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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 9th, 2021, 8:07 am
OregonERG wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
I am not sure how I feel about this PB. It hurt a lot and I only improved a tiny bit. I guess any PB is good but, man, this was tough. It was after work and I was tired all afternoon. My legs felt flat and yet I had the Hour Row on my schedule so I decided to just slog through it. My SPM was dragging a bit from the start, my arms and legs felt dead. Yet I squeezed out a 37m improvement in the
Hour Row --- 15,779m (1:54.0 pace) at 29 SPM and a heart-rate of 159. Now I am tired.
The best PBs are the ones that really drain you, as you are really pushing your current limits.
Well done, great job

51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 9th, 2021, 8:10 am
winniewinser wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 1:41 pm
I couldn't let Martin take all the limelight....so strapped in and flapped around for 100m to PB by 0.2s



. Don't worry, I know this is rubbish, even for a late forties LWT. I'm never going to be really quick on the short stuff.
0:17.5 100m 1:27.5 51
0:04.8 25m 1:35.9 50
0:04.2 50m 1:24.0 57
0:04.2 75m 1:24.0 43
0:04.2 100m 1:24.0 57
Another one bites the dust
Nothing rubbish about it mate, and it's not playing to your strengths. Mo Farah will never win the World's Strongest Man, but he's no less impressive for it
Well done mate, it's another PB so you should be proud
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 9th, 2021, 8:16 am
KeithT wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 2:57 pm
500M PB at 1:21.3
Nothing too exciting here. I felt I was in a good place to give this a go and inspired by Martin thought I would do it today. I felt good after warming up and decided to split the TT into 2 sections with a plan to be right on past PB pace (1:21.9) at 250M and then try to go faster. First 250 went as planned, I did a few more quick half strokes than usual (hence the higher SPM) and then settled in and was at 1:22 halfway, I then put as much force as I could on the stroke and dropped the pace to 1:19/1:20 and held until about 60M to go when I faded pretty hard. Considering the way I felt, the overall pacing being good and such I really don't think I can do better unless I work on speed/power. My low pulls are slower than they used to be but I am able to hold near max efforts longer now. I may try 2K soon as that's the big one and the one I really want to focus on more though I will also do a FM soon as I want to make that an annual thing.
Time/Mtrs/Pace SPM
1:21.3/500/1:21.3/48
:41.0/250/1:22.0/51
:40.3/250/1:20.6/45
Nothing too exciting?! You and Alex are far too modest. This is really strong mate, and a really good result.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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KeithT
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by KeithT » April 9th, 2021, 8:20 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 8:16 am
KeithT wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 2:57 pm
500M PB at 1:21.3
Nothing too exciting here. I felt I was in a good place to give this a go and inspired by Martin thought I would do it today. I felt good after warming up and decided to split the TT into 2 sections with a plan to be right on past PB pace (1:21.9) at 250M and then try to go faster. First 250 went as planned, I did a few more quick half strokes than usual (hence the higher SPM) and then settled in and was at 1:22 halfway, I then put as much force as I could on the stroke and dropped the pace to 1:19/1:20 and held until about 60M to go when I faded pretty hard. Considering the way I felt, the overall pacing being good and such I really don't think I can do better unless I work on speed/power. My low pulls are slower than they used to be but I am able to hold near max efforts longer now. I may try 2K soon as that's the big one and the one I really want to focus on more though I will also do a FM soon as I want to make that an annual thing.
Time/Mtrs/Pace SPM
1:21.3/500/1:21.3/48
:41.0/250/1:22.0/51
:40.3/250/1:20.6/45
Nothing too exciting?! You and Alex are far too modest. This is really strong mate, and a really good result.
Thanks, with a 2 second improvement recently on the 1K I thought maybe I could do more but my power just isn't there to do any better and I am OK with that as fitness is better.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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KeithT
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by KeithT » April 9th, 2021, 8:22 am
iangallagher wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 6:27 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 2:57 pm
500M PB at 1:21.3
Nothing too exciting here. I felt I was in a good place to give this a go and inspired by Martin thought I would do it today. I felt good after warming up and decided to split the TT into 2 sections with a plan to be right on past PB pace (1:21.9) at 250M and then try to go faster. First 250 went as planned, I did a few more quick half strokes than usual (hence the higher SPM) and then settled in and was at 1:22 halfway, I then put as much force as I could on the stroke and dropped the pace to 1:19/1:20 and held until about 60M to go when I faded pretty hard. Considering the way I felt, the overall pacing being good and such I really don't think I can do better unless I work on speed/power. My low pulls are slower than they used to be but I am able to hold near max efforts longer now. I may try 2K soon as that's the big one and the one I really want to focus on more though I will also do a FM soon as I want to make that an annual thing.
