What Training Have You Done Today???

[old] jamesg · Post by **[old] jamesg** » April 17th, 2005, 2:09 am

CH Congratulations on staying alive, that was a close one. Water at 3-4C doesn't leave us much time I hear.

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 17th, 2005, 5:29 am

Thank you James, no it doesn't leave much time, when in the water, and especially when having to move around in it and with little clothes and then having to be able to row back. One shouldn't expect more than 5 minutes. We could lie on top of the boat. That was the alternative but since air was cold and a bit windy and we were drenched and not likely to see any boat pass by soon we thought it better to get in the water and make another attempt while we still had the ability to. We figured that once in the boat rowing would get us warm. The problem when falling out of the boat in cold water is that you all fall on the same side. This makes it tough to get in the boat without loosing balance, escpecially since everyone is quite stressed, someone may also have paniced. Swimming around the boat to get on the other side takes too long time. Diving under is also a bad idea since that would get your head wet, was it allready not so. When the face gets in cold water an even stronger signal for the body to breathe gets sent. Possibly someone would do this when under water which is bad. Also 50-75% of the heat loss comes from the head, since the body prioritizes this organ the blood flow will not diminish there and consequently not the heat loss either. The best way in my opinion is to immediately check that everyone is ok by talking. This will have alot of good psychological effects physiologically it will automatically lower breathing frequency to normal. Since prolonged hyperventilation will recude your judgment it is a bad thing to do in this situation. After that or while doing that half of the crew should climb atop the boat (that is upside down, or will be turned so when they try to mount it) and slide down the other side while holding on to the riggs of the side they came from, this will bring the boat on it's right end and equally many crew members on each side. Next step is to get your oar(s) out in "right position for rowing" so they can balance the boat and after that trying to get in the boat and in postition very slowly and as a team. If you can do this procedure immediately then falling out of the boat in to cold water is not very dangerous if you are fit and healthy. We were not this efficient and it is difficult to plan and organize in cold water. First we wrestled in vain to get in the boat, this cost a lot of warmth. Then we lay for one or two minutes on top of the boat discussing alternatives and trying hand paddeling, since we were wet this also cost very much. After that we did slide into the water on each side but we did not do the smart hold the rigg while sliding down maneuver and wrestled a while before we got the boat right, again we lost a lot of heat. After that we alternated between emptying the boat from water so our feet and lower legs would not drain our heat and acutally rowing to get the warmth back. Personally I felt the need to start rowing immediately was greater since I was not shivering anymore but having more of somehting that could be called complete body spasms. My crew mate felt the opposite so we rowed the first water out of the boat, then whipped the water out with our hands and the rowed and kept alternating a few times. In retrospect it is a nice experience but we agreed that next time we go for a swim in cold water we would do it closer to the sauna, not 6k out.

[old] hwt · Post by **[old] hwt** » April 17th, 2005, 6:44 am

Carl that sounds like quite the experience and demonstrates a very good reason for the Cold Water Rules in effect at many clubs this time of year. I'm surprised you were allowed out without a coach boat accompanying you. Were you carrying life jackets in your boat?

[old] CAROLE MAC · Post by **[old] CAROLE MAC** » April 17th, 2005, 8:26 am

Training today;- 10 mins w u 6 x 6 mins 23spm 2.11.4 23spm 2.10.9 23spm 2.11.4 23spm 2.11.3 23spm 2.11.4 23spm 2.10.4 24spm 10 mins cool down over 12k again yehaaaaaaa lovely day today up north of England going to have a bit of a dig in the garden this aft.....

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 17th, 2005, 10:29 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(hwt @ Apr 17 2005, 10:44 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Carl that sounds like quite the experience and demonstrates a very good reason for the Cold Water Rules in effect at many clubs this time of year. I'm surprised you were allowed out without a coach boat accompanying you. Were you carrying life jackets in your boat? </td></tr></table> I agree, there should be high selectivity in what types of constellations should be out on the water, and there was a such decision made that morning. We were deemed as capable of managing on our own and we did and would if it happened again (Both of us will be more attentive to the balance of the boat though). My crew mate have military education and experience in surviving cold. Myself have theoretical education. We both have trained on getting in a single scull from water. We are both fit and healthy. I think we also were judged as very unprobable to fall in, although that may have been slightly erroneuous, in hindsight.

