Chad's Accusations ... See My Post Before Voting!

[[old] Sir Pirate]

Dwayne is a lot of things, including a liar and a cheat*, but I am the only one allowed to call him that. He also only has 8 toes, but I still love him. <br /><br />Chad, did throw some s**t around but I would not say that he called Dwayne a liar and/or a cheat. So I voted NO.<br /><br />Mega respect to Dwayne for doing a 2K this weekend. Give it some welly big fella!!<br /><br />Sir Pirate<br /><br /><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>*Please don't sue me, it was a joke</span>

[[old] becz]

The original post by Chad:<br /><br /><i>"I am 42 years old, a reasonably fit guy. I have been rowing many years. I have just been checking out the rankings on this site and other rowing logging sites the last few days.<br /><br />This guy Dwayne Adams can not be for real!!...............Can he?<br /><br />Is there any proof of his times? What’s the story?<br /><br />Not accusing him of cheating, but at 40+ years old pulling those sort of scores would make him one of the best athletes in the world.<br /><br />A poll to see if I am the only doubter is in order.<br /><br />Nothing personal or any offence meant. "</i><br /><br />It wall went south from there.<br /><br />Doubting is not an accusation. I doubt David Blaine is really making himself levitate, but in doing so I'm not accusing him of lying. If the IRS selects someone to review their return because of inconsistencies, are they implying the filer is a liar? Not in my opinion. Maybe that's just what it comes down to...opinion.<br /><br />I voted NO.

[[old] TomR/the elder]

After rereading the first 6 pages of the thread, I voted NO.<br /><br />Chad was insistent. Show me, he insisted, doggedly. Eventually things got ugly, for which Chad does not bear sole responsibility.<br /><br />Tom

[[old] Carl Henrik]

I'm not sure I want to pursue this but below is where Chad says that he himself does not believe the times that Dwayne Adams has posted are real. I guess it does not directly mean that he believes DA is a liar, but it does definitly mean that he does not belive that DA is an honest guy either. Perhaps he believes nothing about it? (He claims otherwise though as I will pooint out later) <br /><br />Chad, claims to gather info about DA and this would include reading posts by DA on the forum. To me Dwaynes posts have been enough to make me believe he is ranking honestly. To chad it isn't. For Chad to express this publicly is clearly an offense towards Dwayne Adams. If someone examined me and then went to a public forum and claimed he does not believe I am an honest guy, I would be offended.<br /><br />Apart from that Chad starts <i>the poll</i>. This one is formulated so that you should offer a clear belief, or that you do not care. The option that you care, but have no belief has not been conceived by Chad at this point. Is it likely that this is his own position then? No. Does Chad care? Definitely. Well, what did Chad vote, yes or no? Anyone who votes no ( in the "Are his times real" poll) is clearly accusing Dwayne Adams of being a cheater, even if doing so because of lack of better alternatives. <br /><br />The alternatives were chosen by Chad, creating a group of people accusing Dwayne of cheating. When this group becomes the largest Chad says:<br />"More people at this time agree with me than you lot"<br />Thereby it's obvious that Chad also accuses Dwayne of cheating.<br /><br />I think thereby it's shown that<br />- Chad publicly stated he does not find DA worthy of trust<br />- He gathered a large number of anonymous people claiming DA is fake <br />- He claimed they share his view<br />ergo: Chad accuses DA of being a liar as well. <br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 11:32 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 11:32 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Looking into past races, all be it not digging very deep, the best time I can find in a race for him is not even sub 7.<br /><br />Is my knowledge very limited with this guy, rowing under 5.50 for a 2000m he must be in a National boat!! He is quicker than a lot of our college guys.<br /><br />Hay, just educate me. I am just writing what I read from information that is available to all. Things sure do not seem to fall into place from were I am sitting.<br /><br />C2 must have proof of his rows as I believe he was part of the US Indoor rowing team a few years back. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 19 2006, 06:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 19 2006, 06:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Look at the poll. More people at this time agree with me than you lot.<br /> </td></tr></table>

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--QuoteBegin-Carl Henrik+Jan 21 2006, 04:05 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Jan 21 2006, 04:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->creating a group of people accusing Dwayne of cheating. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wrong, it created a gorup of people who would like to see some proof of the rows that Dwayne claims he has done. That is not calling him a liar.<br /><br />Yes, I pointed out that more people agree with me than they did with the "yes" group in my poll, and this is still the case, I was just stating a fact.<br /><br />Someone made a comment that the poll may well be fixed by people making up new users just to cast a vote, and people attack my character, what about that person? do you find that acceptable? Looks like you do as nothing was said about that.

