Danish Nationals

From the CRASH-B's to an online challenge, discuss the competitive side of erging here.
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Post by Anders » February 12th, 2007, 8:56 am

Check the video of his 6:06.5 junior WR at the same website:
http://www.quistmedia.dk/roklub/sm/vide ... enrik.html

To me he doesn't look like a guy pushing max. This was also the case at the Danish nationals where he also looked fairly relaxed. Either he is hiding pain exceptionally well or I think Luini, Eskild and Mads will find that they need to be considerbly faster than 6:06.

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Post by Ray79 » February 12th, 2007, 12:55 pm

Anders wrote:Check the video of his 6:06.5 junior WR at the same website:
http://www.quistmedia.dk/roklub/sm/vide ... enrik.html

To me he doesn't look like a guy pushing max. This was also the case at the Danish nationals where he also looked fairly relaxed. Either he is hiding pain exceptionally well or I think Luini, Eskild and Mads will find that they need to be considerbly faster than 6:06.
Cheers Anders,

I agree, by the looks of that he is either exceptional at hiding pain or has more in the tank. Do you think the Open WR could go at WIRC?
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Post by PaulS » February 12th, 2007, 2:11 pm

Ray79 wrote:
Anders wrote:Check the video of his 6:06.5 junior WR at the same website:
http://www.quistmedia.dk/roklub/sm/vide ... enrik.html

To me he doesn't look like a guy pushing max. This was also the case at the Danish nationals where he also looked fairly relaxed. Either he is hiding pain exceptionally well or I think Luini, Eskild and Mads will find that they need to be considerbly faster than 6:06.
Cheers Anders,

I agree, by the looks of that he is either exceptional at hiding pain or has more in the tank. Do you think the Open WR could go at WIRC?
He's very well drilled, no flailing under severe stress. The letting go of the handle is a good indicator that he was definitely out of gas, we all learn to never do that really early in training, and the very brief flash back down to him looked like the piper had come to be paid. Great to see a R36+ look like that, not many can. B)
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Post by Anders » February 12th, 2007, 6:08 pm

What does R36+ mean?

Well, it will be interesting to see how he responds if challenged. He doesn't seem to have Eskilds finish but then again who ever did?
If he isn't seriously challenged at WIRC I guess there is a risk that we will not know because at only 18 there is a chance/risk that he will improve to a degree where the opponents just can't touch him. It is kind of funny that he rowed 6:06.5 in November and then still, after injury, in the end of January is able to row 6:07 - that is either a fairly long season at that level or he wasn't peaking in October... (I guess we will soon know).

I personally think that a sub 6 time inside a few years it is a pretty safe bet and I just don't see any other going there. Reiner, who himself was once a national team rower for many years and handles Concept2 in Denmark including the Danish indoor rowing team, states that he has never seen anything remotely like him in regard to talent.

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Post by johnlvs2run » February 12th, 2007, 6:29 pm

Thanks for another great video, Anders! :)

I like his consistent 40-44 rating, much more even than Ebbesen's.

EE's way to fast start and slow middle was a weakness that Stephansen doesn't have.

It will be interesting to see if he changes that tactic for Boston.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by Anders » February 12th, 2007, 6:36 pm

EEs' very fast start and slow (slow haha) middle and very fast finish isn't a weakness. Eskild once put it like this "While no meters come for free some are cheaper than others!"

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Post by PaulS » February 12th, 2007, 6:53 pm

Anders wrote:What does R36+ mean?

Well, it will be interesting to see how he responds if challenged. He doesn't seem to have Eskilds finish but then again who ever did?
If he isn't seriously challenged at WIRC I guess there is a risk that we will not know because at only 18 there is a chance/risk that he will improve to a degree where the opponents just can't touch him. It is kind of funny that he rowed 6:06.5 in November and then still, after injury, in the end of January is able to row 6:07 - that is either a fairly long season at that level or he wasn't peaking in October... (I guess we will soon know).

