Line Of Force Application To The Fan

[[old] GeorgeD]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 17 2005, 12:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 17 2005, 12:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Birds fly.<br /><br />I have no need to prove that they fly.<br /><br />Needing to prove or have "facts" for everything would be a severe restriction on learning, open mindedness, and capacity for understanding basic concepts and realities. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John that is a naieve comment in the context of the argument and in relation to your 'statement' ... not only that but it treats others who seek to 'discuss' this rationally with contempt and hence de-values your position.<br /><br />It is obvious that you dont like the way the C2 is designed and that is fine and you are free to modify yours as you see fit to meet your needs, but why you continue to denigrate the machine is unclear. Most of us however are willing to accept that all inventions are somewhere short of perfect, but then so are we who use them.<br /><br />George<br /><br />ps I bet there are also more people that dont care whether it mimics a boat than do - so who cares.

[[old] BobD]

RIGHT ON!! George <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-GeorgeD+Apr 16 2005, 09:24 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(GeorgeD @ Apr 16 2005, 09:24 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 17 2005, 12:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 17 2005, 12:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Birds fly.<br /><br />I have no need to prove that they fly.<br /><br />Needing to prove or have "facts" for everything would be a severe restriction on learning, open mindedness, and capacity for understanding basic concepts and realities. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John that is a naieve comment in the context of the argument and in relation to your 'statement' ... not only that but it treats others who seek to 'discuss' this rationally with contempt and hence de-values your position.<br /><br />It is obvious that you dont like the way the C2 is designed and that is fine and you are free to modify yours as you see fit to meet your needs, but why you continue to denigrate the machine is unclear. Most of us however are willing to accept that all inventions are somewhere short of perfect, but then so are we who use them.<br /><br />George<br /><br />ps I bet there are also more people that dont care whether it mimics a boat than do - so who cares. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Another iggy for the iggy bin. <br /><br />The world is a better place now.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 16 2005, 03:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 16 2005, 03:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Birds fly. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What about Emu's and Ostriches?<br /><br />Ducks do however, <span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>QUACK!!!! </span></span>

[[old] Exrook]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 16 2005, 07:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 16 2005, 07:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Needing to prove or have "facts" for everything would be a severe restriction on learning, open mindedness, and capacity for understanding basic concepts and realities. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires.”<br /><br />Just read this quote from the Mass for the cardinals before they were sequestered to select the next Pope. For some reason I thought of John...

[[old] John Rupp]

How unique, a dictatorship of people thinking for themselves.<br /><br />No more slaves, no more guilty women, less donations to "authorities". <br /><br />Freedom of expression and ideas, creative thinking.<br /><br />A healthy population.<br /><br />Scary stuff!!!

[[old] BobD]

And some of these people will never, ever let themselves be confused by facts and the demand for proof. If you can't prove it , quantify it, then it is superstition, hearsay or a rumor. Oh and did I mention "Politically Correct", never having "problems" only "issues"? <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 18 2005, 12:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 18 2005, 12:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How unique, a dictatorship of people thinking for themselves.<br /><br />No more slaves, no more guilty women, less donations to "authorities". <br /><br />Freedom of expression and ideas, creative thinking.<br /><br />A healthy population.<br /><br />Scary stuff!!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] nysaag]

This thread leads me to ask...were John R's times done on a jacked erg?

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-nysaag+Jun 30 2004, 06:23 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(nysaag @ Jun 30 2004, 06:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I use a plastic runner that I purchased from the local hardware store.  I believe that it is about 36" wide and that is not wide enough to catch all the sweat.  A gutter type edge would help prevent run-off.  I too use a piece of wood to prevent a forward slide.  If the one C2 is planning to offer prevented sliding if would be helpful. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />All of my times were done on a regular erg, as modified by C2, like everyone else rows on at erg competition events.<br /><br />It was not set up on a piece of wood, plastic, or rubber or anything else.<br /><br />Also I did not unmodify the modifications that C2 made to the erg.<br /><br />Personally I think your setting the erg on wood or plastic does nothing for the times. I did experiment for a few weeks with having the front legs raised but found no difference so then set the legs back down on the ground.<br /><br />However you should note that raising the legs on wood does nothing to adjust the relationship between the railing and the axle. This can be done only by changing the relationship of the height of the axle, above a line from the top of the railing (or the seat).

[[old] PaulH]

John,<br /><br />C2 don't make modifications to the erg, by definition; whatever they ship is the erg in its unmodified state.<br /><br />Cheers, Paul

[[old] Exrook]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 18 2005, 01:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 18 2005, 01:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How unique, a dictatorship of people thinking for themselves.<br /><br />No more slaves, no more guilty women, less donations to "authorities". <br /><br />Freedom of expression and ideas, creative thinking.<br /><br />A healthy population.<br /><br />Scary stuff!!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The key is not creative thinking, though that is very important, it is critical thinking. Questioning authority is great, but you need to listen to the answer and realize that sometimes an authority is an authority for a good reason.<br /><br />There was a case in Italy recently where a science program (Superquark) broadcast a show critical of the homeopathy industry. The show was promptly sued. The host of the show said something I think is appropriate here:<br /><br />"Science is not like philosophy, where viewers can listen to both sides and decide for themselves. Science cannot be decided on by the vote of viewers."<br /><br />After reviewing the evidence, the judge in the case found for the show, and said something else in his findings that seems to fit:<br /><br />"Science, in fact, is not a matter of mere categories of opinion. In the scientific field, either something is, or it is not. Either a treatment works, or it doesn't. And if it works, it is necessary to demonstrate that fact with clear scientific findings backed up by a solid statistical base."

[[old] John Rupp]

Creative thinking is useful whereas critical thinking is not.<br /><br />I can see that birds fly. This is freeing for me.<br /><br />However you are unable to prove that birds fly, thus limited.<br /><br />Modern pseudo science, taking definitive stands the way it does with "facts", "studies", and "research" is limited this way too.<br /><br />The really scary things are closed minds.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulH+Apr 19 2005, 04:46 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulH @ Apr 19 2005, 04:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->John,<br /><br />C2 don't make modifications to the erg, by definition; whatever they ship is the erg in its unmodified state.<br /><br />Cheers, Paul <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />C2 modified the railing by making it UNlevel. The models C and D have been modified more than the B in this regard.<br /><br />C2 modified the rigging (axle height above a straight line from the railing) by making it much higher than it is in a boat.<br /><br />The models C and D have a higher rigging then the B.<br />

[[old] Exrook]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Apr 19 2005, 11:52 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 19 2005, 11:52 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Creative thinking is useful whereas critical thinking is not.<br /><br />I can see that birds fly.  This is freeing for me.<br /><br />However you are unable to prove that birds fly, thus limited.<br /><br />Modern pseudo science, taking definitive stands the way it does with "facts", "studies", and "research" is limited this way too.<br /><br />The really scary things are closed minds. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Well, I too can see birds fly, and that is proof enough for me. Though I'm a bit rusty, I have a degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, so I can also show why birds can fly... <br /><br />A quick web search shows why (at a very basic level):<br /><br /><a href='http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Animals/in ... ds-01.html' target='_blank'>http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Animals/in ... tml</a><br /><br />Personally, I think closed minds are more sad than scary. <br /><br />

[[old] PaulS]

Johns "scary things":<br /><br />Facts<br />Altitude<br />Critical thinking<br />Training Plans<br />Scientific Method<br /><br />Feel free to add as needed.....