What Training Have You Done Today?

[carldstevens]

Jan 20, rest day. 1/2 marathon ski erg tomorrow

[alex9026]

I have a SkiErg, hope it's okay to post in this thread. Incidentally I want to increase my cadence (my "comfortable" cadence is super slow, around 39-40) but low 50s is normal for proper technique on SkiErg.

In that case, excuse my ignorance

[Sakly]

HM r18. Very uncomfortable today, but finished it.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	❤️
1:26:03	21,097m	2:02.3	191	957	17	137
10:47.1	2,638m	2:02.6	190	952	18	134
10:47.1	5,276m	2:02.6	190	952	18	135
10:46.6	7,914m	2:02.5	190	954	18	136
10:46.1	10,552m	2:02.4	191	955	18	136
10:45.9	13,190m	2:02.4	191	956	18	137
10:45.4	15,828m	2:02.3	191	958	18	136
10:45.0	18,466m	2:02.2	192	959	18	140
10:40.1	21,097m	2:01.6	194	969	18	144

Anyone with a Garmin here? What's the best way to get the session into connect? Connect the rower as sensor, fetch the data with indoor rowing activity and let the watch do it's job or no such thing and only let concept 2 push the data to Garmin?
For the latter one the data is correct, but I don't know if it is recognized for all the metrics; doesn't seem to. The former one has some wrong data (for today's workout no power, less distance, more strokes).
The watch seems to measure the HR very well, strap in ergdata and watch in its own recorded workout have the exact same average. Only the detected max is 3 beats off.
Need to get in touch with that stuff

[nick rockliff]

Bit of a question to myself session this evening with a 5k r20

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
19:09.9 5,000m 1:54.9 230 1092 20 142
1:55.3 500m 1:55.3 228 1085 20 127
1:55.8 1,000m 1:55.8 225 1075 20 134
1:55.6 1,500m 1:55.6 227 1079 20 138
1:55.5 2,000m 1:55.5 227 1081 20 141
1:55.5 2,500m 1:55.5 227 1081 20 143
1:55.4 3,000m 1:55.4 228 1083 20 145
1:55.2 3,500m 1:55.2 229 1087 20 147
1:55.1 4,000m 1:55.1 230 1089 20 148
1:54.8 4,500m 1:54.8 231 1096 20 149
1:51.7 5,000m 1:51.7 251 1164 20 151

Think I answered my question.

[reuben]

Anyone with a Garmin here? What's the best way to get the session into connect? Connect the rower as sensor, fetch the data with indoor rowing activity and let the watch do it's job or no such thing and only let concept 2 push the data to Garmin?

I forget how I did it (and it was only a week or two ago), but it works automagically now.

See this:
https://log.concept2.com/help#integrations

I have some memory that I got a code from the PM5 or ergdata and added it in Garmin Connect. After that all rowing sessions appeared in Connect. Previous sessions do not. Hopefully the link guides you through.

[Sakly]

Anyone with a Garmin here? What's the best way to get the session into connect? Connect the rower as sensor, fetch the data with indoor rowing activity and let the watch do it's job or no such thing and only let concept 2 push the data to Garmin?

I forget how I did it (and it was only a week or two ago), but it works automagically now.

See this:
https://log.concept2.com/help#integrations

I have some memory that I got a code from the PM5 or ergdata and added it in Garmin Connect. After that all rowing sessions appeared in Connect. Previous sessions do not. Hopefully the link guides you through.

Thx for your answer on this.
I already connected the logbook to Garmin before I had the watch and it worked well. Every rowErg or skierg workout appeared there with the data.
Yesterday I did the first rowing session with the watch. I recorded it with the watch itself, as well as with ergdata for the logbook.
Afterwards I got some metrics, predicted needed rest time and other stuff. My main question is: what of both methods is the better approach? Let logbook push it to Garmin? Or let the watch record the session connected to PM5 via Ant+?
From what I saw yesterday, it seems better to let the watch record it, as it recognizes the session and its load on the body, but doesn't, when it is pushed from logbook.

[Dangerscouse]

47:42.4 12,000m 1:59.2 206 1010 22 138
5:58.0 1,500m 1:59.3 206 1008 22 131
5:58.3 3,000m 1:59.4 205 1007 22 134
5:57.6 4,500m 1:59.2 207 1011 22 137
5:57.7 6,000m 1:59.2 206 1010 22 139
5:57.7 7,500m 1:59.2 206 1010 22 142
5:57.9 9,000m 1:59.3 206 1009 22 143
5:57.5 10,500m 1:59.1 207 1011 22 143
5:57.9 12,000m 1:59.3 206 1009 22 141

After doing a 5k warmup, it became apparent that it wasn't a good day for doing any challenges.

[jcross485]

Thx for your answer on this.
I already connected the logbook to Garmin before I had the watch and it worked well. Every rowErg or skierg workout appeared there with the data.
Yesterday I did the first rowing session with the watch. I recorded it with the watch itself, as well as with ergdata for the logbook.
Afterwards I got some metrics, predicted needed rest time and other stuff. My main question is: what of both methods is the better approach? Let logbook push it to Garmin? Or let the watch record the session connected to PM5 via Ant+?
From what I saw yesterday, it seems better to let the watch record it, as it recognizes the session and its load on the body, but doesn't, when it is pushed from logbook.

What Garmin device are you using? I'm not a fan of the default activity app put out by Garmin for indoor rowing but if you go to the ConnectIQ store where you download apps to the watch, there's an app called ErgIQ - I've used this one for a bit and really like it. The reviews are mixed on it but I've never had any problems myself.