Time/Mtrs/Pace SPM
1:21.3/500/1:21.3/48
:41.0/250/1:22.0/51
:40.3/250/1:20.6/45
Blimey Keith! Thats an amazing time!!! Really well done buddy. That pacing is superb
Thanks, I have said I think it's about the best I could do unless I trained to get more power/speed - first time I have negative split a 500M too, usually fly and die.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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KeithT
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by KeithT » April 9th, 2021, 8:29 am
hjs wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 3:10 am
KeithT wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 2:57 pm
500M PB at 1:21.3
Nothing too exciting here. I felt I was in a good place to give this a go and inspired by Martin thought I would do it today. I felt good after warming up and decided to split the TT into 2 sections with a plan to be right on past PB pace (1:21.9) at 250M and then try to go faster. First 250 went as planned, I did a few more quick half strokes than usual (hence the higher SPM) and then settled in and was at 1:22 halfway, I then put as much force as I could on the stroke and dropped the pace to 1:19/1:20 and held until about 60M to go when I faded pretty hard. Considering the way I felt, the overall pacing being good and such I really don't think I can do better unless I work on speed/power. My low pulls are slower than they used to be but I am able to hold near max efforts longer now. I may try 2K soon as that's the big one and the one I really want to focus on more though I will also do a FM soon as I want to make that an annual thing.
Time/Mtrs/Pace SPM
1:21.3/500/1:21.3/48
:41.0/250/1:22.0/51
:40.3/250/1:20.6/45
Nice work, not 100% Keith, done as a anti sprinter
Thanks, it's funny I use to live for the short tests now I feel I have sort of reached my limits there as power is less and as I get older and am not focused there don't see it getting better. I think that's why the 1K I still my best distance as I have "enough" power but increased fitness and it's a good in between. I really want to get my 2K down, need to test it to see where I am.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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KeithT
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by KeithT » April 9th, 2021, 8:33 am
OregonERG wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
I am not sure how I feel about this PB. It hurt a lot and I only improved a tiny bit. I guess any PB is good but, man, this was tough. It was after work and I was tired all afternoon. My legs felt flat and yet I had the Hour Row on my schedule so I decided to just slog through it. My SPM was dragging a bit from the start, my arms and legs felt dead. Yet I squeezed out a 37m improvement in the
Hour Row --- 15,779m (1:54.0 pace) at 29 SPM and a heart-rate of 159. Now I am tired.
This is a great PB - they all are but this was done when not feeling at your best and you pushed thru. Should give you good confidence.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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winniewinser
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by winniewinser » April 9th, 2021, 10:52 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 8:10 am
Nothing rubbish about it mate, and it's not playing to your strengths. Mo Farah will never win the World's Strongest Man, but he's no less impressive for it
Well done mate, it's another PB so you should be proud
Way too kind mate.....hopefully something more to my strengths tomorrow when I hit the 60'

.....15700-15800 hopefully
6'2" 52yo
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Recent 2k - 7:19
All time 2k - 6:50.2 (LW)
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hjs
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by hjs » April 9th, 2021, 11:34 am
KeithT wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 8:29 am
Thanks, it's funny I use to live for the short tests now I feel I have sort of reached my limits there as power is less and as I get older and am not focused there don't see it getting better. I think that's why the 1K I still my best distance as I have "enough" power but increased fitness and it's a good in between. I really want to get my 2K down, need to test it to see where I am.
Yeah 500 is very much about power, given your 1k and current topspeed is about what you should expect. You certainly should give the 2k a few goes. Maybe a 6.25 ish is possible, given both your speed and better aerobic fitness.
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max_ratcliffe
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by max_ratcliffe » April 10th, 2021, 2:56 am
OregonERG wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
I am not sure how I feel about this PB. It hurt a lot and I only improved a tiny bit. I guess any PB is good but, man, this was tough. It was after work and I was tired all afternoon. My legs felt flat and yet I had the Hour Row on my schedule so I decided to just slog through it. My SPM was dragging a bit from the start, my arms and legs felt dead. Yet I squeezed out a 37m improvement in the
Hour Row --- 15,779m (1:54.0 pace) at 29 SPM and a heart-rate of 159. Now I am tired.
I agree with others. You should be delighted with this PB. All timed pieces go this way - it seems you have to bust a gut to squeeze out an extra few metres.
