Lessons learned at first ergatta

trailrunner · Post by **trailrunner** » March 5th, 2007, 6:35 pm

The pedal drive was a flop, even though it in theory could be more efficient (so I was told) than conventional oars and sliding seat. My goal is to someday convert it back to the way it was.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » March 5th, 2007, 6:58 pm

RowtheRockies wrote:[quote="PaulSWhat do you mean like Running?

Running #4) Smaller, shorter guys of similar fitness will beat you. Heck they may not even be as fit!

Paul,

My apologies, I seem to have hit a nerve with you. If anything seems like whining, it is your statement. In TR's original thread, he stated that "Bigger Taller" athletes of Similar Fitness will always win. You then appeared to whine by stating that A smaller athlete that is less fit can beat a big fit guy in a running race.

No big deal, they are two different realms. Giants dominate erging and small guys dominate running (In general). OTW seems to be a middle ground where size is not as important.

Which one would you rather rely on to reach civilization and find help if your plane crashed in the middle of the Cascades thirty miles from the nearest civilization, the small fit guy or the big guy that is not as fit?

Rich[/quote]

Sorry, something lost in the translation. My giving a different Point of view, based on the original whiny sounding observation should sound like whining. That was the point. You have interesting selectivity, must be a lwt thing.

The big guy, he's got more energy onboard to burn and will probably last longer in the weather. Plus he could simply cook the smaller guy and carry the extra food along with a lot less trouble.

Done a lot of hiking in the cascades, never had to resort to cannabalism yet.

Should we continue? Admittedly it's fun, but is there a point?

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » March 5th, 2007, 7:36 pm

trailrunner wrote:Here is what it looks like.

I gotta learn to crop this picture down

Yes. It is screwing up the whole damn page. I have to scroll right and left, back and forth for almost every line of each message. Bloody nuisance!

Bob S.

p-fitz · Post by **p-fitz** » March 5th, 2007, 7:38 pm

PaulS wrote:Should we continue? Admittedly it's fun, but is there a point?

Antagonizing overly sensitive lightweights is the point!

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » March 5th, 2007, 7:44 pm

PaulS wrote: Done a lot of hiking in the cascades, never had to resort to cannabalism yet.

Your intended dinner was able to out-run you?

Couldn't resist that one, Paul.

Bob S.

RowtheRockies · Post by **RowtheRockies** » March 5th, 2007, 8:24 pm

No, No Need to continue. As far as antogonizing goes, Anyone that feels the need to do that is obviously making up for some other short coming or insecurity in their man-hood.

Rich,
(By definition, not a lwt, but pretty damn close.)

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » March 5th, 2007, 10:19 pm

Bob S. wrote:
PaulS wrote: Done a lot of hiking in the cascades, never had to resort to cannabalism yet.
Your intended dinner was able to out-run you?

Couldn't resist that one, Paul.

Bob S.

Well, If I actually had to chase it down it probably could, but those freeze dried delicacies aren't too quick on their feet.

And lookie what we've done now, the near lwt is speculating that others must have some insecurities to be playing this game, how nice and ego-centric.

OTOH, I've been quite clear over the years that I'm currently satisfied to be "Pretty fast, for a girl." Manley enough for ya there, RTR?

Seriously, I'd never try to antagonize a lwt, I like the little fellas, they don't eat or drink much, leaving more for me. They can get a bit exciteable when near weight and dieting, but it's easy to let them go off on their own and deal with it. I've even been known to get along quite well with a few, but also to not get along with the ones that really work toward that end. All good fun, and as said initially (but must have been ignored) "No offense intended". However, if I were to bring up others presumed insecurities as a rhetorical whip, it would be for the very specific offending nature of such a thing, though I can't see a need for that here, so I'll try not to assume anyone to have similar motivations.

Row Hard, No Excuses!

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » March 5th, 2007, 10:50 pm

PaulS wrote:
Bob S. wrote:
PaulS wrote: Done a lot of hiking in the cascades, never had to resort to cannabalism yet.
Your intended dinner was able to out-run you?

Couldn't resist that one, Paul.

Bob S.
Well, If I actually had to chase it down it probably could, but those freeze dried delicacies aren't too quick on their feet.

Actually, I had this mental picture of you and a giant chicken (with an odd shuffling gait) in an isolated cabin in the Klondike.

Bob S.

trailrunner · Post by **trailrunner** » March 6th, 2007, 7:42 am

The chain! The chain! What about that rusty chain!

RowtheRockies · Post by **RowtheRockies** » March 6th, 2007, 9:39 am

trailrunner wrote:The chain! The chain! What about that rusty chain!

TR,

sorry for Hijacking the thread!! First off, congratulations on your first erg competition. My only regret after doing my first (and only at this point) was that their is only one a year that is within a few hundred miles. Don't fret too much about that rusty chain. My precise calculations tell me that a rusty chain is worth exactly 6.1 seconds off of your 2K time.

Cheers,

Rich

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » March 6th, 2007, 10:19 am

RowtheRockies wrote:
trailrunner wrote:The chain! The chain! What about that rusty chain!
TR,

sorry for Hijacking the thread!! First off, congratulations on your first erg competition. My only regret after doing my first (and only at this point) was that their is only one a year that is within a few hundred miles. Don't fret too much about that rusty chain. My precise calculations tell me that a rusty chain is worth exactly 6.1 seconds off of your 2K time.

Cheers,

Rich

c2jonw has mentioned the surprising amount of energy that can be wasted by having to deal with a tight or rusty chain, though I have not ever seen it quantified quite so precisely as RTR is doing. The rust alone would not really be an issue, but rather the potential for tight links to develop, which have the secondary symptom of skipping on the cogs while pulling. Perhaps a 2k Time Trial at home could provide the necessary metric for an accurate comparison.

BobS,

You've been havng flashbacks to Mickey training Rocky Balboa perhaps. Though there's bound to be a budding comedian that might attempt the inquiry about the difference between Culinary and Perverted, when such images are mentioned.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » March 6th, 2007, 11:57 am

trailrunner wrote:The chain was so rusty when you'd pull hard you could feel the roughness on the chain meshing with that highly stressed sprocket. By the time I realized how rough this poor old erg was all the other units were assigned. It made me appreciate my model D.

I'll say the rusty chain and roughness made anywhere from 6 to as much as 20 seconds difference in your time.

I've noticed that putting a few drops of oil on the chain the day before time trials makes at least a difference in feel and smoothness, and thus speed, on an already well-maintained erg.

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » March 6th, 2007, 2:03 pm

PaulS wrote: BobS,
You've been havng flashbacks to Mickey training Rocky Balboa perhaps.

? I guess that I don't get the connection. C.C.'s little tramp predates S.S.'s Rocky by a half a century or so. My flashbacks go waayy back.

Bob S., co-hijacker.

p-fitz · Post by **p-fitz** » March 6th, 2007, 2:12 pm

RowtheRockies wrote:As far as antogonizing goes, Anyone that feels the need to do that is obviously making up for some other short coming or insecurity in their man-hood.

Ha, that's funny! The same can be said about anyone who feels the need to row lightweight.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » March 6th, 2007, 3:14 pm

I firmly believe that we are all equally able to utilize our freedom to row, regardless of weight, height, age, fitness, gender or anything else.

I am happy that we all have the freedom of choice to do this and we do.

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