Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 6:47 am

A camera?

Like this, done with a camera mounted out to the side, off the rigger?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH3qNjKhY_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYmPNfv ... re=related

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 7:09 am

ranger wrote: BTW, in the video, there's your 1:50 @ 33 spm.

No?

7:20 for 2K.

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So, at 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, the equivalent of 1:35 @ 33 spm (12.4 SPI) OTErg.

6:20

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 9:27 am

Stiff NW winds.

White caps whipping through the Door from Green Bay out into Lake Michigan.

Nowhere to hide from this, really, so I went to Europe Lake and did what I could with it.

Big chop.

Put in 10K--in the waves.

Keeping my elbows in at the finish and throughout the recovery a little more than I had been is helping enormously with tap downs, releases, and blade work.

And everything else feels great, too--footwork, catches, timing, sequencing, etc.

I am really moving the boat.

8 SPI

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 9:33 am

Mike VB--

Given that, like the Olympian women in the video, you pull 8 SPI OTW when you are rowing well, if you could hold your technique together and rate 30 spm in a head race, you'd do 1:52 pace.

For the HOCR, that's 17.40, a pretty good time, no?

Maybe not initially, but at some point, I think I am going to rate 30 spm for head races.

If so, I'll do 1:52 pace, too.

At 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, 1:52 @ 30 spm OTW is the equivalent of 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI) OTErg.

This means that I should now be able to do a 5K OTErg at 1:37/16:10, which is six seconds per 500m better than my 5K pb, from ten years ago, of 1:43/17:10.

My target for a FM, 1:48/2:32, is also six seconds per 500m faster than my pb, from ten years ago, of 1:54/2:40.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » August 21st, 2011, 9:47 am

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote: Why don't you put your video camera on the end of your boat and post us a video of your fast rowing OTW, like Tinpusher did on his blog over here in Europe?
Sure.

That would be fun to see.

How do you mount the camera on your boat?

Is there a gizmo that will do this effectively, or do you just tape it on (etc.).

My _fast_ rowing?

Like Tinpusher?

I hear that Tinpusher can't rate over 26 spm without losing control of his technique.

I think I can rate 38 spm--no problem.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 10:24 am

bellboy wrote:You have yet to finish a race
How many races you have done has nothing to do with how fast you can move a boat (or spin a wheel).

OTErg, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time in my first race.

OTW, at 30 spm, I now go 1:52 (8 SPI).

OTErg, at 30 spm, I now go 1:37 (13 SPI).

The two differ by the standard 15 seconds per 500m.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 11:09 am

OTW, I am now over 10 seconds per 500m better at the same rate and same level of effort than I was a year ago.

2 SPI

Last year in the Lansing head race, I putzed along, 2:10 @ 24 spm, measured with a 1.0 calibration on my speed coach, which is equivalent to 2:13 @ 24 spm with a .975 calibration.

That's 6 SPI.

Now, I go along 2:02 @ 24 spm, with the .975 calibration.

That's 8 SPI.

I have improved 33% in one year.

Wow.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 21st, 2011, 12:26 pm

Amazingly, given all of the time I have been working on technique, it looks as though there are only fitness things left to do--pushing it a little more each day, getting my HR up, distance racing, sharpening, etc.

Then I will be ready to race, both OTErg and OTW.

I now row well.

Fitness things are no-brainers for me.

I have been doing them my whole life.

Fitness is the Cureton family business.

http://depts.washington.edu/bhdept/facr ... yman_J.pdf

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » August 21st, 2011, 1:00 pm

ranger wrote:Amazingly, given all of the time I have been working on technique, it looks as though there are only fitness things left to do
That's unfortunate - your fitness is already maximal, so there's nothing you can do in any of those areas.

So, everyone else, has anything quantifiable been achieved while I was away, or is it all qualifiable? ;)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 21st, 2011, 1:03 pm

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote: Why don't you put your video camera on the end of your boat and post us a video of your fast rowing OTW, like Tinpusher did on his blog over here in Europe?

I hear that (x) can't rate over 26 spm without losing control of his technique.

I think I can rate 38 spm--no problem.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » August 21st, 2011, 1:07 pm

ranger wrote:Amazingly, given all of the time I have been working on technique, it looks as though there are only fitness things left to do ... Then I will be ready to race, both OTErg and OTW.
ranger just yesterday wrote:I am no good at starts.

I've never practiced them [or steering].

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 21st, 2011, 1:10 pm

ranger wrote:Mike VB--

Given that, like the ("A" final at ATHENS, W1x) in the video, you pull 8 SPI OTW when you are rowing well, if you could hold your technique together and rate 30 spm in a head race, you'd do 1:52 pace.

For the HOCR, that's 17.40, a pretty good time, no?

Maybe not initially, but at some point, I think I am going to rate 30 spm for head races.

If so, I'll do 1:52 pace, too.
(snip)
(I've cut the BS short, as it's summer and I tire of hearing drivel about the erg)
(more smoke from ranger's pop-gun)

Question being:
If one is maxed out at 2k at 1:52 pace and 30+ spm, what makes anyone think they can hold the same pace and rating for 3 miles?

IOW: Cut the bull hockey, Rich... You're being tedious.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 21st, 2011, 1:12 pm

PaulH wrote: So, everyone else, has anything quantifiable been achieved while I was away, or is it all qualifiable? ;)
Welcome "home", Paul...
Is that a rhetorical question ? :D :wink:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 21st, 2011, 1:20 pm

Here, Byron

yet another classic ranger troll-zinger:
ranger, on August 21st, 2011, 10:24 am wrote:
How many races you have done has nothing to do with how fast you can move a boat
Something to file away as a really-really bad observation...

The sub-text is: ranger no plans to never race his single at any major regatta...
He can scull "well" on all the frog-ponds in Michigan with impunity...

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Rocket Roy » August 21st, 2011, 1:44 pm

ranger wrote:

Is there a gizmo that will do this effectively, or do you just tape it on (etc.).

My _fast_ rowing?

Like Tinpusher?

I hear that Tinpusher can't rate over 26 spm without losing control of his technique.

I think I can rate 38 spm--no problem.

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