport has lost its way.

ranger

[ranger]

OTErg, Mike VB can't do 5K, 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI), much less a FM.

Other than me, no 60s, or near-60s, lightweight can.

A FM is done at 5K + 8.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Rich:

Backing into a stake boat can be an uplifting experience: Why, I was watching the vid' of the final of last weekend's 8's race (Lucerne) last night and I was reminded of this.

Here's where you learn that the term "stroke seat" is a cowswain's command that includes a verb.



It's no wonder that Lane 4, the Germans, went on to win the event

[leadville]

Just to stay as scrupulous about technique OTErg as I am trying to be OTW, I have settled on 12.5 SPI for all of my erging.

This is indeed rowing well (for a 60-year-old lightweight).
[more useless BS]

Done at low drag (123 df.) with good OTW technique (hands high at the catch, full slide, relaxed shoulders, big legs, delayed back, quick arms, elbows in at the finish, quick hands and back out of backstops into prep position, controlled slide on the recovery back down to the next catch, etc.), this 12.5 SPI rowing produces a beautiful force contour--120 Newtons of peak power, flat (sustained) power at the top of the curve--then a smooth, straight line, 45 degree descent to the baseline.

ranger

Oh my. let us just dissect the key, most critical, obvious ways in which rangerboy clearly doesn't know his ass from his elbow when it comes to OTW rowing.

hands high at the catch? really? that means either a) you're rigged way too high; b) you're going to dig those blades way too deep; or more likely c) both.

full slide? have seen NO evidence that rangerboy is anywhere close to full slide before the catch.

elbows in at the finish? Nope. that forces a sloppy, drag the blades out, inefficient finish that catches water on the way out, screws up the balance, and thus makes the entire recovery problematic. at least OTW.

force power curve? whatever. rangerboy you're spending too much time channeling star trek and not near enough learning how to row.

any moron - including you, rangerboy - can put out a lot of power for a few strokes. the fast scullers are the ones who don't slow themselves down with lousy technique. it isn't newton meters or watts or hp, its speed over 1k.

in a boat. which means you will never race because you have no idea what you're doing OTW.

finally, 'scrupulous? that term has absolutely no place in any post describing you, rangerboy. you're a lying welshing self-aggrandizing handle-downing unscrupulous coward. At best.

[lancs]

Mike VB can't do 5K, 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI), much less a FM.

Other than me, no 60s, or near-60s, lightweight can.

Can I ask you to clarify this point? Do you mean no other near-60's lwt can do a 5k or a FM 1:48 @22?

Because RWB is so ingrained into your training, you have no idea whatsoever how long you could hold 1:48 @ 22. You certainly can't do a FM at this pace nor will you ever be able to and I suspect that, as a bonafide lwt, you can't even do the 5k. In fact, I'm certain you can't..

[nysaag]

Leadville has said it best....

"rangerboy. you're a lying welshing self-aggrandizing handle-downing unscrupulous coward. At best."

[ranger]

you have no idea whatsoever how long you could hold 1:48 @ 22

True.

But when I get the FM done, 1:48 @ 22 spm, then we'll know.

Back in 2003, rowing badly at max drag, I could do 10K, 1:48 @ 22 spm, but that was it.

At that point, my HR ran up over my anaerobic threshold.

Free rate, 1:48 was top-end UT1 for me.

I could do 1:48 @ 28 spm for an hour.

But I could only do 10K if I lowered the rate to 22 spm.

I didn't know how to row.

So.

Now that I know how to row, the question is:

How long can I hold 1:48 @ 22 spm, rowing well at low drag?

Or in other terms, what HR do I run when I am doing 1:48 @ 22 spm, steady state, rowing well at low drag?

I am now working on it every day.

We'll know the answer by September 1st.

ranger

[ranger]

Leadville has said it best....

"rangerboy. you're a lying welshing self-aggrandizing handle-downing unscrupulous coward. At best."

Yea.

That's why no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K last year, even though I didn't even prepare to race.

At 59, I pulled a lwt 6:41 for 2K, without even preparing for it.

The 60s lwt hammer at WIRC 2010 pulled 7:04.

The 2010 55s lwt hammer pulled 6:50.

This next year, when I am fully prepared to race and rowing well at low drag, I am going to pull 6:16.

The 2010 50s lwt hammer pulled 6:31.

The 2010 40s lwt hammer pulled 6:24.

The 2010 30s lwt hammer was--uh, uh, hmm--Eskild E.

He pulled 6:16.

ranger

[ranger]

any moron - including you, rangerboy - can put out a lot of power for a few strokes. the fast scullers are the ones who don't slow themselves down with lousy technique.

No, Joe, clearly not, as your 7:04 at the 2010 B's attests.

To be slowed down, you first have to be moving.

There are two sides to the issue.

Sure, I am still slowing myself down in all sorts of ways OTW.

But I am working on it.

And I think I am now generating quite a bit of power OTW before I slow myself down.

For example, I now do a nice 2:00 @ 26 spm.

Perhaps your book will help me out with my lousy OTW technique.

I have ordered it.

I would love to see 2:00 @ 22 spm.

Not sure what will help you get more power into your stroke.

Working harder?



ranger

[mikvan52]

I now do a nice 2:00 @ 26 spm.

Rich: Please clarify. What distance or how many strokes, oh master of disguises!

[Byron Drachman]

Oct 16, 2006: You'll soon see why. FM in 1:48, HM in 1:45--coming up soon, a product of this sort of training.

March 21, 2007: First race, really, is a FM, in about three weeks or so.

August 20, 2007: How about a FM, 1:48 @ 20 spm? Coming up!

November 26, 2007: Before long, I'll be doing a FM 1:48 @ 20 spm (14 SPI).

February 10, 2008: I will also get a lwt FM done this winter.

April 5, 2008: I am doing a FM trial at the end of the month. I'll do my FM trial at 22 spm.

May 7, 2008: This month I will take a slap at the FM and 60min WRs for the 50s hwts.

December 20, 2008: I think I will pull a FM, 1:48 @ 24 spm (12 SPI), before New Years.

April 6, 2009: At the end of the month, I am going to try a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm.

Dec 27, 2009: I'll race a FM over the next couple of weeks, before I go back to teaching on January 7th.

Feb 11, 2010: That means that within the month, I will row a FM @ 1:45 and 60min at 1:40.

March 30, 2010: Before the end of the month, I will do all of the races, from 500m to FM--all as a lwt. I will do them IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

July 14, 2010: But when I get the FM done, 1:48 @ 22 spm, then we'll know. --snip--We'll know the answer by September 1st.