New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by max_ratcliffe » June 19th, 2021, 4:17 am

winniewinser wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 1:02 am
max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 18th, 2021, 6:35 pm
Well done Alex,

A huge improvement - enjoy those newbie gains!

A slightly higher rate will get you sub-8 in no time. That'll use more of your rowing fitness rather than relying on strength. I rate too low on the skierg and even then I did my 2k at 40spm.
Thx Max 🙏

Tbh I struggle to generate any real speed on this machine, rating up or not. I think I need to review my technique 🤔. Definitely lacking in strength like the big guys but even rating up I'm not seeing splits below 2:00 that often. Something to work on though 👍😎
Too much triceps extension perhaps?

One of the Erics likens the stroke to slamming a slam ball, and I think that seems about right, with the movement being initiated at the hip flexors with a braced core. The arms work in a pullover motion with lots of work done by the lats (from an overhead position, as long as your shoulders are in good nick), and there's not as much tricep extension as there first appears.
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » June 19th, 2021, 5:32 am

winniewinser wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 1:02 am
max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 18th, 2021, 6:35 pm
Well done Alex,

A huge improvement - enjoy those newbie gains!

A slightly higher rate will get you sub-8 in no time. That'll use more of your rowing fitness rather than relying on strength. I rate too low on the skierg and even then I did my 2k at 40spm.
Thx Max 🙏

Tbh I struggle to generate any real speed on this machine, rating up or not. I think I need to review my technique 🤔. Definitely lacking in strength like the big guys but even rating up I'm not seeing splits below 2:00 that often. Something to work on though 👍😎
Being a tall lightweight does not help. Are doing any real upperbody strenght work. Things like pushups? Pullups woukd be tough I think. You could try some power work. Lower rate (24?) 1 min on/off. If you do this, keep the stroke normal, do not make it longer, but only stronger.

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by RWAGR » June 19th, 2021, 12:50 pm

10k PB: 37:55.1. First time sub 38!
Rob, 40, 6'1", 188 lbs. Potomac, MD, USA (albeit English-Australian originally).

2k: 6:45.4 (2023)
5k: 17:46.7 (2024)
30': 8,182 (2024)
10k: 36:49.9 (2024)
60’: 15,967 (2024)
HM: 1:20:27.4 (2024)
FM: 2:48:21.4 (2024)
100k: 7:43:28.2 (2024)

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » June 19th, 2021, 1:37 pm

RWAGR wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 12:50 pm
10k PB: 37:55.1. First time sub 38!
Well done Rob. A PB and a milestone broken too.
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dutch » June 19th, 2021, 5:10 pm

RWAGR wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 12:50 pm
10k PB: 37:55.1. First time sub 38!
Nice one, good time to dip below :)
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by max_ratcliffe » June 20th, 2021, 8:57 am

RWAGR wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 12:50 pm
10k PB: 37:55.1. First time sub 38!
Well done Rob,
Great milestone!
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24

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Post by max_ratcliffe » June 20th, 2021, 9:14 am

Well, despite my signature claims that it was NGTFH, the summer solstice challenge spurred me on to try a SkiErg HM.

1:32:23.7 21,097m 2:11.3 154 831 33

8:46.5 2,000m 2:11.6 153 828 31
8:47.1 4,000m 2:11.7 153 826 31
8:46.5 6,000m 2:11.6 153 828 32
8:46.6 8,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.7 10,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.6 12,000m 2:11.6 153 827 32
8:46.9 14,000m 2:11.7 153 827 35
8:46.5 16,000m 2:11.6 153 828 35
8:45.7 18,000m 2:11.4 154 830 35
8:45.2 20,000m 2:11.3 155 832 36
4:39.5 21,097m 2:07.3 169 882 39

It was fairly comfortable apart from the last four km when my left foot got pins and needles and I had to stamp a couple of times to get the feeling back (must have looked way cool). Faster than my best 60' piece too, although I've never done a 60' TT.

I guess "fairly comfortable" means I wasn't going hard enough, but I think it's going to hurt in the morning in any case.
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » June 20th, 2021, 11:40 am

max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 9:14 am
Well, despite my signature claims that it was NGTFH, the summer solstice challenge spurred me on to try a SkiErg HM.