KeithT wrote: ↑April 8th, 2021, 2:57 pm
500M PB at 1:21.3
Nothing too exciting here. I felt I was in a good place to give this a go and inspired by Martin thought I would do it today. I felt good after warming up and decided to split the TT into 2 sections with a plan to be right on past PB pace (1:21.9) at 250M and then try to go faster. First 250 went as planned, I did a few more quick half strokes than usual (hence the higher SPM) and then settled in and was at 1:22 halfway, I then put as much force as I could on the stroke and dropped the pace to 1:19/1:20 and held until about 60M to go when I faded pretty hard. Considering the way I felt, the overall pacing being good and such I really don't think I can do better unless I work on speed/power. My low pulls are slower than they used to be but I am able to hold near max efforts longer now. I may try 2K soon as that's the big one and the one I really want to focus on more though I will also do a FM soon as I want to make that an annual thing.
Time/Mtrs/Pace SPM
1:21.3/500/1:21.3/48
:41.0/250/1:22.0/51
:40.3/250/1:20.6/45
Don't know why there's nothing to be excited about - it looks very good to me. Almost perfectly to plan, the last 60m notwithstanding.
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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OregonERG
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by OregonERG » April 10th, 2021, 11:01 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑April 10th, 2021, 2:56 am
OregonERG wrote: ↑April 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
I am not sure how I feel about this PB. It hurt a lot and I only improved a tiny bit. I guess any PB is good but, man, this was tough. It was after work and I was tired all afternoon. My legs felt flat and yet I had the Hour Row on my schedule so I decided to just slog through it. My SPM was dragging a bit from the start, my arms and legs felt dead. Yet I squeezed out a 37m improvement in the
Hour Row --- 15,779m (1:54.0 pace) at 29 SPM and a heart-rate of 159. Now I am tired.
I agree with others. You should be delighted with this PB. All timed pieces go this way - it seems you have to bust a gut to squeeze out an extra few metres.
I know what you guys mean. I just felt like the old PB (15,742m) was fairly doable. Started slower, worked the pace up, finished with my best splits on the back half of the row. This was the opposite... I "tried my hardest" the whole time, felt like I was faltering, and then only had a good 1km at the end by dint of pure effort (and loud music). I was wrecked. When I saw that I'd only improved 37m, I was not too happy...
But you guys are right, a PB is a PB and hey, if I can do it on a day when I felt pretty sluggish, maybe I can get 16km/hour someday!
48 years, 6'0 & 170 lbs. | 2km - 6:59.2 / 5km - 18:13.7 / 30 min - 8085m / 10km - 37:12.5 / Hour Best - 15,823m
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 10th, 2021, 4:09 pm
OregonERG wrote: ↑April 10th, 2021, 11:01 am
But you guys are right, a PB is a PB and hey, if I can do it on a day when I felt pretty sluggish, maybe I can get 16km/hour someday!
Some days you're the statue, other days you're the pigeon. Trying for a PB is never as simple as you'd like it to be, as you will know from your running & swimming background, but I generally have a gut feeling after about five minutes if it's on or not.
It took me years to get my personal holy grail of a sub 36 10k, and I mean many many attempts. I stalled at 36:21, and just couldn't improve. Then, with some very productive training, I managed a 35:46.
It's very true that possibly one day your original PBs will be your training pace.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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by bardmars » April 11th, 2021, 11:43 am
I played around with the damper settings lately, before I just put it up to 10, but reading more about it realized that a bigger number isn't always better.
At any rate I was able to beat my previous 2000m time by 15 seconds today, and got a 6:59. Obviously extremely happy about beating the 7 minutes.
Time - Meter
6:59.0 - 2000
1:44.4 - 500
1:45.7 - 1000
1:45.5 - 1500
1:43.5 - 2000
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nick rockliff
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by nick rockliff » April 11th, 2021, 11:57 am
bardmars wrote: ↑April 11th, 2021, 11:43 am
I played around with the damper settings lately, before I just put it up to 10, but reading more about it realized that a bigger number isn't always better.
At any rate I was able to beat my previous 2000m time by 15 seconds today, and got a 6:59. Obviously extremely happy about beating the 7 minutes.
Time - Meter
6:59.0 - 2000
1:44.4 - 500
1:45.7 - 1000
1:45.5 - 1500
1:43.5 - 2000
Nice one, well done.
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 11th, 2021, 12:32 pm
bardmars wrote: ↑April 11th, 2021, 11:43 am
I played around with the damper settings lately, before I just put it up to 10, but reading more about it realized that a bigger number isn't always better.
At any rate I was able to beat my previous 2000m time by 15 seconds today, and got a 6:59. Obviously extremely happy about beating the 7 minutes.
Time - Meter
6:59.0 - 2000
1:44.4 - 500
1:45.7 - 1000
1:45.5 - 1500
1:43.5 - 2000
That's a very impressive improvement, and a huge milestone has been broken. Well done
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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