Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

bellboy wrote:
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE THE FM THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO AT THE END OF APRIL?

ranger replied:
I am just rowing at 25-27 spm, day after day.
4-to-1 ratio, UT1 HR
Hey.
Given that I am a 60s lwt pulling 11-13 SPI at 95 df., how can I lose training like this?
No need to worry about schedules.
What happens, happens.

TRANSLATION: NEVER

Hey.

Wanna know a secret?

Training isn't bad for you, especially if it is _great_ training.

Really.

No need to be afraid of it.

ranger

[jliddil]

bellboy wrote:
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE THE FM THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO AT THE END OF APRIL?

ranger replied:
I am just rowing at 25-27 spm, day after day.
4-to-1 ratio, UT1 HR
Hey.
Given that I am a 60s lwt pulling 11-13 SPI at 95 df., how can I lose training like this?
No need to worry about schedules.
What happens, happens.

TRANSLATION: NEVER

Hey.

Wanna know a secret?

Training isn't bad for you, especially if it is _great_ training.

Really.

No need to be afraid of it.

ranger

You should give it a try sometime

[ranger]

You should give it a try sometime

Yea, I'd like to get back out OTW.

But I'm a little afraid of the cold water.

I hear that the water in the Huron River is still below 40 dgrees F.

The water is also _very_ high and moving fast.

A guy in a kayak just got pinned against the bridge at Dexter, a few miles up river from Ann Arbor.

He had a wet suit, though.

ranger

[nharrigan]

You should give it a try sometime

Yea, I'd like to get back out OTW.

But I'm a little afraid of the cold water.

I hear that the water in the Huron River is still below 40 dgrees F.

The water is also _very_ high and moving fast.

A guy in a kayak just got pinned against the bridge at Dexter, a few miles up river from Ann Arbor.

He had a wet suit, though.

ranger

Aren't the Michigan crews rowing on this river?

You could always cartop your single to the Grand. Looks like Bryon is getting in a lot of miles on that river. It must be warmer with less current.

[Byron Drachman]

You could always cartop your single to the Grand. Looks like Bryon is getting in a lot of miles on that river.

I did 18K on the river this morning. There were some young ladies from the MSU Crew Club in singles this morning as well as the usual crews in larger boats. I have a date to row a double with a good friend this afternoon. Yes, the current is strong so you need to be extra careful near bridges. When the water is cold you should wear a PFD. The kind kayakers wear are totally comfortable and you forget you are wearing one. See the cold water boot camp video at youtube.

So, my race preparation is coming along beautifully.

That's wonderful news. So is my race preparation for running that sub-four minute mile. You might be wondering when that sub-four minute mile will happen. By a happy coincidence it appears we are on the same exact schedule:

No need to worry about schedules. What happens, happens.

I glanced down at the rail today, and, dang, the smudge spot from the front wheels on my seat was only four inches or so from front stops. When I put the front wheels of my seat on the smudge spot, the front edge of my seat was even with the bottom of my foot stretchers. Great length.

Unfortunately great length on the erg does not transfer to OTW. In order to get a decent catch angle OTW, you need to have enough balance at the catch to get your hands at least over the gunwales, if not even further outside the boat. In order to develop that balance, you need to be able to keep the blades off the water during the recovery. One way to learn to do that is to row with squared blades. I suggested that to you several years ago, but you responded that you were not interested in doing drills and instead just preferred to take perfect strokes. After all these years you still slobber on the feather. You say not? The video of you sculling and clearing the water on both sides during the recovery is probably locked away with all the other videos you were going to post.

[lancs]

Thought I'd check in to see if The Pathological One had posted any worthwhile evidence that he can do even a quarter of what he says he's doing. No surprise that I found none of course.

This is always a particularly fruitless time of year as far as TPO goes; he's always just failed to deliver a promised piece (take your pick from anyone of FM down to 500m over the years) and it's a long way to go until The Fall, when all kinds of magical things will happen. There isn't even a BIRC this year for him to come 3000 miles to either sit in the stands or heave his way to a 7min 2k bronze. All we have to keep us amused until then is the prospect of Ranger ploughing into an 8 at the merest hint of a turn in the river.