[old] JaneW. · Post by **[old] JaneW.** » April 17th, 2005, 2:52 pm

My goodness Carl! I swam in 73 Celsius degrees water and that was freezing. I can't imagine what 3-4 degrees feels like? Should I be doing a conversion table of Celsius and Farhrenheit ? And you fellas finsihed your workout after the dip during mid distance? You write so calmly like someone who just finished another hard workout. You're something else. I don't know whether to giggle or to be stunned.

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 17th, 2005, 3:51 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(JaneW. @ Apr 17 2005, 06:52 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My goodness Carl! I swam in 73 Celsius degrees water and that was freezing. I can't imagine what 3-4 degrees feels like? Should I be doing a conversion table of Celsius and Farhrenheit ? And you fellas finsihed your workout after the dip during mid distance? You write so calmly like someone who just finished another hard workout. You're something else. I don't know whether to giggle or to be stunned. </td></tr></table> 73 Celsius degrees = 163.4 Fahrenheit. By sure more painful than 3 degrees Celsius You have my admiration! ( 3 degrees Celsius is 37 Fahrenheit = 73 backwards) Please do jiggle, I would prefer to bring joy rather than fear. On the subject of fear, I did manage not to succumb to it in the water despite it's coldness, what was even scarrier though was how calm my crew mate was. Now that was actually scarry, but his actions were proper. I never was more motivated to get rowing and finish a workout, only way to get warmth back, and perhaps the most efficient way there is to do so. There was hardly any alternative. Anyone in the same situation would have rowed back. A minute before we fell in I suggested to my crew mate a location 3k away, on the way back, to take a break. Later as we passed it I suggested we should not take the break, he agreed laughing.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » April 17th, 2005, 4:42 pm

Carl, I'm glad you were able to get back in and row back. What was the cause of the boat falling over? And did you have life jackets with you or any safety devices?

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 17th, 2005, 5:59 pm

John, We haven't determined the cause. We had plenty of safety devices, some of which I've allready mentioned: Experience, knowledge, respect for the situation, team work, mental calm, communication, initiative, determination, the boat, health, fitness.

[old] hwt · Post by **[old] hwt** » April 17th, 2005, 6:59 pm

...not to mention luck. Please be careful.

[old] CAROLE MAC · Post by **[old] CAROLE MAC** » April 18th, 2005, 6:44 am

Well back to hozzy this aft...oer could be back at work tomorrow ..... only thing can't fit in me bliddy uniform ..oops...... Carole the barrell... Done training session this am..:- 10 mins warm up 32 mins at 22spm . 2.17...getting a bit further and faster 10 mins cool down over 11082 for the session ..... may try another session after the doc's.

[old] hennmart · Post by **[old] hennmart** » April 18th, 2005, 7:29 am

Today 1:01:34,5 Hour 15,907 m. (1:56,1). Just a training for the meters. Hennie

[old] mark2 · Post by **[old] mark2** » April 18th, 2005, 9:48 am

Today 3*2500m/4` 9.59,0 22 (8) 9.57,9 22 (10) 9.56,2 22 (6)

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » April 18th, 2005, 11:44 am

Lots of pull ups over the weekend (maybe 100) scattered throughout the two days and in a lot of formats. Up to 30 lbs weighted now (like having a 3 year old hang on your hips) Saturday I did my standard roadbike "time trial" and was just 35 seconds off my course record. I'm feeling strong with 7 weeks until my MTB race (3 hour course and very technical). Sunday I went on the trails behind my house and had a great ride until a minor fall unfortunately jammed my ring finger. It is very swollen today. TIRED today.

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 18th, 2005, 2:41 pm

5 x 4 min , 3 min rest. First time with a little faster pace in a couple of weeks but it felt ok. Average 1:43.7. 91% HRR after the last.