The Road to Boston 2007

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by Bob S. » November 2nd, 2006, 1:04 pm

whaskell wrote: Hi Bob,
I have been trying to focus on technique lately as well. I envy you being able to have Xeno check out your form and give pointers. I think I am going to have to purchase his technique CD. My wife took some photos of me rowing the other day and I think my technique needs some work. I find that when I try to focus on one part of the stroke the other parts get neglected. It is certainly challenging putting all the pieces together into one smooth stroke cycle (or multiple cycles).
Will,

When it comes to focus, I have always been impressed with your consistency in maintaining a steady rate and pace. I had reached the point where I felt that I was doing fairly well on that, but nowhere near as constant as you. I did reasonably well with the rates, but my paces weren't as cotrolled as I would like. Now, however, with trying to change my technique, my rate control has softened and my paces are completely out of whack. I guess that I just need to have a lot of patience and persistence to keep working away at it.

Bob S.

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Post by seat5 » November 2nd, 2006, 9:40 pm

Today's workout was another mad dash between driving duties...managed a 3 x 7 AT with 3 min rests, 2K w/u and 5 in cool down and a shower in less than an hour. Whew.

1779 1:58.1/26
1791 1:57.2/26
1795 1:56.9/26
Max pace again was supposed to be 1:59. It was pretty easy.

Tom, last year I hurt the backs of my knees doing the 30 r 20 for the CTC. What I found I was doing was jamming my legs down with a snap so the knees were almost hyper extended. It took a while to stop hurting and I still have to be careful to leave the knees "soft" at the end of the drive.

I have my first TR workout in 7 sessions. I think when the TR start kicking in I'm going to add a 5 session--probably just a 10K or 60 min 10MPS piece around AT pace (but faster spm). I think this program is just lacking enough distance--well, I started it with a pretty meager base and I just think I need more endurance work.
Carla Stein--F 47 HWT

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Post by TomR » November 2nd, 2006, 10:49 pm

plan said AT 2x8

I did AT 3x8.

1.59.0/23 spm
1.59.8/23 spm
2.02.8/23 spm

All ended w/ HR at 152. Two 8-min intervals seems to easy if I limit my HR, so I did three.

Carla, as you can see, I too am adding to the IP prescription. You could download the 5-day IP plan and see how that looks. As I mentioned, I am adding 2 mins to the UT1 intervals. That means the total times and distances during medium and longs weeks is about right. For example, 5x10 becomes 5x12, 3x17 turns into 3x19. That's a fair bit of time at UT1, especially the pace you row.

Tom

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Post by seat5 » November 3rd, 2006, 12:06 am

I was toying with the idea of doing 4 x 7 AT tonight but I had just barely enough time as it was. That's kind of usual, so I think I'm better off actually adding a 5th session than making the prescribed workouts longer. But I maybe able to leave work just 20 minutes earlier as the winter goes on and the office is quieter. I'll have to play it by ear. Adding just a few minutes to each interval would be good.
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Post by Bob S. » November 4th, 2006, 4:04 pm

Yesterday’s (Friday’s) session was a real comedy of errors. It started Thursday when I had a new eye problem develop, but went into town anyway to do my treadmill and weight workout. It didn’t get any worse, but it didn’t get better either, so I stopped by the optometrist before going home. The next available appointment time would have been in December, but I convinced the receptionist that this was a possible emergency, so she said that she could work me in late Friday morning. I didn’t get up early enough Friday to get in my usual routine and do my planned erg session as well, so I decided to wait until after the appointment to see how I felt about doing the IP erg session in the late afternoon.

The optometrist came to the conclusion that I should see the opthamologist (the only one in town) and gave him a call. I really lucked out on that one. I found out later that he doesn’t usually work on Friday, but he was in that day and was willing to see me right away. Very convenient, since my eyes were already doped up with belladonna or whatever they use nowadays to dilate the pupils. It was a short six blocks to the other office and I managed to navigate it in spite of the blur. I was there a couple of hours getting checked out and treated — very bright lights and an injection in the cornea —ugh. It was about 13:30 when I was ready to go home and the fog had cleared enough that I was ready to make the 15 mile trip home, with possible stops to give the eye a rest. I had a couple of in-town errands to run in order to make full use of the 30 mile round trip, but all thought of these had evaporated completely from my mind. I got home with no real problem, had a belated lunch, and checked out all the usual crap on the net. It was almost 16:00 by the time I finally got on the erg.

