What Training Have You Done Today???

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 29th, 2005, 4:54 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 29 2005, 12:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you were rowing a couple of seconds off the 40s hwt world record (5:47) a year or so ago but wanted to see whether you could get quite a bit better yet, even though you are aging, you would be in my position. </td></tr></table><br />Ah but you're not only trying to get better, you're trying to overcome the impossible.<br /><br />That is quite a different thing!<br /><br />The open heavyweight WR was at 37 spm. The previous lightweight record was 41+ spm and probably the current one too. The current 50+ lwt record was at 38/39 spm. Your original and subsequent 50+ lwt records were also around 38 spm.<br /><br />Now you're going to attempt to break those 50+ records at 33-34 spm??????<br /><br />That's quite a task.<br /><br />I certainly do wish you well though. If anyone can overcome the impossible than I will place my bets on you doing it.<br /><br />I do wonder, though, why anyone would insist on making such an already difficult task, even more difficult. I mean after all if it ever became too easy at 38+ spm then you could just go faster instead of reducing the rating.<br />

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 29th, 2005, 5:01 pm

John,<br /> IMHO, If you improve your stroke to row "properly" then you can pull less strokes yet go faster. Also it's likely that ranger is becoming stronger too so more power behind the correct stroke. I think it is entirely feasable that he could do it at 33-34 spm.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 29th, 2005, 5:48 pm

Roy,<br /><br />If that's true then why have most WR's, even heavyweight WR's been at 37+ spm?<br /><br />And the open lightweight records have been at 41+ strokes per minute.<br /><br />Are you saying these world record holders don't know what they're doing?<br /><br />Or is that simply wishful thinking on your part.<br /><br />To the contrary, given sufficient fitness and technique, there is every reason why you would be faster at 37+ spm than you would be at 33-34 spm, especially for lightweights and those under 6' in height.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 29th, 2005, 6:03 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>To the contrary, given sufficient fitness and technique, there is every reason why you would be faster at 37+ spm than you would be at 33-34 spm, especially for lightweights and those under 6' in height. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Agreed, "given sufficient fitness." If I ever go 37+ spm with my stroke as it is now, I will row 6:05 and that would indeed be a record for the 50s lwts! "Given sufficient fitness," there is _certainly_ no reason to row at a lower rate. <br /><br />John, your logic is impeccable. Who could disagree? Given some standard stroke, a higher rate produces a faster pace.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 29th, 2005, 6:13 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Or is that simply wishful thinking on your part.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />In my experience, the very best plans for achieving something significant, especially if that achievement is unique, are initiated and sustained by "wishful thinking." <br /><br />One foot is in reality; the other foot is in deamland.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » January 29th, 2005, 6:55 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 29 2005, 02:13 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>In my experience, the very best plans for achieving something significant, especially if that achievement is unique, are initiated and sustained by "wishful thinking." <br /><br />One foot is in reality; the other foot is in deamland.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Likely the best thing you've ever said here.<br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 30th, 2005, 7:14 am

yesterday afternoon: 10K 1:48 @ 22 spm (with breaks, heart rate capped at 160 bpm)<br /><br />this morning: 1000 sit ups, an hour of skipping, 15K 1:48 @ 22 spm (with breaks, heart rate capped at 160 bpm), 6K of 250s 1:32 @ 34 spm (13 SPI), 2 hour bike<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 30th, 2005, 7:23 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This week I had the opportunity to train on a new cardio piece by Cybex that enables the user to get up to train up to 900 watts of work. </td></tr></table><br /><br />900 watts!<br /><br />Won't be needing _that_ just yet.<br /><br />Maybe I can buy a dozen or two for my grandchildren when they come along.<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger

[old] Dodsy1974 · Post by **[old] Dodsy1974** » January 30th, 2005, 7:46 am

Been taking it easy for last few days in the lead up to the Surrey IRC. THen a nice easy week after that leading up to the trip out to Boston <br /><br />

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » January 30th, 2005, 9:09 am

Still got this cold, will do nothing today, may paddle a very gentle HM tomorrow (2:00 pace).<br /><br />Meant to be racing next weekend (Surrey IRC) have done no speed work for months, so will row it as a training piece.<br /><br />Sir Pirate

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 30th, 2005, 10:20 am

Unlucky Pirate <br /><br />for me today ;<br />20k,<br />5k,<br />30 mins bike,<br />30 mins stepper at 250 watts,<br /><br />may do more later.<br /><br />4pm;<br />13k added at 2.06

[old] Dodsy1974 · Post by **[old] Dodsy1974** » January 30th, 2005, 3:58 pm

Hey Pirate,<br /><br />Will use my Surrey piece as a test for Boston <br />

[old] SteveV · Post by **[old] SteveV** » January 30th, 2005, 4:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 30 2005, 06:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>yesterday afternoon: 10K 1:48 @ 22 spm (with breaks, heart rate capped at 160 bpm)<br /><br />this morning: 1000 sit ups, an hour of skipping, 15K 1:48 @ 22 spm (with breaks, heart rate capped at 160 bpm), 6K of 250s 1:32 @ 34 spm (13 SPI), 2 hour bike<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I thought you were racing in Toronto today Ranger ??? was this your warm-up ??<br />

[old] 6:50_wannabe · Post by **[old] 6:50_wannabe** » January 30th, 2005, 5:13 pm

Just a question! How can I get unstuck from base mode. I have been rowing at 22-24 spm for 3-4 mounts now. And just 3 weeks ago my coach started to make me do sprints. I have been hating it so much because on a 2k I cant get more than a 28-9 SPM. That drives me nuts because by the 750 to go mark its heavy on me and its also hard. I run out of gass . I have had parcial succses last week when i did a 1500 at a 34-6 . But today I had an indoor race and i was doing 28-29SPM and died at 600 to go. Finished last in my heat with time of 7:16.7 . Lame.... I was shooting for 7:10! Any way I have been pushing my self prety hard. I started rowing only about 1.5 years ago and I was so out of shape I could not have done 500m w/o stoping even if my life depended on it. Last jan. my time for a 2k was 7:34? Is that a good improvment? I am 16 HW at 78-80kg and bout 5 feet 7' inches.

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 31st, 2005, 6:26 am

Stick with it mate, just get plenty of base metres under your belt. maybe look at the drag you are using. At 16 you are making excellent progress.<br /><br />Today for me;-<br />5am, 15,000m<br /><br />06.30 ;- to gym,<br />30 mins stepper,<br />45 mins bike,<br />20 mins stepper.