OTW times Vs. Erg times

[driver]

I wanted to know what sort of times others are getting over 2k on the water in correlation to their erg times and weight to see where i can improve my own times (technique/fitness/weight loss) so if i could hear what some of you guys have done that would help a lot (particularly in single sculls )

I've been rowing in a single for almost a year and am beginning to plateau with my times, I got a 7.52 recently which I think is about 20 seconds off of the fastest time in that category, any advice to shave off that much time would be appreciated!

[mpukita]

I'm just getting into OTW rowing, so this comment may be a bit niave. But, isn't comparing times OTW a bit like trying to hit a moving target? Isn't it really about how fast you can move your boat vs. others on that day? In my case, wind and current can make a HUGE difference in times. So, unless you're on a very protected piece of water, with no current (and maybe you are), wouldn't this be a tough comparison to make?

[PaulS]

I wanted to know what sort of times others are getting over 2k on the water in correlation to their erg times and weight to see where i can improve my own times (technique/fitness/weight loss) so if i could hear what some of you guys have done that would help a lot (particularly in single sculls )

I've been rowing in a single for almost a year and am beginning to plateau with my times, I got a 7.52 recently which I think is about 20 seconds off of the fastest time in that category, any advice to shave off that much time would be appreciated!

What is your category?
1x speed as a percentage of C2 Erg speed (m/s) (From AUS Gold Medal Standards)
Junior Men: 87%
Lwt A Men: 90%
A Men: 86%
Junior Women: 91%
A Lwt Women: 95%
A Women: 91%

[driver]

I'm just getting into OTW rowing, so this comment may be a bit niave. But, isn't comparing times OTW a bit like trying to hit a moving target? Isn't it really about how fast you can move your boat vs. others on that day? In my case, wind and current can make a HUGE difference in times. So, unless you're on a very protected piece of water, with no current (and maybe you are), wouldn't this be a tough comparison to make?

I see where you're coming from, but i need at least some standard to compare myself to the guys i race against. The time that I stated was done on a lake and in almost no wind so it's at least comparable to other times done in near perfect conditions as well.

Thanks PaulS, I'm in the junior men's category but i'm not too sure how to work out what my time would be based on my erg times, is it 87% of watts? or m/s? and is weight a factor?

[SlugButt]

Hi Paul,

Very interesting info. Thanks for posting it!

David

[julieofarc]

What is your category?
1x speed as a percentage of C2 Erg speed (m/s) (From AUS Gold Medal Standards)
Junior Men: 87%
Lwt A Men: 90%
A Men: 86%
Junior Women: 91%
A Lwt Women: 95%
A Women: 91%

Paul, does this mean that 1x speeds are slower than erg speeds? (Are you multiplying erg time by the percentage?) Just wanted to make sure I understood....

Also, do you have such percentages for 8's? I have recently been wondering what I should be aiming for on the erg power-wise to be equivalent to a specific time in an 8. (If, say, we wanted to beat last year's HOCR women's club 8 boat which finished in 16:49- hey, we can dream!- what should we each be capable of on a purely power level?)

Julie in CO

[PaulS]

driver,

The AUS standard adjustments are all done in meters/sec.
As it shows a 4% difference between Open and Lwt senior men, it would probably be fair to say that this would also exist for lwt juniors. (making it 91% for lwt junior men).

julieofarc,

Yes, 1x speeds are generally slower than Erg Speeds, due to both technique and power requirements.
The M4- is the closest to being represented by the C2 Erg speed (98% iirc)
All 8+ move faster than the Erg speeds, and it varies quite a bit between gender and weight classes. HOCR is particualrly difficult to compare due to navigation concerns and conditions, so you would really need to know what the winning boat could do on a straight course in good conditions to get an idea for comparison. The Erg always assumes perfect technique and conditions.

The C2 weight adjustment calculator is for an 8+, basically giving a potential 8+ pace for a boat full of clones, or it could be looked at as your personal boat moving potential for each individual.

[jamesg]

I scull mornings on my lake when there's no wind. I'm 65, 85kg now.

Yesterday it took me 51 minutes for the length (4500m according to the map) and back, sculling at 18 and doing 3-4' pulls starting every 5'. This is as much as I can do, despite sawing about 2" of the end of the C2s - HR goes up by leaps and bounds, tho not so fast after the carpentry. The water is dead, smoothies are horribly efficient and the catch is instantaneous. The boat's a Filippi Italia S.

I guess the boat drifts about 100m when I stop, for which praise be, and so some sums suggest I pull at apx 2:20/500.

Dry, I usually wo at around 2:06 continuous 20-30'.

[driver]

I scull mornings on my lake when there's no wind. I'm 65, 85kg now.

Yesterday it took me 51 minutes for the length (4500m according to the map) and back, sculling at 18 and doing 3-4' pulls starting every 5'. This is as much as I can do, despite sawing about 2" of the end of the C2s - HR goes up by leaps and bounds, tho not so fast after the carpentry. The water is dead, smoothies are horribly efficient and the catch is instantaneous. The boat's a Filippi Italia S.

I guess the boat drifts about 100m when I stop, for which praise be, and so some sums suggest I pull at apx 2:20/500.

Dry, I usually wo at around 2:06 continuous 20-30'.

Mine's a janousek with the cheapest C2 blades I could find so not quite your filippi and homemade blades


Would different boats affect your speed much, i.e is an empacher going to be a lot faster than a janousek? and what sort of time would a boat that's made for a heavier rower cost me over 2k? mine was ordered for the 85-90kg weight range and I'm about 77kg