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[old] TomR/the elder · Post by **[old] TomR/the elder** » December 16th, 2005, 1:54 pm

You say you have "discomfort" in your chest and it goes away when you slow down? Gasping for breath and burning lungs when pushing hard are one thing, but chest pain sounds like something altogether different. Have you seen a doctor recently? Tom

[old] ljwagner · Post by **[old] ljwagner** » December 16th, 2005, 4:46 pm

A digression from the Pete Plan. I'm not gasping. I'm not breathing hard. It is minor discomfort, but there at times. Resting EKGs (two in three years), showed nothing. Doctor says I'm fine. Two, both an internist and a cardiologist. Two treadmill stress tests, one showed a swollen mitral valve, from infection they theorized. Then the 2nd one two years later, the valve would not close except at rest. I'm getting over that strained mitral valve, and paying attention to any sensations. Back in April, walking slowly, I DID breathe hard and gasp for breathe, so I've come along way. The valve closes and I can get decent exercise now. With the infection, I took about 4 months off exercise, then started over. The strained valve, about 2 months off, but started really slowly. I'm currently happy to have a painless 12 min 2k. Boringly slow at 16-18 spm, and I can do 3'00 500 pace and talk to my daughter at the same time. For a 10'00 2k I do breathe a little harder, but not hard or gasping. I sense my chest some, and my pulse gets into the 160's. A 2:15 500m on full DF, HR to 155. Not such a good idea yet, though I obviously tried it. Every month I can do a little more. I'm training mostly by HR, and any other indications to slow down. No record aspirations here, but I do want to improve. Regarding the strained valve, a General Practioner friend told me to ALWAYS do warm-ups. That is why I also advocate it. Prep the heart for hard work. Gets the muscles prepped, but more important preps the heart itself. His words to me. I appreciate the concern. I am paying attention and using an HR monitor. Walking was too little stress after I could do 3.5 mph. Jogging/running too much stress at any speed. Erging, I can fully control the stress.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 16th, 2005, 9:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(TomR/the elder @ Dec 16 2005, 09:54 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Gasping for breath and burning lungs when pushing hard are one thing, but chest pain sounds like something altogether different. Have you seen a doctor recently?[right] </td></tr></table> Yes, seeing a doctor would cause all of those symptoms. You should avoid them at all costs and then you will probably feel much better.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 16th, 2005, 9:32 pm

Regarding heart rates, I checked mine today and was surprised at the outcome. I finished the holiday challenge a few days ago, doing the million meters in 19 days including 70km each of the last three days. This was all at a moderate steady pace. The last 3 days I've been doing some easy pickups, then today I did 4x 1:00 with 2:00 rests in between, and decided to check my heart rates at the end of each one and recoveries. The 1:00 efforts were about as fast as I felt comfortable doing, considering not having done them for awhile. The pace was plenty to keep hanging on to the last 20 seconds of each one and I was breathing fairly hard but recovered quickly. The interesting thing was my heart rates, which were as follows: 142-147 . . . at the end of each one 122-124 . . . after 30s of recovery 76-84 . . . . . after 60s 67-73 . . . . . after 90s 68 . . . . . . . 2:00 after the last one I had expected the top HR's to be at least 155 or higher. I am very surprised they were only 142 to 147. My conclusion is that my cardiac output has become very efficient from the distance rowing, but not used to maximum efforts. I expect the rates to get up closer to my maximum as I do these more, and will consider this to be a beneficial response to the exercise.

[old] ljwagner · Post by **[old] ljwagner** » December 17th, 2005, 12:09 am

80 point drop in that time frame is great. You have a great pump. But you'll have to work a little harder to get it up to 155. I get a 60 point drop in 3 minutes after a push into the 160's. I'm happy I can even do it. Takes about 1:15 or more. The HMO doctors actually told me I was fine and to continue exercising as I had been. John will be happy to know I ignored their advice, and believe I am doing the right thing. To do what they recommended would have had the problem getting worse by the day.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 17th, 2005, 12:18 am