I personally think that a sub 6 time inside a few years it is a pretty safe bet and I just don't see any other going there. Reiner, who himself was once a national team rower for many years and handles Concept2 in Denmark including the Danish indoor rowing team, states that he has never seen anything remotely like him in regard to talent.
Stroke Rate 36+ when we join the video he does 18.5 strokes in the first 30 seconds, R37, continues that for a bit and then really ramps it up jsut before the finish.

If he can go Sub-6 I'm sure he will, it's been right there for lwts to shoot at forever, and not done yet. Karsten Brodowski is not a lwt, but has done quite well as a teenager on the GER team, approaching quite high Erg performance levels since he was 16.
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Post by johnlvs2run » February 12th, 2007, 6:56 pm

Fast or slow, meaning relative to his average pace. :D

Anyway, some like that method but I always like the even pace method much better.

The Danish Championships were a great example of this. Stephensen was 3rd after the 1st 500 meters, then had the fastest middle. The last 500m was the same for all three. Stephansen's even pace method is what decided the race.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by johnlvs2run » February 12th, 2007, 7:40 pm

Henrick Stephansen's first 1st 14 strokes at the Danish Championships took only 14.1s, at a rate of 59.6 spm.

The next camera view showed 21 strokes in 31.1s and 40.5 spm.

Then the final camera view showed 37 strokes in 54.4s for a rating of 40.8 spm. The finish of the race was not shown.

According to the stats, his stroke ratings averaged 44, 41, 41, and 42 spm, thus 42 spm overall.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by PaulS » February 12th, 2007, 9:08 pm

John Rupp wrote:Henrick Stephansen's first 1st 14 strokes at the Danish Championships took only 14.1s, at a rate of 59.6 spm.

The next camera view showed 21 strokes in 31.1s and 40.5 spm.

Then the final camera view showed 37 strokes in 54.4s for a rating of 40.8 spm. The finish of the race was not shown.

According to the stats, his stroke ratings averaged 44, 41, 41, and 42 spm, thus 42 spm overall.
So he upped the rate an slowed down overall just a bit. Fair enough.
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Post by johnlvs2run » February 12th, 2007, 9:28 pm

The 1st 500m was the fastest, 2nd and 4th the same, and 3rd 500m the slowest.

Henrik Stephansen (Roklubben Furesø)
1:30.8 1:31.7 1:32.8 1:31.8 - 44 41 41 42 - 3:02.5 4:35.3 6:07.1

All were within 1 second of the average though. That's pretty good pacing. :)
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by stroke_1t » February 21st, 2007, 1:10 pm

Seeding is up for Crash-b...anybody know why Elia Luini isn't in there? Henrik has an excellent chance of winning, he's beat his other major competition.

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Post by johnlvs2run » February 25th, 2007, 8:15 pm

The Danes at Wirc-Boston:
http://www.concept2.com/movies/race14.mov

Results:
http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/results_ ... php?race=3

Henrik Stephansen race analysis:
1:29.5 1:31.9 1:32.5 1:32.7 - 1:29.5 3:01.4 4:33.9 6:06.6
http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/race_ana ... sen&race=3
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by mpukita » February 25th, 2007, 8:20 pm

John Rupp wrote:The Danes at Wirc-Boston:
http://www.concept2.com/movies/race14.mov

Results:
http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/results_ ... php?race=3

Henrik Stephansen race analysis:
1:29.5 1:31.9 1:32.5 1:32.7 - 1:29.5 3:01.4 4:33.9 6:06.6
http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/race_ana ... sen&race=3
It was a joy to watch ... as was Nik Fleming's race ... and a whole host of others ...

... and I had to edit this to add Carla Stein's name ... what a gutsy row ... she reeled in 3rd place with a heroic effort ... fantastic!
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Post by stroke_1t » February 26th, 2007, 7:19 pm

Craziest part of the race: stephansen throwing his erg all over the place off the start...I was a little busy and thought maybe his erg broke or something when I heard the announcer but then somebody showed me video. He wound up the rating so high that the check sent his erg running into the stands. Unbelievable effort, definitely my favorite race of the day. That and the junior lightweight women... not the traditional crowd bringer but you gotta love that last second down to the wire finish.

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