I am currently using level three which calls for 4-5 days a week, but I have convinced myself that I should erg only on alternate days, so I pick three of the four to do each week. This left a choice of 2x7’AT or 2x12’UT1 for the third session this week. The AT was just a repeat of Wednesday, so, naturally I went for the UT1.

The room where I use the erg was once part of the garage and has garage type fluorescent lights. I have suspected that the occasional failure of the erg heart monitor to register might be due to interference from the ballasts of the lights. Friday, with that in mind and my eyes still looking like black saucers, I decided to leave the lights off and workout in the light from the little window at the far end of the room. There was enough light, but I was getting a direct reflection of the window and had a lot of trouble trying to read the monitor. After I finished a 12’ minute warmup (3’ each @ 15/18/20/22 2559m (2:20.6) ave HR 116), I turned the erg at an angle to get rid of the reflection before I started the first IP piece.

The first piece, 12’ UT1 @ 24spm with a goal of 2:18.3—2:23.2, was quite sloppy. I ended up with 2607m (2:18.0), ave. HR 137, but I was having a tough time trying to read the monitor, even with the reflection gone and my splits were quite irregular. I assumed that it was just blurry because of the eye dilation, but was puzzled because it seemed better when I briefly removed my glasses. An hour later, long after the workout was done, I suddenly realized that I had the wrong glasses on all that time! I still had my computer glasses on instead of my regular ones! No wonder the monitor was blurry! I had also forgotten to bring in a towel and had mistimed my water consumption and pit stops.

That was not the last of my miscues that day. I was disappointed in the HR monitor performance. The down times seem to be just as bad with the fluorescent lights off as when I had them on. In both the warmup and the first piece, I had left the monitor set on the default split time of 3’ for the 12’ total time. On the second piece I decided to use 1’ split times in order to pick up more HR readings, instead of just the four averages. The piece did not go well at all. It was very difficult to keep my focus and the pace was much too fast for UT1. It ended up at 2656m (2:15.5), ave. HR 148. I was eager to see the 12 split breakdown of this piece, but when I clicked on the details button, there were only two lines! Just the average line and one split! I had set it for one 12’ split instead of twelve 1’ splits!

The cool down was an anticlimax. Just for the symmetry of it, I took 12’ for that as well — 3’ each @ 20/18/15/12 — 2392m (2:30.5) ave. HR 121, final HR 116.

Not my best day. I suppose that I was screwing everything up because I was upset about this eye business. Monday is supposed to be a test piece. After doing a USIRDS time trial just 8 days ago, I need another test like I need another hole in my head, but I suppose that I will go along with it. At least it will be another comparison of altitude vs sea level.

Bob S.

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Post by whaskell » November 4th, 2006, 4:35 pm

Saturday Morning
10min WU - 2325m
AT 2x8min / max pace 1:50 / 26-28spm
Target:- 2x8min / avg pace 1:52.0 / 27spm / 2:45min rest
Actual:- 8min / avg pace 1:51.5 / 27spm / 2152m
Actual:- 8min / avg pace 1:50.8 / 27spm / 2167m
Total session: 5552m
10min CD - 2284m

Good session, felt easy. I am ready for some harder sessions. It looks like the coming weeks will provide some more challenging sessions. Tomorrow is supposed to be a day off, but I may try to find an online race to participate in.
Will Haskell, M50, lwt

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Post by TomR » November 4th, 2006, 5:46 pm

Hey Bob, Since you did a 2k recently, I don't think there's any need for you to do another. But if a 2k is your idea of fun, then enjoy yourself.

Will, The "easy" weeks do seem to have the psychological effect of leaving us eager to train harder.

Tom

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Post by Bob S. » November 4th, 2006, 9:52 pm

TomR wrote:Hey Bob, Since you did a 2k recently, I don't think there's any need for you to do another. But if a 2k is your idea of fun, then enjoy yourself.
Tom
No, I don't really regard it as fun, but the trials are for different purposes and under different conditions. I did an IP trial here a while back and the result was 8:17.1. This is what I have been using since then as a base for setting my pace bands. The trial a little over a week ago was the team requirement. I did that at sea level in order to be reasonably competitive. The result was 7:57.9, but it is useless as a pace base, since I am doing the IP at altitude. The 2k for Monday is a regular IP test to judge whether or not to readjust my pace base. There is a formula for adjusting erg times for differing altitudes, but it is only based on theory and the actual effect is highly individual.

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Post by seat5 » November 5th, 2006, 1:02 am

Bob, that sounds like it was just one bad day, period. Thank goodness those don't come along all that often! I hope your eyes are OK and it was just a temporary thing.

