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Post by deppe4 » May 1st, 2006, 9:50 am

[I had to join Weight Watchers as reality hit and I realized I was not going to win the Battle of the Bulge on my own. One month of WW and I am down 6 pounds.]

Hi Grace,

Congrats on losing the 6 lbs!

I've never done WW before and was skeptical. But I've had very good results with it, I lost 19 lbs in the first session (15 wk program w/2wks left). I still have more weight to lose and I'm going to continue with the program.

My friend passed on a very helpful tidbit to me: don't do anything on WW that you can't do for the rest of your life or the weight will just come back.

Anyways, good for you and keep up the great work.

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Welcome Back!

Post by ck728 » May 4th, 2006, 8:52 pm

Hello Everybody!
It's good to be back rowing again. Where did everybody go? I'm sure the team will grow as the word gets out. I have new motivation: I just became a grandfather!

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Post by copywriter » May 14th, 2006, 9:38 pm

Still here, still plugging away.

I'm still seeing last season's team results on the university/clubs page. Am I the only one?

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Post by rod7896 » May 14th, 2006, 11:16 pm

It works fine for me.

Try refreshing your browser and/or clearing out your cache (Tools->Internet Options-> then under "Temporary Internet Files" select "Delete Files..."). That should do the trick for you.

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Well here I go again...I at least remember how to strap in

Post by RockinRobin » May 15th, 2006, 6:49 pm

copywriter wrote:Still here, still plugging away.

I'm still seeing last season's team results on the university/clubs page. Am I the only one?
I had a shortcut which showed the old stuff; I deleted it, then browsed thru the menu to team standings then created a new shortcut. Everything is showing updated info.


I've been out for a long time, but hopefully will get back in and slide with the rest of you'all.

Robin

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Post by Meri » June 6th, 2006, 6:56 pm

Hello all,
FYI, Rod Sr. is at the TOP of the list on our team with the most meters rowed thus far. He has posted a message that he will be out for some weeks due to a kidney stone. Members of the team may wish to send him words of support during his recovery. My best to all!
Meri

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Post by bostonwnb » June 13th, 2006, 10:35 am

Hi

I tried to send Rod Washausen a message to wish him the best with his recovery from the kidney stone, but I cannot seem to get the 'internal e-mail' function to work. Hopefully he will see this message. I had pretty much given up on catching up to him this year, and have had a heck of a time staying ahead of Rod Washausen Jr (Rod's son?). Jr. is taking a break on vacation/honeymoon, but I know he will be back and catching up fast, one of these days. I will be out of action myself for a week to 10 days. Our team (Rice University) will be in the College World Series in Omaha starting this week, so I won't have much time/opportunity to get the meters in.

Cheers


Bert

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Post by Meri » June 14th, 2006, 2:12 pm

Well, you're the team leader now. Great work. I am trying to play 'catch-up' but doubt I'll ever get my meters up as high as those of you at the top. I hope Rod Sr. is doing well and wedding congratulations are in order for Rod Jr. Thanks to all for keeping me motivated! I've stoppped logging my 'weight loss' as have plataued at a comfortable weight-still 20 lbs over my ultimate goal, but at least, not gaining. I am eating MUCH healthier diet since reading The China Study-thanks, (Steelhead) Mike. I've been working a bit on my speed and form, but have yet to beat last season's PB for any distance. Best of luck to all.

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Post by rod7896 » June 27th, 2006, 10:24 pm

Well I managed not to gain any weight over my vacation, and actually got myself to row a tiny bit while in Hawaii. Once I get settled at home I'll start rowing again. I'd like to get my average back over 10k/day

Bert - hopefully you won't resume your 20k/day workouts... it wasn't fun trying to stay up with you! You'll have your hands full with dad in a bit, he's been itching to row again.

Best of luck to everyone

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Post by Steelhead » June 28th, 2006, 6:48 pm

This is from Dr. McDougall's website http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/june/marys.htm

It's interesting I think and probably worth trying for those of us still trying to lose weight and gain muscle -- it ties in nicely with the research in The China Study.

Mary's Mini-McDougall Diet
Not a Lifestyle, But a “Diet”

After working with thousands of people over the past 28 years, Mary (McDougall) believes it is time to introduce a trimmed-down, fast-acting modification of the McDougall program—referred to from now on as “Mary’s Mini-McDougall Diet.” The principles are the same as with those of regular McDougall diet: it is starch-based with the addition of fruits and vegetables. The difference is the goal is to lose weight quickly with as little effort as possible. You know, a “diet”—not really a lifestyle change. This is a temporary “quick fix” to be used as a tool for people overwhelmed by the initial challenges of starting on the McDougall program and/or to boost their progress when they feel that changes are coming too slowly. Yet, this is a nutritionally sound program that you, too, may want to follow for a long time, if not a lifetime.

