New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by edward.jamer » February 18th, 2022, 12:29 am

Yay me. Decided tonight was a good night for a 10k effort, and made a solid push in the last minute to best my previously time by 5 seconds.

Caveat: I've only made five 10k attempts in total so far. Barely edging out my old record isn't really a big deal.
But if I hadn't pushed myself at the end, this wouldn't have happened. I'm proud of myself for just caring enough to try. :D

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M
38:02.9	10,000m	1:54.1	235	1109	23
7:39.7	2,000m	1:54.9	231	1093	23
7:34.7	4,000m	1:53.6	238	1120	23
7:37.5	6,000m	1:54.3	234	1105	23
7:39.2	8,000m	1:54.8	231	1096	23
7:31.7	10,000m	1:52.9	243	1136	23
Happy erging, all!
Keep those flywheels spinning!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » February 18th, 2022, 1:51 am

edward.jamer wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 12:29 am
Yay me. Decided tonight was a good night for a 10k effort, and made a solid push in the last minute to best my previously time by 5 seconds.

Caveat: I've only made five 10k attempts in total so far. Barely edging out my old record isn't really a big deal.
But if I hadn't pushed myself at the end, this wouldn't have happened. I'm proud of myself for just caring enough to try. :D

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M
38:02.9	10,000m	1:54.1	235	1109	23
7:39.7	2,000m	1:54.9	231	1093	23
7:34.7	4,000m	1:53.6	238	1120	23
7:37.5	6,000m	1:54.3	234	1105	23
7:39.2	8,000m	1:54.8	231	1096	23
7:31.7	10,000m	1:52.9	243	1136	23
Happy erging, all!
Keep those flywheels spinning!
A PB is a PB no matter how small so well done, and that last 2k shows you'll go faster again next time too.

Don't lose sight of how this could be the beginning of more PBs if you want it to be. 1:54.1 is your new starting pace
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by winniewinser » February 18th, 2022, 4:31 am

edward.jamer wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 12:29 am
Yay me. Decided tonight was a good night for a 10k effort, and made a solid push in the last minute to best my previously time by 5 seconds.

Caveat: I've only made five 10k attempts in total so far. Barely edging out my old record isn't really a big deal.
But if I hadn't pushed myself at the end, this wouldn't have happened. I'm proud of myself for just caring enough to try. :D

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M
38:02.9	10,000m	1:54.1	235	1109	23
7:39.7	2,000m	1:54.9	231	1093	23
7:34.7	4,000m	1:53.6	238	1120	23
7:37.5	6,000m	1:54.3	234	1105	23
7:39.2	8,000m	1:54.8	231	1096	23
7:31.7	10,000m	1:52.9	243	1136	23
Happy erging, all!
Keep those flywheels spinning!
Well done!.....PB should never be sniffed at and a great last 2k too.
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by max_ratcliffe » February 18th, 2022, 5:38 am

edward.jamer wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 12:29 am
Yay me. Decided tonight was a good night for a 10k effort, and made a solid push in the last minute to best my previously time by 5 seconds.

Caveat: I've only made five 10k attempts in total so far. Barely edging out my old record isn't really a big deal.
But if I hadn't pushed myself at the end, this wouldn't have happened. I'm proud of myself for just caring enough to try. :D

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M
38:02.9	10,000m	1:54.1	235	1109	23
7:39.7	2,000m	1:54.9	231	1093	23
7:34.7	4,000m	1:53.6	238	1120	23
7:37.5	6,000m	1:54.3	234	1105	23
7:39.2	8,000m	1:54.8	231	1096	23
7:31.7	10,000m	1:52.9	243	1136	23
Happy erging, all!
Keep those flywheels spinning!
Very nice indeed, with a great final 2k. Of course, being able to speed up like that means you probably left a bit too much in the tank. Sub-38 next time for sure. Well done.
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PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Cassius » February 18th, 2022, 6:59 am

Tsnor wrote:
February 9th, 2022, 11:28 am
Cassius wrote:
February 6th, 2022, 12:54 pm
but if I was to change anything, what should it be? )
Endurance performance scales with time spent in zone 1/ Steady State. You are currently doing " three SS (~10k each)," In addition to the comments above, if you have the time, make the SS session longer. Good target would be 90 mins vs the 50-60 your using now (or 15-18K vs 10K).

