s10mps versus varying stroke rate

[Sean Seamus]

Xeno wrote :
You are not "older" at 54.

that is kind, but I can assure you, that having been 10 & 20 & 50 and all the bits in between, I am older.

It is possible that 54 is not "old", and possible that 94 is not "old", but my son, 54 is not 24.

Wait and see . . . .

[xeno]

It may have taken me a while to understand your questions.

Rowing for health is simple.

Rowing can be easier than walking. If you want to row harder you can metaphorically speaking, walk up hill, or run faster on the flat. This translated into rowing you can pick your resistance on the fly wheel. You can play with how much effort you put in per stroke. In the end rowing for health is using the appropriate range of motion, supporting the lower back and hinging from the hip joint. Less importantly keep the arms straight during the leg drive and the recovery when the legs compress toward your chest.

The two types of rowers from you gym are the two extremes.
If you are interested check out my signature. I have produced indoor rowing workout DVDs.

I hope we are shedding light on your rowing issues.

XENO

[johnlvs2run]

The question I'm trying to resolve is what are the optimal ranges for the gears. There will be overlaps. I am toying with the thought that there may be a value in not overly strictly staying at one stroke rate for a given HR training band, so as to not get stuck in one groove / rut.

For lightweights, racing a 2k is up to 40 spm and higher.

Olympic, World Champions & World record holders Eskild Ebbesen and Elia Luini race the 2k at 41 to 43 strokes per minutes, an average of right around 8 meters per stroke.

Heavy and tall rowers like Xeno because of being so heavy are not able to have the same fitness for their weight, usually row less, and can't have the same power generation per kilogram on the average as do lightweights. Thus it is better for them to stick with low stroke rates like Xeno said, so they don't run out of breath and get tired.

A good thing to do would be to just cover up the stroke rate box, and row by focusing on your power and rhythm.

[JohnBove]

Heavy and tall rowers like Xeno because of being so heavy are not able to have the same fitness for their weight, usually row less, and can't have the same power generation per kilogram on the average as do lightweights.

Can't have the same fitness for their weight? What does that mean?

[ancho]

For lightweights, racing a 2k is up to 40 spm and higher.

Olympic, World Champions & World record holders Eskild Ebbesen and Elia Luini race the 2k at 41 to 43 strokes per minutes, an average of right around 8 meters per stroke.

Heavy and tall rowers like Xeno because of being so heavy are not able to have the same fitness for their weight, usually row less, and can't have the same power generation per kilogram on the average as do lightweights. Thus it is better for them to stick with low stroke rates like Xeno said, so they don't run out of breath and get tired.

A good thing to do would be to just cover up the stroke rate box, and row by focusing on your power and rhythm.

Yep, I also think Xeno isn't really fit. It's easy to see in his olympic finals, that he wasn't really that tired when he arrived. As a lwt, the result would have been much better.
Moreover, I see that Iwill have to get down another 13kg and row at 40spm so I can arrive to be reasonabily fit

[hjs]

http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/race_ana ... ini&race=3


RATE FOR 80 % of the time between 33/38.

Why do some people lie so much?

[tennstrike]

RATE FOR 80 % of the time between 33/38.

Why do some people lie so much?

Who knows? John sometimes posts first and thinks later. It looked like around an average for the 2K of 36 SPM which would translate to an average of around 9.1 meters/stroke at his 91.7 second/500 pace.

Thanks for the link. Very interesting on the splits with the lack of negative splits. He just went out fast and kind of held on, relatively speaking, since his last split of 1:33.2 is hardly "hanging on".

[hjs]

tennstrike

http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/results.php

http://www.concept2.co.uk/birc/results.php

over here you can find all other races.


cheers


ps Elia Luini races at 68/70 kg.

[Yankeerunner]

RATE FOR 80 % of the time between 33/38.

Why do some people lie so much?

Who knows? John sometimes posts first and thinks later. It looked like around an average for the 2K of 36 SPM which would translate to an average of around 9.1 meters/stroke at his 91.7 second/500 pace.

Thanks for the link. Very interesting on the splits with the lack of negative splits. He just went out fast and kind of held on, relatively speaking, since his last split of 1:33.2 is hardly "hanging on".

Sometimes, maybe. Most of the time, for the past 5 or 6 years, he does this kind of thing purposely. Not only has this stroke rate nonsense been shown to be foolish several times in the past by more knowledgeable people, but the chart that hjs posted has been posted before immediately after a John Rupp disruption.

Regular forum people don't find this to be much of a problem since they long ago gave up in frustration on the Troll. Unfortunately it is the newest and most enthusiastic ergers coming here looking for good information that John causes to be dazed and confused, therefore doing them the greatest disservice.

He may be aiming his garbage at PaulS, Mike Cavistion, Dennis Hastings, Xeno Muller, Citroen, and others, but he is hitting the innocent newbies that I'm sure he fancies will rally 'round him if he welcomes them in a friendly and supportive manner.

Sad.

Rick

[johnlvs2run]

For lightweights, racing a 2k is up to 40 spm and higher.

Olympic, World Champions & World record holders Eskild Ebbesen and Elia Luini race the 2k at 41 to 43 strokes per minutes, an average of right around 8 meters per stroke.

I have stroke by stroke video of Eskild Ebbeson taking 247 strokes to complete a 2k in 6:06.4.

This 247 strokes is 40.44 strokes per minute

Dividing 2000 meters by 247 strokes shows he was rowing an average of 8.097 meters per stroke.

[johnlvs2run]

Ebbesen's 6:06.4 was a WR for 30+ rowers but not his fastest time ever.

In his overall WR row of 6:03.2, Ebbesen averaged 41.3 strokes per minute and 8 meters per stroke.

His 6:03.2 stood as the overall record for many years, until Elia Luina rowed a 6:02.6 to better it.

[johnlvs2run]

The chart posted by hjs is only a time of 6:06.7 for Elia Luini.

However, Luini's WR time is 6:02.6, in which he averaged over 40 spm and rowed at 8 meters per stroke.

Even so, the chart is instructive when you look at the breakdown for each 500 meters.

500m . . spm . . pace
1st . . 38 - 44 . . 5:52
2nd . . . . 35 . . . 6:08
3rd . . . . 33 . . . 6:14
4th . . . . 35 . . . 6:12

Luini was going the fastest when his stroke rate was the highest, and he bogged down and went the slowest when his stroke rate was the lowest.

[johnlvs2run]

Rick Bayko, i.e. Yankeerunner - why don't you use your real name.

Anyway, Bayko posted on this forum that he took 37 spm through 1500 meters at the Crash B's in Boston, then went 40 spm for the last 500 meters.

Obviously that's a bunch of nonsense though.

[johnlvs2run]

This rate of 37.8 spm for a 7:00 2k is a total of 264 strokes.

Dividing 2000 meters by 264 strokes shows that Bayko was averaging 7.56 meters per stroke.

Don't let the innocent newbies know of this though.

We don't want them to get hurt.

[hjs]

nice show Mr Rup. Look at other toplightweights in the link a posted. For those who want to know the ratings look for yourself.

Ps John post all you want in a row but that doesn,t make you right. We are talking in general not about 1 race only.