Challenge 10K week 43 - 2K week 51

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Post by tomhz » October 1st, 2007, 6:26 pm

DUThomas wrote: Tom, 11 seconds in 4 weeks should be doable. How was your pacing on the row? Did you have much left in the tank?
I had an even pace going from 1:58.5 at the start to 1:57 with 500m to go.
Final 300m was 1:55 - 1:50.

I can get the 11 sec by starting a bit faster and by having some competition during the race. :roll:


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Post by Gerhard » October 2nd, 2007, 12:08 pm

Tuesday 2-10

In an attempt to build on my strengths I decided to do a 1000 for a change.

PB of 3:26.7. That's 4 seconds off and I feel I can do better when I sharpen up a little and gain some strength. This 10K thing actually seems to help!
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Post by Bob S. » October 2nd, 2007, 12:37 pm

Gerhard wrote: PB of 3:26.7. That's 4 seconds off and I feel I can do better when I sharpen up a little and gain some strength. This 10K thing actually seems to help!
My old coach used to say that if you trained for the long races the short one would take care of themselves. In those days, the regular college races were 2, 3, and 4 miles and the only short one was the 2k. This philosophy worked fine for him. Three of his college eights brought back olympic gold, 1928 at Amsterdam, 1932 at Long Beach, and 1948 at London. His 1939 crew set the 4 mile record at the IRA Poughkeepsie Regatta, which was the grand finale of U.S. college rowing back in those days.

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Re: Challenge 10K week 43 - 2K week 51

Post by johnlvs2run » October 2nd, 2007, 10:29 pm

Gerhard wrote:Time for a new challenge after the succesfull 5K challenge. The first 8 weeks will be focussed on improving endurance tresholds, which should result in a 10K PB in week 43.

The improved endurance should form a proper base for a record chasing 2K in week 51, just before the holiday season.

This tread will contain regular progress reports.

Feel free to join, even if your personal targets are different. Just set yourself a target for week 43 (and/or week 51), even if your target distance is different. It's not about beating us, it's about beating yourself.
Interesting thread. I would join but you're all much faster at the sprints.

When is week 43? Is this based on a certain training program?

My goal for this month is under 41 minutes. I did 40:34 in the spring, didn't row much in the summer and did 41:52 early in September. Then I bonked at 14 minutes trying to better that time a few days ago.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
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Post by DUThomas » October 3rd, 2007, 9:32 am

Week 43 is the week of October 21st. The last challenge was 8 weeks ago (week 35), and the next one is 8 weeks later (week 51, before the holiday binge eating). I don't know whether it's based on a training program -- I'm just following Gerhard! :D But whether it's based on a training program or not, its very existence has helpfully given some purpose and rigor to my exercise regimen. (I hesitate to use the word "training" since I'm not really training for anything other than better health.)

Please note that the three of us all have set different targets for ourselves, so being slower at sprints shouldn't preclude you from joining if you're otherwise so inclined.
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Post by andyb2004 » October 3rd, 2007, 1:23 pm

So here you are :-) Thanks for the invite.
This looks a great motivational thread - nice idea!

My current goal is to complete a FM. I have not really trained as such, but since I mostly row 10ks, albeit slowly, I thought that working a bit harder over the past month or so would get me through it.
I can see that I am progressing in my fitness by updating my PB's. I did the 5k a week or so back, the 2k Friday and the HM Sunday (7min improvement :D ). This week I am taking it a little easier!

I have a wk42 off and here I plan to try the FM. So depends how that goes I might be able to do the 10k later the same week.
After that I can hopefully jump in and follow your challenges properly.

BTW I'm not planning any heroics on the FM - I will be happy to finish in anything under 3 1/2 hours - I just want to know I can do it. Maybe if you set this as a future chalenge?!! I will go for a more targetted time.

Look forward to getting involved - cheers.

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Post by DUThomas » October 3rd, 2007, 3:23 pm

Welcome to our challenge!

Good luck on your FM attempt! I still haven't tried that (and don't see it in my near future either!).

My rowing this week has been dreadful. I had no energy either Monday or yesterday and could barely go 6K at a so-so pace.