1:32:23.7 21,097m 2:11.3 154 831 33

8:46.5 2,000m 2:11.6 153 828 31
8:47.1 4,000m 2:11.7 153 826 31
8:46.5 6,000m 2:11.6 153 828 32
8:46.6 8,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.7 10,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.6 12,000m 2:11.6 153 827 32
8:46.9 14,000m 2:11.7 153 827 35
8:46.5 16,000m 2:11.6 153 828 35
8:45.7 18,000m 2:11.4 154 830 35
8:45.2 20,000m 2:11.3 155 832 36
4:39.5 21,097m 2:07.3 169 882 39

It was fairly comfortable apart from the last four km when my left foot got pins and needles and I had to stamp a couple of times to get the feeling back (must have looked way cool). Faster than my best 60' piece too, although I've never done a 60' TT.

I guess "fairly comfortable" means I wasn't going hard enough, but I think it's going to hurt in the morning in any case.
NGTFH to IDFH, well done Max..and yes, fairly comfortable isn't acceptable.
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dino » June 20th, 2021, 2:57 pm

max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 9:14 am
Well, despite my signature claims that it was NGTFH, the summer solstice challenge spurred me on to try a SkiErg HM.

1:32:23.7 21,097m 2:11.3 154 831 33

It was fairly comfortable apart from the last four km when my left foot got pins and needles and I had to stamp a couple of times to get the feeling back (must have looked way cool). Faster than my best 60' piece too, although I've never done a 60' TT.

I guess "fairly comfortable" means I wasn't going hard enough, but I think it's going to hurt in the morning in any case.
Very well done Max. i cant imagine an hour and half on the Skierg!
Was this at the gym? I can just imagine someone else thinking "i'll nip on the skierg when that chap has finished...." :lol:
56M HWT
50+PB 1m 326m, 500m 1:38,7, 1k 3:31.6, 2k 7:16.8, 5k 19:06.6, 6k 23:26.0, 30m 7730m, 10k 39:26.1, 60m 15025m, HM 1:25:04.7, FM 2:59:26.0, 50k 3:49:17.3
A long way away from any of these PBs now!!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MartinSH4321 » June 20th, 2021, 3:35 pm

max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 9:14 am
Well, despite my signature claims that it was NGTFH, the summer solstice challenge spurred me on to try a SkiErg HM.

1:32:23.7 21,097m 2:11.3 154 831 33

8:46.5 2,000m 2:11.6 153 828 31
8:47.1 4,000m 2:11.7 153 826 31
8:46.5 6,000m 2:11.6 153 828 32
8:46.6 8,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.7 10,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.6 12,000m 2:11.6 153 827 32
8:46.9 14,000m 2:11.7 153 827 35
8:46.5 16,000m 2:11.6 153 828 35
8:45.7 18,000m 2:11.4 154 830 35
8:45.2 20,000m 2:11.3 155 832 36
4:39.5 21,097m 2:07.3 169 882 39

It was fairly comfortable apart from the last four km when my left foot got pins and needles and I had to stamp a couple of times to get the feeling back (must have looked way cool). Faster than my best 60' piece too, although I've never done a 60' TT.

I guess "fairly comfortable" means I wasn't going hard enough, but I think it's going to hurt in the morning in any case.
Well done Max, that's a looong time on the skierg!
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by iangallagher » June 20th, 2021, 7:19 pm

max_ratcliffe wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 9:14 am
Well, despite my signature claims that it was NGTFH, the summer solstice challenge spurred me on to try a SkiErg HM.

1:32:23.7 21,097m 2:11.3 154 831 33

8:46.5 2,000m 2:11.6 153 828 31
8:47.1 4,000m 2:11.7 153 826 31
8:46.5 6,000m 2:11.6 153 828 32
8:46.6 8,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.7 10,000m 2:11.6 153 827 33
8:46.6 12,000m 2:11.6 153 827 32
8:46.9 14,000m 2:11.7 153 827 35
8:46.5 16,000m 2:11.6 153 828 35
8:45.7 18,000m 2:11.4 154 830 35
8:45.2 20,000m 2:11.3 155 832 36
4:39.5 21,097m 2:07.3 169 882 39

It was fairly comfortable apart from the last four km when my left foot got pins and needles and I had to stamp a couple of times to get the feeling back (must have looked way cool). Faster than my best 60' piece too, although I've never done a 60' TT.

