Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

train hard and learn something new...

These two assertions are hypothetical in your case.
As far as OTW goes, it is not clear that you have learned anything new.
On the erg: You continue to merely slow down relative to your peers. \ Brian Bailey's record remains safe just as Roy Brook's record is safe, though you had 5 years to try to better it.
You've trained using your bizarre RWB spi theory and it has not gotten you back to WR contention...

Is it time for a switch in approach?

When was the last time you raced in any regatta where you had 5 or more competitors in your age group?.. We can't count BIRC 2010 because you said you didn't "race".. Before that?

I think is was Amsterdam 2006... where you were 4th..

Strange.

[aharmer]

Speaking of records, it looks like Roy will be chasing the 60's lwt record now as well. I wonder if it will take Roy 8 years to get his erg technique back in order?

[JimR]

There's a deepening yellow streak running from Door County to the Charles

It's "yellow" to train hard and learn something new?

Wow.

I think it is "yellow" to claim you are the best ever for five years and avoid every chance to prove it.

JimR

[JimR]

My Baltimore row in 2006 when I was 55, which I did at high drag without even preparing for it, was at 12 SPI, 6:29.7.

Yap, yap, yap ... what have you done lately?

JimR

Nothing special.

Just what I have been doing continuously over the last decade--working hard every day, learning, getting better (while everyone else has been getting worse and worse).

This has been my training plan.

In my estimation ...

These "estimation" skills of yours are poor to say the least. Remember BIRC 2010 was the point that all your training "investment" was going to pay off in spades?! Of course I remember you made the same calim abour other BIRC/WIRC race prior to that ... most of which you never even went to (because racing leading up to them was producing such poor results you turned "yellow").

JimR

[mikvan52]

Speaking of records, it looks like Roy will be chasing the 60's lwt record now as well.

Come next Wednesday, i'll be visiting w/Roy.
We plan to have a great day out and about... There'll be little or no talk of ranger. Why bother? He never shows up to race...

[JimR]

Speaking of records, it looks like Roy will be chasing the 60's lwt record now as well.

Come next Wednesday, i'll be visiting w/Roy.
We plan to have a great day out and about... There'll be little or no talk of ranger. Why bother? He never shows up to race...

But he could ... the odds are very slim however!

JimR

[ranger]

As far as OTW goes, it is not clear that you have learned anything new.

I don't know.

If I can go along, 2;00 @ 27 spm for 5K, it seems to me that it shows that I have learned a whole bunch of things about moving a boat.

Either that, or you don't know anything, either, and therefore are in no position to judge, because that's every bit as good as you.

ranger

[ranger]

Speaking of records, it looks like Roy will be chasing the 60's lwt record now as well. I wonder if it will take Roy 8 years to get his erg technique back in order?

Back in order?

No veteran (50+) erger has ever rowed well.

If Roy rowed well, he would have pulled 6:16.

I'm afraid that, now, he'll struggle getting to 6:50.

ranger

[ranger]

Remember BIRC 2010

I haven't trained to race (as I am now) since 2003.

If you train to race, 2Ks are entirely predictable.

No estimations are necessary.

In race preparation, everyone wades through about 15 mutually supporting and converging 2K predictors: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K, 30'r20, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, 500m, 1K, etc.

In 2003, I pulled seven 7 lightweight 2Ks:

6:36, 6:33, 6:30, 6:32, 6:29, 6:28, 6:32

It's hard to be more consistent than that.

ranger

ranger

[snowleopard]

I'm afraid that, now, he'll struggle getting to 6:50.

Which will be 10 or more seconds faster than you.

There's that 10 seconds again

Not that you'll have the balls to face him

[JimR]

I haven't trained to race (as I am now) since 2003.

Funny ... the high-intensity intervals you call "rowing with breaks" that you do looks alot like "training. Maybe the problem with your training is you don't do enough steady-state work. Clearly you pace is too fast if you have to stop to "think" (ranger-spaeak for catch your breath).

If you train to race, 2Ks are entirely predictable.

And if you train like crap you race like crap ... see exhibit A, ranger

In race preparation, everyone wades through about 15 mutually supporting and converging 2K predictors: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K, 30'r20, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, 500m, 1K, etc.

I'm pretty sure you are the only person to think this is race preperation. Some of these are measures of ability but they don't work for you since you don't actually do them.

In 2003, I pulled seven 7 lightweight 2Ks:

6:36, 6:33, 6:30, 6:32, 6:29, 6:28, 6:32

It's hard to be more consistent than that.

And if the rest of your points are stupid beyond belief then go to the "back in 2003 I did ..." which has no bearing on 2011 at all ... see BIRC 2010 as proof.

As YOU said, a person is described by their best in a racing season ... mr 7:02.

JimR

[ranger]

Red sunrise this morning.

Rain is coming in again.



12K OTErg before dawn.

With the SE wind, the big lake right out in front of the cottage, which looks NW, is calm, even though there is a pretty stiff breeze off-shore.

My better catches and finishes are really making a difference, especially my better finishes.

How much?

Quite a bit.

Something like four seconds per 500m at the same rate relative to what I was doing last summer in my distance rowing.

In my distance rowing, I am now doing 13 SPI, on the button, even as the rate rises, e.g., to 24-28 spm.

13 SPI is rowing perfectly for a lightweight of any age.

The secret is the countermotion, the bracing of the back against the faster motion of the legs (at the catch) and arms and feet (at the finish), but (of course) without omitting a good swing of the back in between.

1:44 @ 24 spm is fantastic everyday UT1 rowing for a 60s lwt.

Nothing to be done but more of the same.

If I can do it for a FM, it will be amazing.

1:44 is pretty much the Open hwt FM WR and would predict something like a lwt Open WR 2K.

6:00

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

[leadville]

hey rangerboy - sixth time for this question - are you coming to master's nationals in OKC? or does that yellow streak extend southwest too?

[ben990]

Red sunrise this morning.

Rain is coming in again.

And yes, I am a yellow-bellied sap-sucker.

Blah, blah, blah.

ranger

And your best 2K lately is 7:02.3. Nice!

[ranger]

And your best 2K lately is 7:02.3.

Naw, just paddled that one.

Lately, I've been consistently doing 6:41, which is faster than any lightweight my age has ever rowed.

But I have been doing those 6:41s at max drag, unprepared, and still struggling with technique.

I have now dropped the drag (to 120 df.) and solved my technical problems, so completely that I am now rowing well (13 SPI).

Given that my work on technique is done, I am now preparing to race.

I haven't prepared to race since 2003.

ranger