Adding distance can increase the effort level. If you do add time/distance to your steady state you will need to monitor how you feel and see if your HR drifts up in the last 20 mins or so. You may need to drop your SS pace as you increase distance to meet the SS goal of little/no ANS impact. You may want to ramp up by adding only 10 mins/session (or 2K distance) a week until you get to your new SS target.
Just spotted this, thanks for the additional feedback.
My current SS pace is around 2:12, based on 5k PB of just under 1:56, but that's guesswork. I haven't got into heart rate monitoring yet, which is a whole new thing.
What is "ANS" impact?
43m 70kg 178cm. 500m: 1:38.8 (2022) - 2k: 7:16.6 (2019) - 5k: 19:17.4 (2022) - 10k: 39:44.4 (2022)

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by penkethj » February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am

Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
36 HWT; 6' 3"; 2k= 7:29; 5k= 18:50; 10k= 39:45; 30mins= 7,668m; 60mins= 14,654m; HM= 1:26:06; FM= 3:14:20; 50k= 3:49:42;
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » February 18th, 2022, 1:15 pm

penkethj wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am
Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
Great ✊🏻👌🏻
U40 is near 💪🏻
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:16.1
500m: 1:27.1
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by winniewinser » February 18th, 2022, 1:27 pm

penkethj wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am
Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
Massive jump.....congrats!
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by winniewinser » February 18th, 2022, 1:29 pm

Leg 3 of the Concept2 Tour De Skierg.....2km TT PB -23.9s

Went out hard and tried to hang on to as much of those gains during the middle 1200m before lighting the touchpaper on the last 400m. Targets I had in mind were minimum 1:56, probably 1:54, best 1:52......so really happy to break 7:30. Slightly dodgy knee held up OK.

07:28.1 2,000m 01:52.0 43
01:28.2 400m 01:50.2 45
01:30.2 800m 01:52.7 43
01:30.4 1,200m 01:53.0 42
01:30.8 1,600m 01:53.5 42
01:28.4 2,000m 01:50.5 45
Last edited by winniewinser on February 18th, 2022, 3:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Spinal » February 18th, 2022, 2:20 pm

winniewinser wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 1:29 pm
Leg 3 of the Concept2 Tour De Skierg.....2km TT PB -23.9s

Went out hard and tried to hang on to as much of those gains during the middle 1200m before lighting the touchpaper on the last 400m. Targets I had in mind were minimum 1:56, probably 1:54, best 1:52......so really happy to break 7:30. Slightly dodgy knee help up OK.

07:28.1 2,000m 01:52.0 43
01:28.2 400m 01:50.2 45
01:30.2 800m 01:52.7 43
01:30.4 1,200m 01:53.0 42
01:30.8 1,600m 01:53.5 42
01:28.4 2,000m 01:50.5 45
Smashed it B)

Good stuff well done 👏
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Row 2k 6:58.2 5k 18:43.8
Ski 5k 18:49.1 60mins 15105mtrs HM 1:23:59.6

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Spinal » February 18th, 2022, 2:23 pm

penkethj wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am
Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
Well done on a tricky distance, sub 40mins will come soon.
1981, 174cm, 70.5kg LWT
Row 2k 6:58.2 5k 18:43.8
Ski 5k 18:49.1 60mins 15105mtrs HM 1:23:59.6

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by DavidA » February 18th, 2022, 2:48 pm

penkethj wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am
Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
Woo Hoo!
Awesome improvement!
Sub-40 looks like it could be a possibility.

