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Metric crumbs?

Post by Tom Barrick » July 3rd, 2006, 1:39 am

This question is more for the long distance ergers, not so much the athletes who only do C2, Nonathlon, and CTC/ELM challenges, since there's really no option. Do you like to round out your meters for the day so they add up nicely for the tally? I don't mean removing a large number of meters that would otherwise count, but rowing 5500m instead of, say 5559m. - the extra 59 meters in the latter being referred to as "metric crumbs." I can't stand them!

I had to row an extra 9027 meters after a heavy Nonathlon week, last month, to get everything "squared up" again. I've just found it easier to keep track of meters, both mentally and mathematically.

Is it just me or are there others out there with this...complex? :oops:

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Post by PaulH » July 3rd, 2006, 8:49 am

For about the first year or two of erging I only did round distances. That meant that I never really did a 1 hour row - I'd set the erg for a distance, and if I could row it inside an hour I'd up the distance slightly next time.

But I got over it, and you will too :)

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Post by Ben Rea » July 3rd, 2006, 11:00 am

if i am close to a check point in my meters then i do that, the other day i think i did like 2,745 meters in order to mke my total meters 350,000
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Post by Tom Barrick » July 3rd, 2006, 2:22 pm

PaulH wrote:For about the first year or two of erging I only did round distances. That meant that I never really did a 1 hour row - I'd set the erg for a distance, and if I could row it inside an hour I'd up the distance slightly next time.

But I got over it, and you will too :)
How long did it take you? For the one hour row, I'd almost rather shoot for 15K at an exact rate of 2:00 to keep it clean. :)
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Post by Tom Barrick » July 3rd, 2006, 2:24 pm

Ben Rea wrote:if i am close to a check point in my meters then i do that, the other day i think i did like 2,745 meters in order to mke my total meters 350,000
Exactly, Ben. And even better that it ends with three zeros! B)
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Post by PaulH » July 3rd, 2006, 2:37 pm

Not being particularly quick (even less so now!) the best I did was 14050, in a little under 1 hour :)

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Post by johnlvs2run » July 3rd, 2006, 4:51 pm

Prior to last year I always did even kilometers, and didn't count any meters over that.

Last year I counted whatever the meters happened to be at the end of each day.

This year I've been keeping track in my notebook day to day but haven't kept up with adding any meters online. I will hopefully get that caught up.

Then I am planning to just keep track of the time that I row each day, and will estimate the distance from that for the purpose of the log book, but won't keep track of it otherwise. And I'm not planning to row as much distance as before. I have accomplished all of those goals and am moving on to other objectives.

I am already keeping track of my running by time and find it much easier. I used to always run to a full mile distance and now I'm not doing that any more. If an hour comes out to an extra 1/2 mile or 957 meters or whatever then that's what I do. So for running I am keeping track of the time and the pace, but not the distance any more.
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Post by hafner » July 4th, 2006, 8:31 pm

Tom:

Hey, don't feel lonely. I can't stand those odd meters. Instead of rounding off, I occasionally row the necessary distance to get it back to round numbers. I also never include warm-up distances: as in running, I'll row a bit before I take on the day's row, and that doesn't really count in my book. (No logic, I guess).

I've been recording running times now for 20 years (been running for 40 years), and have recorded rowing since I bought my C2 in '94. I occasionally look at the averages: daily row, average row, and overall time. My general goal is to average 5K a day, 10K per session, and under 2:00 overall pace (has been 1:58 for last several years). The CTC and Nonathlon have really put some new, fun variation into the equation.

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Post by rfahle » July 4th, 2006, 8:54 pm

Tom:

I bought RowPro to help keep track of meters, time, calories and watts as precisely as possible. Call me particular, call me a pain, don't call me late for dinner, I like precision and what I do is what I do.... I mix distance pieces and time pieces to keep things interesting. I track warmups and/or cooldown meters and times as I rarely row times more than 5 second splits higher than a timed piece (i.e. 2:08 warmups with 2:03-2:04 timed piece). I save my daily rowing efforts as a text export to Excel so I have a track of my "notes" and my performance over each day, week, and month. I guess I might be a neatnick (long lost relative of a beatnick!--- Bonnie please don't tell them what my office looks like). I don't have metric crumbs, that wouldn't be too tidy. Like Dave, I'll row the extra meters to get to a 000's as needed each week.

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Post by Tom Barrick » July 5th, 2006, 2:42 am

PaulH wrote:Not being particularly quick (even less so now!) the best I did was 14050, in a little under 1 hour :)
This would be acceptable if your best was 14100 or 14000, even. :wink:
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Post by Tom Barrick » July 5th, 2006, 2:50 am

John Rupp wrote:Prior to last year I always did even kilometers, and didn't count any meters over that.

Last year I counted whatever the meters happened to be at the end of each day.

This year I've been keeping track in my notebook day to day but haven't kept up with adding any meters online. I will hopefully get that caught up.

Then I am planning to just keep track of the time that I row each day, and will estimate the distance from that for the purpose of the log book, but won't keep track of it otherwise. And I'm not planning to row as much distance as before. I have accomplished all of those goals and am moving on to other objectives.