[[old] Carl Henrik]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 21 2006, 09:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 21 2006, 09:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Carl Henrik+Jan 21 2006, 04:05 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Jan 21 2006, 04:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->creating a group of people accusing Dwayne of cheating. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wrong, it created a gorup of people who would like to see some proof of the rows that Dwayne claims he has done. That is not calling him a liar.<br /><br />Yes, I pointed out that more people agree with me than they did with the "yes" group in my poll, and this is still the case, I was just stating a fact.<br /><br />Someone made a comment that the poll may well be fixed by people making up new users just to cast a vote, and people attack my character, what about that person? do you find that acceptable? Looks like you do as nothing was said about that[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The largest group was, "Are his times real? -no" <br />You said. "More people at this time agree with me than you lot"<br />It's crystal clear. <br /><br />I'm sorry Chad, you got the spotlight on this one! By the way, I think your intentions were not to accuse Dwayne, but you did and without proof.

[[old] Chad Williams]

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[[old] gw1]

No vote!<br />Busted his balls hard, but i don't recall any direct accusation!

[[old] PaulH]

I voted Yes - Chad very clearly said that he suspected Dwayne hadn't actually done the times he claimed. There are, so far as I can tell, only two ways that could have happened. Either Dwayne is a *really* bad typist when he's entering his times, or he's lying. Hence, Chad was accusing Dwayne of being a really bad typist. No, wait...<br /><br />Cheers, Paul

[[old] Ericr]

I don't care, it's just an Internetforum. Don't take it too serious.

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone who votes no is clearly accusing Dwayne Adams of being a cheater, </td></tr></table><br /><br />Absolute BS! I would never accuse DA or anyone else of that without proof. <br />I voted NO! Are you accusing me of making such an allegation?

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 21 2006, 04:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 21 2006, 04:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Someone made a comment that the poll may well be fixed by people making up new users just to cast a vote, and people attack my character, what about that person? do you find that acceptable? Looks like you do as nothing was said about that. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><b>It was 2 people that made the accusations.</b><br /><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 20 2006, 07:22 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 20 2006, 07:22 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The most strange part about the poll results is that the "No" votes seem to be very quiet individuals, not even a single line post of "Bogus for sure".  So I guess that this is a lot like most Internet polls, "Bogus for sure." <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ehagberg+Jan 19 2006, 02:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ehagberg @ Jan 19 2006, 02:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe your poll is fake?  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are they calling me a liar and a cheat!!!<br /><br /><br /><br />

[[old] Carl Henrik]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Jan 21 2006, 09:48 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Jan 21 2006, 09:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone who votes no is clearly accusing Dwayne Adams of being a cheater, </td></tr></table><br /><br />Absolute BS! I would never accuse DA or anyone else of that without proof. <br />I voted NO! Are you accusing me of making such an allegation? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry, I was not too clear. I was talking about the poll "Are his times real" with the anwser "yes" , "no" and "don't care". <br /><br />If you vote "no" in <i>that</i> poll then you are accusing him of being fake.

[[old] seat5]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 21 2006, 03:38 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 21 2006, 03:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once this "Dwayne proving his times" is all tided up, I shall be starting my crusade with regards to the ranking system.<br /><br />1 job at a time. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am pretty sure C2 is aware of this problem and has a solution in the works in regards to the verification by PM3.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 21 2006, 09:03 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 21 2006, 09:03 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->12 years in the UK. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />As a P.O.W. ?