Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » July 7th, 2010, 5:26 am

ranger wrote:
lancs wrote:And your video isn't visible to us....
Yes, it is.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 7th, 2010, 5:27 am

Citroen wrote:
ranger wrote:Here is some 1:50 @ 22 spm (12 SPI), UT2 for a 6:20 2K. df. is 123

In the video, I am rowing faster than any 60s lwt can row for 5K.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4h1pfhDke0

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Shame that you've marked that video as private so normal folks can't watch it.
Yes, it was private originally.

No, I changed it to public.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » July 7th, 2010, 5:31 am

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mikvan52 wrote:Rich, take note. Winning at Henley is a much more prestigous achievement and far greater recognised on the world stage than what you've done on that piece of gym equipment. You need to get away from that erg and get into the mainstream of rowing.
I'm not sure why you keep saying this has already been done, long ago.

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

I have a new boat.

Once the weather warms up, I row OTW every day.

I am get better each time I go out.

Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with rowing on the erg.

Anyway.

I have some unfinished business to complete on the erg this coming fall and winter.

I am going to pull a lwt 6:16 at 60.

That will top the 40s lwt WR, the 50s lwt WR, the 55s lwt WR, and the 60s lwt WR, not to mention to 55s hwt WR and the 60s hwt WR.

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Are you alright this morning, Rich? I'm a little worried about your condition.

First: I didn't write that quote.
Second: Your paragraph structure is "shot to hell" again... Even your sentences are deteriorating
"Anyway." is not a complete thought. An adverb modifies a verb a should be associated with a subject.

Also: Where will you find that lightweight you are going to pull somewhere when you turn 60? :? :?
Did you mean to say you are going to pull a lightweight four sixteen miles down the highway at 60 mph behind your car? :? :?
Sorry, I just don't get it. :oops:

I should go easy on you, I know. Typing is hard for older men.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » July 7th, 2010, 5:40 am

ranger wrote:Here is some 1:50 @ 22 spm (12 SPI), UT2 for a 6:20 2K.

df. is 123

In the video, I am rowing faster than any 60s lwt can row for 5K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4h1pfhDke0

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ehhh 1.50 pace for 5k takes 18.20 so you need to make that clip a bit longer. :lol:


But the good thing is, you seem to be able to stay away from the cookie jar, you haven't developed a pot belly yet like you did in the last 8 years out of season. Good job !

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 7th, 2010, 5:41 am

mikvan52 wrote:Are you alright this morning, Rich?
Sorry about the misquote.

I guess I am a bit excited.

This morning, I'm going to do my first 20K session OTW.

Then I'll try to hold it there for the rest of the summer and fall.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » July 7th, 2010, 5:43 am

To avoid any confusion, why don't you first tell us about the things you believe are wrong with your stroke, before the nay-sayers here project their negativity onto you by pointing out what they mistakenly believe are your flaws?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 7th, 2010, 5:46 am

PaulH wrote:To avoid any confusion, why don't you first tell us about the things you believe are wrong with your stroke, before the nay-sayers here project their negativity onto you by pointing out what they mistakenly believe are your flaws?
We all have "flaws" in our stroke, and most of us are aware of them.

But these flaws in my stroke, such as they are, just don't matter much, given that I am a 60s lwt doing 1:50 @ 22 spm (12 SPI) at UT2, just pulling naturally.

This is in the range of 10 seconds per 500m better than any 60s lwt has been able to do.

My stroke is now entirely adequate for my purposes.

Like everyone, I keep working on my flaws as much as I can.

And like everyone, no matter how much I work on my flaws, some will remain.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » July 7th, 2010, 5:48 am

So that's 10 strokes of 1:50@22spm (taking your word for it, even though your word is worth shit). Was your HR already at 155 when you stopped? Is this what you consider steady state rowing?

Your latest delusion is that this is a "FM stroke" that would give you the fastest 5K ever by a 60 yr old (if and when you actually row a 5K at this pace when you turn 60 several months from now). You therefore admit that you haven't even rowed 5K straight yet with your "marathon" stroke. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You have a LOT of york ahead of you.

Oh, and I pity your poor fluid if this is how you row on the water. See how your erg is jumping around? :shock: Not a good sign.
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » July 7th, 2010, 5:51 am

RICH: On a serious note: I have been meaning to ask you about all these videos of you sequestered in your garage............... How far out of level is your garage floor? I see a rack on the wall in the background which I assume was installed level. I compare this to the aspect of your erg. It seems that the floor of your garage is sloped, as is often the case: Your building contractor would have wanted a way to allow your "pools-o'-sweat" to drain out to the street gutters.

We do see what appears to be a 4x4 block against the garage door (is it?). I'm thinking you require this to restrain the erg from "goin' ballistic".
Do you know that C2 suggests that ergs should be rowed on the level. Novel concept, don't you think? Maybe you've chosen to row on a sloped floor so that you can be doing land training for white water kayak? :P

Do let us know about the floor. A 4-ft carpenters level will do the trick.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 7th, 2010, 5:55 am

macroth wrote:So that's 10 strokes of 1:50 @ 22 spm
Yep.

10 strokes on the video, to illustrate (all the flaws that remain in) my technique.

Off camera, I average about 3000 strokes a day, half on the erg and half OTW.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 7th, 2010, 6:00 am

macroth wrote:You have a LOT of york ahead of you.
i certainly hope so.

It wouldn't be any fun if I didn't.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » July 7th, 2010, 6:06 am

I'm thinking that Rich meant to post this other video of himself rather than the one he did this am :idea:




:? :? :?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » July 7th, 2010, 6:18 am

ranger wrote:
macroth wrote:So that's 10 strokes of 1:50 @ 22 spm
Yep.

10 strokes on the video, to illustrate (all the flaws that remain in) my technique.

Off camera, I average about 3000 strokes a day, half on the erg and half OTW.

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You only get a real idea of your stroke if you take a clip of a real test/race etc. What you posted has nothing to do with the technique you really use. So it's useless.

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Identical faults

Post by Citroen » July 7th, 2010, 7:39 am




Run them in parallel. Then explain what's changed, apart from the lighting, the bookshelves and the kit Ranger is wearing.

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Re: Identical faults

Post by KevJGK » July 7th, 2010, 8:03 am

Citroen wrote: Run them in parallel. Then explain what's changed.........
Leave the poor bloke alone.

This man broke 06:30 is in his 50s and he’s trying to get even better.

You should be asking him for his autograph if anything.
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