I am already keeping track of my running by time and find it much easier. I used to always run to a full mile distance and now I'm not doing that any more. If an hour comes out to an extra 1/2 mile or 957 meters or whatever then that's what I do. So for running I am keeping track of the time and the pace, but not the distance any more.
I think that's part of it, that I haven't achieved certain goals in distance as of yet, which might be the reason that I'm a metric accountant right now. As for the running, you are so right about time over distance. They go hand in hand when vying for personal bests, but keeping track, generally, I've always used the watch over the number of laps or miles I've done.
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Post by Tom Barrick » July 5th, 2006, 3:14 am

hafner wrote:Tom:

Hey, don't feel lonely. I can't stand those odd meters. Instead of rounding off, I occasionally row the necessary distance to get it back to round numbers. I also never include warm-up distances: as in running, I'll row a bit before I take on the day's row, and that doesn't really count in my book. (No logic, I guess).

I've been recording running times now for 20 years (been running for 40 years), and have recorded rowing since I bought my C2 in '94. I occasionally look at the averages: daily row, average row, and overall time. My general goal is to average 5K a day, 10K per session, and under 2:00 overall pace (has been 1:58 for last several years). The CTC and Nonathlon have really put some new, fun variation into the equation.

Dave
When working on a long distance, medium-to-above-average-pressure, piece, I'll always work my warmup into the piece, so it all counts. When doing warmups for 2Ks, or whatever, I'll always do 500m warmups. If something stupid happens, like I row a few strokes and realize my headband is missing, or I forget to bring the portable stereo into the room, I usually disregard anything under 100 meters. Also, if I happen to finish a 10 or 15K and feel like doing a few more K, I'll hit the appropriate button for meters counting upwards to see how much more I want to do. When it gets to 1 or 2K, exactly, I'll hit the off button, and not record the extra 15 or so meters that would otherwise roll along as I put down the handle. It's silly, but it's been keeping me sane this far along. :)

CTC and Nonathlon are exactly that, a fun variation. Keeps things fresh throughout the year. We might look into the ELM system some of the UK'ers have going. They can create challenges for members of their team. Check it out here,this may be worth a look if we happen to get bored.
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Post by Tom Barrick » July 5th, 2006, 3:37 am

rfahle wrote:Tom:

I bought RowPro to help keep track of meters, time, calories and watts as precisely as possible. Call me particular, call me a pain, don't call me late for dinner, I like precision and what I do is what I do.... I mix distance pieces and time pieces to keep things interesting. I track warmups and/or cooldown meters and times as I rarely row times more than 5 second splits higher than a timed piece (i.e. 2:08 warmups with 2:03-2:04 timed piece). I save my daily rowing efforts as a text export to Excel so I have a track of my "notes" and my performance over each day, week, and month. I guess I might be a neatnick (long lost relative of a beatnick!--- Bonnie please don't tell them what my office looks like). I don't have metric crumbs, that wouldn't be too tidy. Like Dave, I'll row the extra meters to get to a 000's as needed each week.

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Neatness, yes. That could be it too. I also find that memory is included with this. It is much easier to remember where you were yesterday, exactly, when you have a nice round number rather than 1,211,037m. I rarely log meters, online, more than once each day. This is probably where John Rupp's method works well. Time is always easier to maintain. Your splits become like blood relatives, knowing them so well yet not being able to get rid of your current one. :roll: Overall, it may be best to log your meters and then not look until the end of April!
I didn't realize that my monitor was a mere shadow of the PM2+...I have the PM2...minus. No RowPro for me until I invest in a new PM3.

FWIW, when I round off a few meters here and there, I'm always sure to do an extra 1K or 2K (usually 2.5K) to make up for my "mistakes."

:D

Now, onto more important topics. While rowing, who turns their heads away from their monitor just before the last 3 digits show up 666? <slowly raises hand> The Free Spirits have an ELM event called The Omen in which they must row downwards from 666 meters for the best possible time. If you ask me, that's just cruisin' for a bruisin'. :twisted:
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Post by Citroen » July 5th, 2006, 12:30 pm

Beware of doing this. I worked on getting to my first 1,000,000 by being 42,195m short and rowing the marathon to round it out nicely to 1Mm.

The problem was that I ended up rowing a marathon without doing enough training before it. I ran out of metres to row during the early days of Sept last year. That marathon hurt much more than the other three I've done.

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Post by Tom Barrick » July 6th, 2006, 2:02 am

Citroen wrote:Beware of doing this. I worked on getting to my first 1,000,000 by being 42,195m short and rowing the marathon to round it out nicely to 1Mm.

The problem was that I ended up rowing a marathon without doing enough training before it. I ran out of metres to row during the early days of Sept last year. That marathon hurt much more than the other three I've done.

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Ouch! Yes, Citroen, there is no way in hell that I'd consider doing this unless it was for a challenge. Why didn't you make it easier on yourself and row the 195m to "even things out?" :)
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