Today, I felt much better, so I tried for a PB on a 1K after a decent warmup. My heart wasn't in it; it was quite the fly-and-die! So I tried again -- flew lower, died later. :(

By the way, Gerhard, good work on your 1K PB! :D
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Post by tomhz » October 3rd, 2007, 3:28 pm

andyb2004 wrote:BTW I'm not planning any heroics on the FM - I will be happy to finish in anything under 3 1/2 hours - I just want to know I can do it. Maybe if you set this as a future chalenge?!! I will go for a more targetted time.
Interesting idea! David and Gerhard: How about a challenge for a FM in week 8 of 2008? I know two or three other people that would be interested in a FM on Rowpro by then.

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Post by DUThomas » October 3rd, 2007, 3:36 pm

tomhz wrote:How about a challenge for a FM in week 8 of 2008?
Gulp! :shock:

ok
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Post by Bob S. » October 3rd, 2007, 5:10 pm

andyb2004 wrote:
BTW I'm not planning any heroics on the FM - I will be happy to finish in anything under 3 1/2 hours - I just want to know I can do it. Maybe if you set this as a future chalenge?!! I will go for a more targetted time.
Your 92:48 for the HM is just under a 2:12/500m pace. By the conventional formula of adding five seconds of pace for doubling the distance (i.e. 2:17.0), this would give 3:17:15.4 for a FM, well below the 3 1/2 hours. Actually, for the longer distances, I think that five seconds is too high. I recently did both and the pace difference was 4.2 seconds. The big problem in the FM is not a problem of running out of steam because the pace is too fast. It is a matter of the long time spent and the resultant butt pain, joint pains, and dehydration. If you go slower, the time just gets longer.

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Post by johnlvs2run » October 3rd, 2007, 5:19 pm

I got in a good 10k session this morning.

5' warm up at 2:24 at 26 spm
2 sets of 5 and 4 1/2 x 4:00 at 2:04 pace and 29 spm
with 4:00 easy ~2:25 after each and 2:14 pace for each 40' overall
heart rates at the end of the sets were 144/119 and 145/119
5x 1:00 at 1:49.5 at 35 spm with 1:00 rests
5' warm down at 2:24

My breathing was out of whack on the 8th rep and it affected my heart rate, so I lay on my back on the floor for a minute in the middle of it, which turned out to be 3:07 pace and I didn't count that one in the average.
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Post by Gerhard » October 4th, 2007, 5:32 am

DUThomas wrote:
tomhz wrote:How about a challenge for a FM in week 8 of 2008?
Gulp! :shock:

ok
My but hurts by the very thought of it :? ....Can we extend the preparation time with a few weeks and do the FM around week 10 or 12? I'll join the FM challenge. And I'll regret it.
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Post by andyb2004 » October 4th, 2007, 7:12 am

Thanks Bob for the advise on FM pace. What were your HM and FM paces out of interest. How fast (slow :?: )to go has certainly been on my mind.

As for the FM to become a challenge it was half a joke, but if you really did want to try it then I agree with Gerhard that a little longer to prepare might be wise. A common theme in the training is to do some long pieces in the build up, so maybe you could set a series of challenges en route? HM is an obvious stepping stone, with sub 90 min being a great starting point to build a decent FM time on. Then maybe 2 hrs solid row, followed by the FM a few weeks after that?

Anyhow, I didn't mean to come here and hijack the thread :oops: I hope this is not distracting from the current goal. I promise to give some serious thought to a 10k target, and provided the FM doesn't kill me I will give it a shot the same week as the rest of you.

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Post by Gerhard » October 4th, 2007, 7:53 am

DUThomas wrote:Welcome to our challenge!

Good luck on your FM attempt! I still haven't tried that (and don't see it in my near future either!).

My rowing this week has been dreadful. I had no energy either Monday or yesterday and could barely go 6K at a so-so pace.

Today, I felt much better, so I tried for a PB on a 1K after a decent warmup. My heart wasn't in it; it was quite the fly-and-die! So I tried again -- flew lower, died later. :(

By the way, Gerhard, good work on your 1K PB! :D
I guess your target-beating 10K has something to do with your temporary lack of motivation. Just enjoy it and do some easy rows.
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Post by DUThomas » October 4th, 2007, 9:19 am

Gerhard wrote:I guess your target-beating 10K has something to do with your temporary lack of motivation.
You're probably right. Combined with extra work stress and feeling a bit under the weather, that would do it. Anyway, today I did a low rate (2:03.6 at 22 spm) 5K, followed by a higher rate (1:59.5 at 26 spm) 2K. A good row.

A longer training time for a FM is probably smart. I may just put the FM down as a goal to be done at some point in 2008, with shorter target distances at the 8-week intervals. But I'm game for an HM challenge!
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