Thanks. Yes I seem to recover quite quickly. I have often gone from a maximum heart rate to 100 bpm in 60s or so. Longer efforts, i.e. full out half marathons, take longer to come down. My maximum heart rate is 174. You are making progress. Now ignore "all" doctors, make your own decisions and you'll be well on your way.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 17th, 2005, 6:47 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I finished the holiday challenge a few days ago, doing the million meters in 19 days including 70km each of the last three days. This was all at a moderate steady pace. </td></tr></table> Nice, JR! Lots of meters, that. Rowing "indefinitely" long distances, you might call it. Steady state. What pace and rate did you row at? What do you mean by "moderately steady"? Lately, I have been trying to make 1:54 @ 17 spm my "indefinite" pace and rate. 1:54 is my marathon pb. ranger

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 17th, 2005, 1:30 pm

Hi Rich, My pace was very easy, a "no effort pace", as in running. Marathon pace is too fast, when you are rowing more than marathon distance each day. I did the bulk of the rowing at 2:24 pace and 26 spm, i.e. 8 meters per stroke. At the end I picked up to the pace to finish in 19 days but was tired, so I slowed to a 2:30 pace and moved as slowly as possible, going only 21 to 22 spm over the last 3 days. Thus this was 5x 14km each day, with a 30 minute break in between.

[old] jfo · Post by **[old] jfo** » December 17th, 2005, 3:31 pm

Thanks for your answers. I think that the problem is that I didn't know my maximum puls. I estimated it to be 180 (220-40) but yesterday I rowed 10km as fast as I could and the puls was actually 191 when I reached 10km. So my maximum pulse is maybe 195...I'll adjust my plans accordingly

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 17th, 2005, 4:41 pm

I did the 4x 1:00 with 2:00 rests again, 2.2 seconds pace faster than yesterday. The 4th one I was hanging on the last 20 seconds. 1:00 is a long ways. My HR got up to somewhere around 158 to 167 today, so it was much closer to max. 30s . . . 130 60s . . . 100 90s . . . 80

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 17th, 2005, 4:46 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 17 2005, 09:30 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I slowed to a 2:30 pace and moved as slowly as possible, going only 21 to 22 spm over the last 3 days.[right] </td></tr></table> I wanted to make the most of my energy and did this in two ways. Slowing the pace meant I was using less power and less energy over distance. Reducing the rating and coasting as far as possible with each stroke meant I was using less energy per meter, and this helped me to get farther with my efforts.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 17th, 2005, 6:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I did the bulk of the rowing at 2:24 pace and 26 spm, i.e. 8 meters per stroke. </td></tr></table> Wow. That's really off the charts in terms of minimal effort per stroke: 4.5 SPI. Kinda like drownproofing across the Pacific? Survival tactics? ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 17th, 2005, 6:19 pm

The 1:54 @ 17 spm that I have been doing lately is 17 meters per stroke, but you are certainly right that it takes more energy per stroke, just shy of three times your 4.5 SPI, 14 SPI. It would indeed be a challenge doing 70K a day at this 1:54 @ 17 spm, but, actually, that might be a nice goal. ranger

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 17th, 2005, 6:37 pm

Rich, My 500 pace of 1:39 is faster than your 1:54. It would be nice if I could do this for a marathon, or a 70km or row across the ocean this way. It would be a nice challenge. Actually maybe I'll see about rowing across the ocean this way. When I get around to it. One of these days. We shall see. My stroke is coming along very well.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 18th, 2005, 11:35 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 17 2005, 05:37 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rich, My 500 pace of 1:39 is faster than your 1:54. It would be nice if I could do this for a marathon, or a 70km or row across the ocean this way. It would be a nice challenge. Actually maybe I'll see about rowing across the ocean this way. When I get around to it. One of these days. We shall see. My stroke is coming along very well. </td></tr></table> I've already rowed 70K at 1:56, and could undoubtedly do 1:54 now; but the challenge would be to do it as good _training_ for rowing, too, not just to cover the distance. To have any rowing be good _training_ for rowing, it must be done with a strong stroke. I did the 70K at 1:56 and about 32 spm (7 SP!). Not good! 1:56 @ 16 spm (14 SPI) would be much better training for rowing; and for me, 17 spm is a little more comfortable as a continuous cadence, so 1:54 @ 17 spm would better for me than 1:56 @ 26 spm. ranger

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