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Tsnor » February 18th, 2022, 2:57 pm

Cassius wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 6:59 am
Tsnor wrote:
February 9th, 2022, 11:28 am

Endurance performance scales with time spent in zone 1/ Steady State. You are currently doing " three SS (~10k each)," In addition to the comments above, if you have the time, make the SS session longer. Good target would be 90 mins vs the 50-60 your using now (or 15-18K vs 10K).

Adding distance can increase the effort level. If you do add time/distance to your steady state you will need to monitor how you feel and see if your HR drifts up in the last 20 mins or so. You may need to drop your SS pace as you increase distance to meet the SS goal of little/no ANS impact. You may want to ramp up by adding only 10 mins/session (or 2K distance) a week until you get to your new SS target.
Just spotted this, thanks for the additional feedback.
My current SS pace is around 2:12, based on 5k PB of just under 1:56, but that's guesswork. I haven't got into heart rate monitoring yet, which is a whole new thing.
What is "ANS" impact?
ANS is autonomic nervous system.

If you are rowing 1-3 times a week then don't worry about ANS stress. Drive your steady state workouts as hard as you like. If you are working out 4 or more times a week then keeping the steady state slow becomes important.

Hard activity puts stress on the autonomic nervous system and leads to one set of exercise adaptations (vo2 max, etc). Long slow steady state sessions put very little stress on your ANS and leads to a different set of adaptations (more mitochondria, blood volume, heart changes, etc). You want both. Doing more than 2-3 hard sessions a week overloads your body, this is true for both olympic athletes and recreational erg'rs. Goal is to keep the long slow sessions below the level where they cause ANS stress. If you go too hard (4+ hard sessions/week) you'll find (1) 6 to 8 weeks of great gains (2) a performance plateau, rising resting heart rate and bad trends in heart rate variance measurements followed by (3) symptoms of overreach and overtraining. If you go just right you'll find lower resting heart rate, long term sustained performance improvements, etc.

If you are not using a heart monitor and are working out 4 or more than times a week then you can use the "can you speak conversationally" test. If you can talk on the phone while rowing 2:12 splits then you are all set. If you are puffing every few words then back off a bit. Worse thing you can do is perform the slowest workout that triggers ANS stress - worst of both worlds. And the ANS stress stuff seems to be knife-edge not a smooth continuous range. So avoiding getting close to the edge is a good thing.

Aside. If each week you row hard and cycle hard and run hard the sum of all your hard sessions should still fit in the "max 3" hard sessions / week limit. Makes training plans interesting for triathletes.

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » February 18th, 2022, 2:58 pm

winniewinser wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 1:29 pm
Leg 3 of the Concept2 Tour De Skierg.....2km TT PB -23.9s

Went out hard and tried to hang on to as much of those gains during the middle 1200m before lighting the touchpaper on the last 400m. Targets I had in mind were minimum 1:56, probably 1:54, best 1:52......so really happy to break 7:30. Slightly dodgy knee help up OK.

07:28.1 2,000m 01:52.0 43
01:28.2 400m 01:50.2 45
01:30.2 800m 01:52.7 43
01:30.4 1,200m 01:53.0 42
01:30.8 1,600m 01:53.5 42
01:28.4 2,000m 01:50.5 45
Wow, great improvement, well done Alex!
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LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » February 18th, 2022, 3:02 pm

penkethj wrote:
February 18th, 2022, 11:45 am
Just took 2 mins 16 secs off my 10k PB!! Only been rowing for 2 months so know there is an element of newbie gains, but pretty pleased with today’s effort.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
40:41.3 10,000m 2:02.0 192 962 24 169
8:14.6 2,000m 2:03.6 185 937 24 158
8:12.5 4,000m 2:03.1 188 945 24 163
8:10.3 6,000m 2:02.5 190 954 25 169
8:07.8 8,000m 2:01.9 193 964 25 175
7:56.3 10,000m 1:59.0 207 1013 27 184
Well done, looks like sub 40 is reachable soon!
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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