Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by hjs » September 9th, 2015, 4:17 am

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Edward4492 wrote: But damn, all I ever offer is " you might want to lower that arrow-thingy from #10 to #4 and give it a try". And the normal response "It's too easy on #4".
Maybe it would be best to install a C-Breeze which lowers the drag quite considerably. Or stop cleaning the machines :P .
Saying that sounds like, you now bench with 100, but it would be better if you used 40. I nowedays ignore everything.

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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by Galeere » September 9th, 2015, 1:02 pm

hjs wrote:
Galeere wrote:
Edward4492 wrote: But damn, all I ever offer is " you might want to lower that arrow-thingy from #10 to #4 and give it a try". And the normal response "It's too easy on #4".
Maybe it would be best to install a C-Breeze which lowers the drag quite considerably. Or stop cleaning the machines :P .
Saying that sounds like, you now bench with 100, but it would be better if you used 40. I nowedays ignore everything.
Well you as any other serious erger know that an erg is not a bench press nor a low row. If someone wants to train for strength and/or muscle mass he/she can use this for back and arms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZbfZ033f74 and similar utilities for legs.
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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by jamesg » September 9th, 2015, 2:01 pm

I've put a filter pad over the air inlet, hoping I'll never have to clean the fan again.

Drag factor is about 75 with damper 10. I can still produce 200W with no mechanical difficulty. It's only question of length and speed off the stretcher, using legs first.

Is there any reason why a clean C2 should have DF over 200?
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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by Galeere » September 9th, 2015, 3:25 pm

jamesg wrote:I've put a filter pad over the air inlet, hoping I'll never have to clean the fan again.

Drag factor is about 75 with damper 10. I can still produce 200W with no mechanical difficulty. It's only question of length and speed off the stretcher, using legs first.

Is there any reason why a clean C2 should have DF over 200?
Well on the 100m and somewhat on the 1min larger drags provide faster splits. I tried the 100m on drag 80 and was not able to pull sub 17 sec. with that setting. With 165 I managed 16 sec. All in all I personally have found drag factors between 120 and 150 to work best for me on most exercises (and a little more for the super sprints).
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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by jackarabit » September 10th, 2015, 8:02 pm

Hardy, it seems every YMCA gym in the U.S. has a four stack cable "jungle." Yet the same folks who think the C2 doesn't "create" enough resistance act like it's some sort of exotic cable row and the proper setup goes begging.
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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by Carl Watts » September 10th, 2015, 8:47 pm

jamesg wrote:I've put a filter pad over the air inlet, hoping I'll never have to clean the fan again.

Drag factor is about 75 with damper 10. I can still produce 200W with no mechanical difficulty. It's only question of length and speed off the stretcher, using legs first.

Is there any reason why a clean C2 should have DF over 200?

Not a bad idea but probably some thin foam or the fibre filter bag from a vacuum cleaner (not paper way too restrictive) bag if its big enough once cut up may be a better idea.

75 is way too low, 110 to 130 is generally what is required so you currently have too much air restriction in the inlet.

I would suggest that just dusting the fan cage is not enough, it has to be removed and washed in soapy water and hit with compressed air to really clean the holes out. Blocking the air outlet has a similar effect as blocking the inlet, they both lower the Drag Factor.

The Model C due to the cage design would be much easier to fit some sort of filter to, I already have a cardboard "Donut" in mine to set the drag factor at 130 with the damper at 10 so the air enters the housing symmetrically like the Model D. Possibly the "Donut" could go and with the damper on 10, some sort of filter that could be easily removed and washed put in its place and also if your lucky get a similar 130 Drag Factor.
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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by jaredstrauss » November 14th, 2015, 6:19 pm

A guy at my gym sets damper to 10, puts kettle bells at the font of the erg, rows 32 strokes per minute and somehow only manages a 2:30 split. I don't think I could possibly row that slow at 32 SPM with the damper so high.

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Re: Other erg users in the gym with rubbish technique

Post by jamesg » November 14th, 2015, 7:18 pm

Arms only?
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