A few years ago I had a 3 week period where I just couldn't seem to focus properly and it was making me so crazy. Finally I got in to see the optometrist and after 20 minutes of examining and fiddling around he found the trouble: I had my contacts in the wrong eyes!!

Tomorrow I start week 7 with 12' AT. It looks like this is an "easy" week for me--3 x 10' UT1, 12' AT, and then 2 x 8 AT. It's followed by the next week starting with the Dreaded Test. I think I may exchange the 3 x 10 UT1 with a 30 minute piece at the same pace and rate. Or maybe I will be naughty and just do an unrestricted 30 min. It's the first workout of the week and I'll have a whole week before the DT.
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Post by Anne » November 5th, 2006, 8:10 am

Tom, I was interested in your comment to Will that some of the weeks on the plan are easier,and hence more encouraging than some of the others. It makes sense.

I've never really studied the plan too much--have stuck to the prescribed workouts faithfully. I can easily get sidetracked and then might rationalize quitting and I don't want to do that. So, last week I slogged through Week 10 and struggled holding the paces, with a faulty monitor one day, with people interupting me at the gym in the midst of an AT piece (I kept rowing but huffed and puffed as I told them to scram (graciously :!: :?: ). Like Carla, finding the time to squeeze in a workout is a major challenge and I have short changed warm-up times. And, other physical activities (OTW, strength training, running) could be culprits in draining my energy...Enough confession and excuses.

Bob's piece on Strokes and lats was helpful and recognized I could extend my stroke length a bit to take advantage of my height.

Yesterday I did session 1 for week 11 (2x10'AT) and it felt easier than other AT pieces. Now, the HR monitor on the erg kept flickering, so perhaps I just couldn't see how hard I was working. Ended up at 2:09.1- 27SR. Am heading out to do the 4x11" UT1 (my favorite session) right now. Goodie!

I don't wear glasses very much, but my worst mishap was when the optometrist mixed up the lenses (L and R). I stumbled around for a while with no focus....kind of like periods on the erg.

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Post by ChrisH » November 5th, 2006, 8:52 am

I've been reading this thread with interest for the last few weeks. Hope you all don't mind. I'm in week 7 of the IP and today is TEST day for me.I have to ready myself mentally for this distance and all that goes with a 2k. In addition to the mental challenge, last Saturday I woke up and was unable raise my left arm without tremendous left shoulder and neck pain. Seems in trying to get a little longer reach at the catch I tense my shoulders or something. My wife thinks I'm crazy because my shoulder feels much better after I erg than if I just rest. Sorry to ramble, perhaps I'm just avoiding what I should be doing.......that dam test. :twisted:
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Post by seat5 » November 5th, 2006, 9:24 am

Welcome, Chris, & please post about your workouts and how they are going! That is what this thread is for. How did your test go? Did you rate free or go with a TR rate? & did you strap in? My week 7 is coming up next week. By the way, how did you pick the number of weeks on your program? If it was to coincide with Crash B either I'm running a week late or you are a week early.
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Post by ChrisH » November 5th, 2006, 11:43 am

Hi Carla, I started the IP at the Level 3, 5 sessions a week, but had to adjust to 4 sessions. My body seems to need to some extra recovery time. I'm training for a race in February, not the Crash B's, not sure which one and will adjust for a specific race date as needed.
Mixed results for my test. My goal was not to blow up and to negative split whatever the pace was. 2k splits:
2:00.8 27s/m
1:59.2 25s/m
1:59.0 26s/m
1:59.0 25s/m
1:58.8 25s/m
1:58.0 26s/m
1:57.4 27s/m
1:57.0 27s/m
7:54.7 1:58.6/500 26s/m
I did strap in, as practice for race day, but always row strapless. Through out the test I tried to concentrate on keeping the rate at 28s/m. When pressed I usually slow down and pull harder. Anyway..... Lots of room for improvement. Suggestions anyone?
Good luck with your test next week.
Chris
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Post by TomR » November 5th, 2006, 12:34 pm

Chris--

Looks like an exellent test, controlled and well-paced.

Doesn't everyone strap in for a 2k? (In fact, I strap in for everything except low-rate warm-up and cool downs.)

The stroke rates are fairly low for a 2k. Is your plan gradually to increase the rates on TR pieces?

I'm glad to hear your wife thinks you're crazy. That means you're doing something right.

Tom

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Post by whaskell » November 5th, 2006, 12:54 pm

Good job Chris. Do you have any goals for your race in February?

Throughout the IP I have been doing all my AT, TR and test pieces strapped in. All UT1 workouts are done strapless.
Will Haskell, M50, lwt

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