In the early 1980s we (John and Mary) went on an “all potato and greens” diet for 10 days—just for the experience. We had hash browns for breakfast, baked potatoes and steamed frozen vegetables for lunch, and mashed potatoes with a salad for dinner. Yes, we were bored towards the end, but we each lost 10 pounds, felt great, and continued our love for potatoes.

Important Note:
This instructional material offers you a significant opportunity—to regain your health and enhance your personal appearance. However, diet is powerful medicine. Do not change your diet or start an intense exercise program if you are seriously ill or on medication unless you are under the care of a physician knowledgeable in nutrition and its effects on health. Do not change medications without professional advice. When appropriate, share this message with your doctor.

Can anyone eat so simply?

You may be thinking “No one would follow such a simple eating program.” What if for reasons beyond your control, like political turmoil resulting in extreme poverty, you were forced to eat a simple diet? You would do so, rather than die!

Many populations living in such stark conditions, for example people in rural areas of Poland and Russia at the beginning of the 19th century, have lived in very good health doing extremely hard work with the white potato serving as their primary source of nutrition. Their survival depended on potatoes. You could do the same if required, and the reality for millions of people living today is that their survival, too, depends upon a simple diet—but for the opposite kind of malnutrition than that of the Russians and Poles. Then the threat was undernutrition, and now it is overnutrition. Dying from heart disease, cancer, and type-2 diabetes is usually slower than starvation, but often more painful.

The truth is simple diets are among the most nutritious. Throughout history almost all human inhabitants of Planet Earth have consumed simple diets. Eating basic foods is an especially powerful tool to regain lost health and appearance.

Examples of simple eating by trim healthy populations living today:

Japanese – rice

Peruvians – potatoes

Papua New Guinea Islanders – sweet potatoes

Rural Mexicans – corn

Each of these starches is combined with a few locally grown, seasonal fruits and vegetables.

Simple Diets are Popular Diets

Because of effortless preparation and no-thought planning, simple diets are perpetually trendy, like “the cabbage soup diet” and the all-you-can-eat “grapefruit diet.” Mary (McDougall), prior to meeting John 34 years ago, periodically followed these same diets with success. Her own invention, however, was “the baby-food squash diet.” This simple program kept her pencil thin by such negligible effort as heating a jar or two of baby-food she bought at her local supermarket.

So was this nutritional foolishness? Was she risking her health for simplicity and weight loss? Before condemning Mary’s diet as a dangerous fad, guaranteeing, at least, protein deficiency, look over the nutrition provided by a simple starch, such as squash.

Nutrients in Winter Squash (mashed):1

41 Calories in one-half cup

% of calories as protein = 8% (WHO recommendation is 5%)

% of calories as carbohydrate = 90%

% of calories as fat = 2.5%

Cholesterol = 0 mg

Dietary Fiber = 8 grams/100 calories (Milk and Beef = 0 grams)

Calcium = 81 mg/100 calories (Milk = 119 mg/100 calories)

Iron = 1.7 mg/100 calories (Beef = 1.1 mg/100 calories)

Squash is also very low in sodium and high in potassium with an abundance of vitamins (other than B12*) and contains all of the other nutrients essential for excellent health.

*B12 should be added as at least 5 micrograms daily after 3 years on any version of the McDougall Diet or if pregnant or nursing a baby while on the diet.

Will Mary’s Mini-McDougall Diet Satisfy Me?

People naturally love the flavors found in starches, vegetables, and fruits because we are anatomically and physiologically designed to consume and enjoy these foods. Remember, the taste buds on the tip of your tongue respond to carbohydrates (sweet) which are found almost exclusively in plant foods (the exceptions are milk and honey).

A landmark experiment was carried out in 1925 on two healthy adults, a man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old.2 For 6 months these two people lived on a diet primarily of white potatoes. (A few additional items providing insignificant nutrients were added: a few fruits, coffee, and tea. Because they were losing too much weight, pure fat—containing no other nutrients—was also added.)

Could a diet of potatoes meet their nutritional needs? Even though they were both physically active (especially the man) they were described as, “…in good health on a diet in which the nitrogen (protein) was practically solely derived from the potato.”

Did they like this diet? The report stated, “They did not tire of the uniform potato diet and there was no craving for change.”

Starchy vegetables, like potatoes, are very appetite-satisfying. In an enlightening experiment, 38 separate foods were fed to subjects and a rating of their level of satisfaction (a satiety index) was determined every 15 minutes for 2 hours after the meals.3 The highest satisfaction level was produced by boiled white potatoes, and it was seven times higher than the lowest index for croissants. Potatoes were almost 5 times more satisfying than a Mars candy bar and twice as satisfying as beef or cheese. Starchy vegetables satisfy the hunger drive—fatty foods leave you craving.