I guess "fairly comfortable" means I wasn't going hard enough, but I think it's going to hurt in the morning in any case.
well done Max. i shudder thinking about spending that long on the ski! impressive stuff
182cm; 89kg; 1km = 2.57.5; 2km = 6.19; 4mins = 1296; 5km = 16.49; 6km = 20.24; 30mins = 8605; 10km= 35.31; 60 minutes = 16205 HM = 1:18.50
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Post by iangallagher » June 20th, 2021, 10:27 pm

New 5km PB on the Skierg today. Beat the old one by 17 seconds which was a bit of a surprise.

Decided to not purposely try and rate over 40 which ive been consciously trying to do recently - instead just focus on pace and let rate come naturally.

Felt really comfortable so went for it in the last km when it looked like sub 17.30 was on.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
17:28.7 5,000m 1:44.8 303 1344 39
3:30.8 1,000m 1:45.4 299 1328 38
3:31.4 2,000m 1:45.7 296 1320 39
3:31.7 3,000m 1:45.8 295 1315 39
3:30.6 4,000m 1:45.3 300 1331 40
3:24.1 5,000m 1:42.0 329 1433 42
182cm; 89kg; 1km = 2.57.5; 2km = 6.19; 4mins = 1296; 5km = 16.49; 6km = 20.24; 30mins = 8605; 10km= 35.31; 60 minutes = 16205 HM = 1:18.50
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by hjs » June 21st, 2021, 3:49 am

iangallagher wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 10:27 pm
New 5km PB on the Skierg today. Beat the old one by 17 seconds which was a bit of a surprise.

Decided to not purposely try and rate over 40 which ive been consciously trying to do recently - instead just focus on pace and let rate come naturally.

Felt really comfortable so went for it in the last km when it looked like sub 17.30 was on.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
17:28.7 5,000m 1:44.8 303 1344 39
3:30.8 1,000m 1:45.4 299 1328 38
3:31.4 2,000m 1:45.7 296 1320 39
3:31.7 3,000m 1:45.8 295 1315 39
3:30.6 4,000m 1:45.3 300 1331 40
3:24.1 5,000m 1:42.0 329 1433 42
Very nice. Congrats. Pacing looks spot on. Still supriced you need so little spm, given your rowing rate. But do what works!

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Post by max_ratcliffe » June 21st, 2021, 8:35 am

Thanks all,
Dangerscouse wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 11:40 am
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NGTFH to IDFH, well done Max..and yes, fairly comfortable isn't acceptable.
I thought yesterday that this would be my one and only HM on the SkiErg, but I'm now thinking that I should have gone faster. Sub 1:30 isn't possible yet, but I think a split less would be achievable.
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June 20th, 2021, 2:57 pm
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Very well done Max. i cant imagine an hour and half on the Skierg!
Was this at the gym? I can just imagine someone else thinking "i'll nip on the skierg when that chap has finished...." :lol:
Haha, from erg-stalking the PM5, almost everyone else uses it for about a minute. There's a gym challenge for the fastest to 10cals (somebody's done it in 13.8s, which is really going some), but nobody apart from me has ever gone further than 2k. I had actually thought about it, so I started at about 8:40pm - only one other person in the gym, so hopefully it was okay.
MartinSH4321 wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 3:35 pm
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Well done Max, that's a looong time on the skierg!
When is the next sprint TT? You must be getting to the end of your latest mesocycle?
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June 20th, 2021, 7:19 pm
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well done Max. i shudder thinking about spending that long on the ski! impressive stuff
Well you wouldn't spend as long, unless you were doing 25k! :) But yeah, it did seem a long time, especially when the pins and needles struck.
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by KeithT » June 21st, 2021, 9:59 am

RWAGR wrote:
June 19th, 2021, 12:50 pm
10k PB: 37:55.1. First time sub 38!
Nice - a great milestone to hit.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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