Good luck with getting past 10k @1:48, I see you've not managed it yet....

[ranger]

You could always cartop your single to the Grand. Looks like Bryon is getting in a lot of miles on that river. It must be warmer with less current.

Sorry.

Sub-40 degree water with a high current is dangerous.

I am 60 years old.

I am in no hurry.

I am not preparing for any specific races.

I am not on a team.

I am out there by myself in the early morning hours, with no one to get me out of trouble if I need help.

I am just learning to row.

And I have a large project I have been pursuing on the erg, so I row 20K each day on the erg before I go out OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

Good luck with getting past 10k @1:48

If you are rowing 1:48 at middlin' UT1, steady state, there is no limit to the distance, once you get completely habituated to the cadence.

My goal for 10K is 1:42 @ 28 spm.

That's a different matter.

Sure.

I won't get beyond 10K, 1:42 @ 28 spm, because it will push me beyond my threshold into AT.

ranger

[ranger]

In order to develop that balance, you need to be able to keep the blades off the water during the recovery.

My balance is fine, Byron.

Sorry if yours isn't.

ranger

[snowleopard]

If you are rowing 1:48 at middlin' UT1, steady state, there is no limit to the distance, once you get completely habituated to the cadence.

You're a > 7:00 2K erger. 1:45 pace for 2K will put your HR above AT. Your current 10K pace is around 1:54.

Try it. You'll see that I'm right. You will have to set a distance on the PM and row it down to zero though. You may find that unusually challening.

Erging is about outcomes not unrealisable goals.

[ranger]

Lancs--

What ratio are you in when you are stroking normally and rating 25 spm?

What drag do you row at?

ranger

[ranger]

You're a > 7:00 2K erger.

Training goes from the top down.

What you can do for 2K is first predicted by what you can do for a FM, not the other way around.

So we'll have to wait and see.

I have done a 6:27.5 2K, but that was rowing poorly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

I am _much_ better than that now.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

1:37.1/6:27.5 for 2K predicts 1:51.1 for a FM.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

If I pull a FM @ 1:48 @ 25 spm, now that I row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.), it will predict a 1:34/6:16 2K.

ranger

[Citroen]

Lancs--

What ratio are you in when you are stroking normally and rating 25 spm?

What drag do you row at?

ranger

What Paul does vs what you can't do is irrelevant. Why do you do that? Is it to push the focus away from your crap lack of performance and your inability to row 500m @ 1:48?

[ranger]

What Paul does vs what you can't do is irrelevant.

My improvement has been technical. Timing, sequencing, angles of leverage, drag, quickness, ratio, preparation, rhythmicity, etc., make quite a bit of difference in rowing.

Lancs is using his own rowing and training to judge mine.

That's fine if his rowing and training are like mine.

But given the focus of my training and the sources of my improvement, he is not in a position to do this unless he understands the role of technique in rowing.

And he doesn't seem to.

He doesn't row well at low drag.

He rows at a higher drag in a lower ratio with slower legs and less length with a longer drive time and less rest at a lower stroking power.

Etc.

So he doesn't know what he is talking about.

ranger

[ranger]

Unfortunately great length on the erg does not transfer to OTW.

But the inverse implication undoubtedly holds.

If you can't do it OTErg, and don't do it on the erg habitually, you can't do OTW, and won't do it habitually OTW.

Byron--

Can you do it OTErg-with proper footwork, angles of leverage, quickness, sequencing, timing, etc.?

The indication that you can is whether you can row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

Post a digipic of your force curve rowing naturally at 95 df.

Let's see what you are doing OTErg.

As a lightweight, to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.), you need to hit the top of the PM4 screen with your force curve--every time.

135 kg.F

I don't mean to pre-judge, and will be happy to have you show me otherwise, but I suspect you only get _half_ that peak force.

If so, you are doing things so _massively_ wrong it's absurd.

ranger