You can adjust to simple eating, just like your pets are happy eating the same meal every day. You don’t worry if your dog and cat are enjoying their simple chow. They are hungry, the food satisfies them, and you know you are providing the best nutrition to keep them fit and long-lived.

Are Simple Diets Nutritious

Most animals thrive on simple diets—the koala bear lives on eucalyptus leaves, the panda bear on bamboo shoots, the horse on grass, etc. The truth is that nature has designed her foods complete and balanced for proper nutrition, long before they reach your dinner table. You cannot improve on this blueprint.

White potatoes are 10% protein with all of the essential amino acids provided in generous amounts. These tubers have 2.5 grams of dietary fiber per potato. That translates into 50 grams for an active man and 37 grams for an active woman. Potatoes are very high in vitamin C, B vitamins, potassium and other minerals. In animal experiments potatoes have been shown to have a particularly potent cholesterol-lowering effect.4 Feeding rats a potato-enriched diet for 3 weeks led to a 30% decrease in cholesterol and a 36% decrease in triglyceride levels.5

The potato even meets the needs of growing infants. Eleven Peruvian children, ages 8 months to 35 months, recovering from malnutrition, were fed diets where all of the protein and 75% of the calories came from potatoes.6,7 Their growth patterns were normal. (Soybean-cottonseed oils and pure simple sugars provided some of the extra calories—neither of these sources—oil or sugar—contains protein, vitamins, or minerals.)

People in New Guinea who live on diets consisting almost entirely of sweet potato tubers and leaves have cholesterol levels, on the average, of 108 mg/dl.8 Heart disease, obesity, inflammatory arthritis, colon cancer, and type-2 diabetes are unknown in these people on their sweet potato diet.

Practical Application of “Mary’s Mini-McDougall Diet”

Which starches are your favorites? Potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squash, corn, beans, rice? Choose one or several to form the centerpiece of your diet. All of these can be found pre-cooked in packages in the frozen food section of your grocery. Check the ingredients to make sure they are free of added fats, oils or other harmful ingredients. The refrigerated section of the store will also have packages of fruits and vegetables for you to buy.*

*While root vegetables like potatoes and sweet potatoes provide well-rounded nutrition—grains and beans lack sufficient vitamins A and C to be eaten alone; therefore add some fruit and/or green and yellow vegetables to make your grain and bean meals complete.

Meal preparation is now a matter of thawing out these foods. You can place your warmed starch on the plate separate from the vegetables or mix them all altogether. You can add some additional flavor with your favorite spices; including salt and pepper (unless you have health restrictions that require you avoid these). Condiments, including low-fat salad dressings, salsa, ketchup, barbecue sauce and packaged soups (like those made by Dr. McDougall’s Rightfoods) can be poured over the top.

Example Days*

[snip -- see link for details]


Simple Eating-out Suggestions:

A baked potato or sweet potato (steakhouse)

A plate of beans, lettuce, tomatoes, and salsa (Mexican)

Steamed rice and vegetables (Chinese)

Steamed rice and green papaya salad (Thai)

Easing the Learning Curve

High protein diets are popular in part because they are easy to learn and follow: Buy a burger anywhere—throw away the bun, scrape off the ketchup and you are now on a diet that gives immediate weight loss. The working mechanism for this diet is to make you sick by feeding you an unbalanced diet solely of fat and protein, causing fluid loss and appetite suppression. Over the long course this form of malnutrition causes your arteries to rot, your bones to be urinated into the toilet, your bowels to ache from plugged-up defecation, and your body to smell like the stock-yards you pass while driving down highway 5 (from San Francisco to Los Angeles).

The learning curve for the McDougall Program is steep: People must retrain their taste buds to enjoy unfamiliar foods, and they must also learn new ways to cook, shop, and socialize. There are additional struggles: healthy eating in restaurants often requires brutal confrontations with the wait-staff and detective-like skills are needed to locate McDougall-approved convenience items in the local grocery. Add to these burdens daily sabotage from well-meaning friends, family members, and their own doctor. But, the reward from overcoming these obstacles is their best opportunity to have a lifetime of great health. Mary’s Mini-McDougall Diet is powerful tool to use for easing the learning curve.

References:

1) J Pennington. Bowes & Church’s Food Values of Portions Commonly Used. 17th Ed. Lippincott. Philadelphia- New York. 1998.

2) Kon S. XXXV. The value of whole potato in human nutrition. Biochemical J. 1928; 22:258-260.

3) Holt S. A satiety index of common foods. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1995 Sep;49(9):675-90.

4) Morita T. Cholesterol-lowering effects of soybean, potato and rice proteins depend on their low methionine contents in rats fed a cholesterol-free purified diet. J Nutr. 1997 Mar;127(3):470-7.

5) Robert L, Narcy A, Rock E, Demigne C, Mazur A, Remesy C. Entire potato consumption improves lipid metabolism and antioxidant status in cholesterol-fed rat. Eur J Nutr. 2006 Apr 3; [Epub ahead of print.

6) Lopez de Romana G. Fasting and postprandial plasma free amino acids of infants and children consuming exclusively potato protein. J Nutr. 1981 Oct;111(10):1766-71.

7) Lopez de Romana G, Graham GC, Madrid S, MacLean WC Jr. Prolonged consumption of potato-based diets by infants and small children. J Nutr. 1981 Aug;111(8):1430-6.

8) Luyken R. Nutrition studies in New Guinea. Am J Clin Nutr. 1964; 14:13-27.
Mike

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Welcome back Rod/Rod Jr. and thanks Mike!

Post by Meri » July 2nd, 2006, 9:40 am

It's great to see you rowing again Rod Jr. and Sr. You two keep piling on the meters! Can anyone keep up with Bert?? Wow! And thanks for the McDougall web site. I've recommended the China Study to friends and family and we've slowly been changing our diet at home and I feel better. I've managed to loose and gain the same 3 lbs. about 5 times in the last two months, but at least I'm not gaining more. I'll be busy with out of town work much of this month and next, so won't be able to log as many meters. Hopefully, I can augment with walking/weight lifting/swimming while at the hotel. It will be fun to watch team members climbing ahead.
Meri

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Come on back everybody

Post by bostonwnb » July 5th, 2006, 7:21 am

Finally over a groin injury which has kept me from running for almost 3 months - so will be rowing less and running more starting this week! So Rod Sr & Rod Jr (where are you?), Alex, Meri & everybody else - you'll have to step it up to keep us high on the team board. There's already been some slippage from last season, when Row Pain Row Gain was consistently in the Top 10 - usually around #8. This season we are hanging around 12th to 14th place...

Anyway the rowing has been fun and it has helped me lose about 12 lbs lately. My goal is to drop to 160 lb. by next Saturday July 8 when our running club (Katy Fit) marathon program starts up. I'm at about 162 so I think I will get close. I have cut my average daily intake of calories to around 1500 with total fat around 23%; carbs about 55% and protein 22%. Not doing all this just for the heck of it: basically doctor's orders as my fasting blood glucose and various cholesterol readings were too high recently. The doc wanted to put me on a statin but I baulked - would rather try to lose some weight & adopt other lifestyle changes to avoid medication.

My fasting blood glucose level has already come down from 113 (a few weeks ago) to 102 yesterday; the idea is to get it consistently under 100. I also started taking cinnamon, fenugreek, apple cider vinegar, curcumin, fish oil capsules & fiber supplement: hoping that some or all of this will help to improve the cholesterol readings. Will have to wait to see how that turns out until next 'official' blood test which won't be for 6 weeks or so.

Have fun rowing!

Cheers

Bert
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Re: Come on back everybody

Post by rod7896 » July 5th, 2006, 8:35 am

bostonwnb wrote:Rod Jr (where are you?)
I switched over to the Iron Oarsman team. There are more people ahead of me in the standings for me to try and catch which will help to keep me motivated plus I enjoy watching Xeno's DVD's when I row.

It's certainly nothing against you or anyone else, I have been frustrated for quite a while since few people on RPRG row very much.

Good luck to all of you!

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Post by Andy99 » July 9th, 2006, 8:43 pm

Hello every one,
I joined the group just over a week ago and Im slowly makeing my way up the ranks. I was just wondering how many in the group still actively row on a almost daily basis???

Andy

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Rowing on a daily basis

Post by bostonwnb » July 10th, 2006, 9:32 am

Andy, hi

Welcome to RPRG! We need all the help we can get to move up in the team standings. There are quite a few people here who row on an (almost) daily basis - including yours truly. As I said in a post some time ago, I will be rowing relatively less, now that I am able to run again. Hopefully the group will pick up some steam after the summer.

Incidentally, I just got a new scale - a Tanita - which supposedly also measures body fat percentage. Not sure how accurate it is but my reading is about 19 to 20% - something else to work on! As for the weight, the new scale reads heavier than the old one (bummer!) so now I weigh about 3 lbs more than last week. At least it has the same reading as the scale in the doctor's office.

Anyway have fun on the C2 and let us know how you go.

Cheers


Bert

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