I use ErgZone to program in all of my sessions; I write the session out in ErgZone. Then I turn the C2 monitor on and connect my HR strap. Once the HR strap is connected, I connect ErgZone and send the session to the C2 monitor. Once that's synced, I open the ErgIQ app on my watch and it pairs with the C2 monitor as well. From there, I just start. When I am done, all the data ends up in the C2 logbook, in the Garmin Connect app, in my Garmin watch, and even on Strava if I want it there.

[reuben]

Anyone with a Garmin here? What's the best way to get the session into connect? Connect the rower as sensor, fetch the data with indoor rowing activity and let the watch do it's job or no such thing and only let concept 2 push the data to Garmin?

I forget how I did it (and it was only a week or two ago), but it works automagically now.

See this:
https://log.concept2.com/help#integrations

I have some memory that I got a code from the PM5 or ergdata and added it in Garmin Connect. After that all rowing sessions appeared in Connect. Previous sessions do not. Hopefully the link guides you through.

Thx for your answer on this.
I already connected the logbook to Garmin before I had the watch and it worked well. Every rowErg or skierg workout appeared there with the data.
Yesterday I did the first rowing session with the watch. I recorded it with the watch itself, as well as with ergdata for the logbook.
Afterwards I got some metrics, predicted needed rest time and other stuff. My main question is: what of both methods is the better approach? Let logbook push it to Garmin? Or let the watch record the session connected to PM5 via Ant+?
From what I saw yesterday, it seems better to let the watch record it, as it recognizes the session and its load on the body, but doesn't, when it is pushed from logbook.

I don't use a watch when rowing, so I let logbook push to Connect. By the time I walk from the erg in the basement and up the stairs, it's done. In Connect I then see the row (e.g. 4x800 r4), time, average HR, max HR, and calories. If I click on the session there's a lot more data like pace, various power measurements, etc.

Not sure what you mean by "load". Is that a Garmin-specific estimate of something?

I don't know if one way is better than the other. I just connected the two, and now have more numbers than my (retired engineer) brain wants to deal with.

[Kerry1960]

3rd go at Jan 5k CTC today. 5 sec improvement from last time but still not quite as quick as I hoped.
Still time for one last go next week

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
20:22.2 5,000m 2:02.2 192 959 27
4:06.6 1,000m 2:03.3 187 942 27
4:05.4 2,000m 2:02.7 189 952 26
4:05.2 3,000m 2:02.6 190 953 27
4:05.0 4,000m 2:02.5 190 955 27
3:59.9 5,000m 1:59.9 203 997 28

[Sakly]

I don't use a watch when rowing, so I let logbook push to Connect.

Ok, then you cannot compare the two options of course
You are using the approach I used before as well.
Yesterday, when I logged the session with my watch, I saw that a metric training effect and training load or something (giving an estimate for recovery time) was calculated based on the effort. This was not done for the pushed session from logbook.

What Garmin device are you using? I'm not a fan of the default activity app put out by Garmin for indoor rowing but if you go to the ConnectIQ store where you download apps to the watch, there's an app called ErgIQ - I've used this one for a bit and really like it. The reviews are mixed on it but I've never had any problems myself.

I use ErgZone to program in all of my sessions; I write the session out in ErgZone. Then I turn the C2 monitor on and connect my HR strap. Once the HR strap is connected, I connect ErgZone and send the session to the C2 monitor. Once that's synced, I open the ErgIQ app on my watch and it pairs with the C2 monitor as well. From there, I just start. When I am done, all the data ends up in the C2 logbook, in the Garmin Connect app, in my Garmin watch, and even on Strava if I want it there.

I did the exact same thing yesterday, so I got the entry in logbook from ergzone and in my watch/Garmin Connect from the Ant+ connection to the PM5.
As logbook is configured to push the stuff to Garmin as well, two sessions were visible, but only the logged session by the watch seemed to change the metrics (body batterie and so on).
I will have a look at your mentioned app. What exactly is it doing differently to the standard indoor rowing activity?
Need to find out if there is something available for the skierg as well...
Ps: using EPIX Gen 2.

[jcross485]

I did the exact same thing yesterday, so I got the entry in logbook from ergzone and in my watch/Garmin Connect from the Ant+ connection to the PM5.
As logbook is configured to push the stuff to Garmin as well, two sessions were visible, but only the logged session by the watch seemed to change the metrics (body batterie and so on).
I will have a look at your mentioned app. What exactly is it doing differently to the standard indoor rowing activity?
Need to find out if there is something available for the skierg as well...
Ps: using EPIX Gen 2.

I think the ErgIQ app will work with the SkiErg as well; I could be wrong as I've never tried it but they have the same monitors and are tracking the same data for the most part as the RowErg.

The ErgIQ app just seems to capture and push more data to the Garmin watch so that things like training status / load / effect and load focus are more accurately tracked and more in line with the C2 monitor and logbook than the standard indoor rowing app. Whenever I used the standard app, it would seem like the data was a bit skewed from the C2 monitor and logbook for whatever reason; ErgIQ seems to mimic it a bit better.

[Sakly]

I think the ErgIQ app will work with the SkiErg as well; I could be wrong as I've never tried it but they have the same monitors and are tracking the same data for the most part as the RowErg.

The ErgIQ app just seems to capture and push more data to the Garmin watch so that things like training status / load / effect and load focus are more accurately tracked and more in line with the C2 monitor and logbook than the standard indoor rowing app. Whenever I used the standard app, it would seem like the data was a bit skewed from the C2 monitor and logbook for whatever reason; ErgIQ seems to mimic it a bit better.

This is what I recognized as well yesterday. Additionally, getting the power metric wasn't happening at all. Only a few data points throughout the whole HM, so the watch calculated the power with 6W
Unfortunately, EPIX is not supported by this app. I saw it could handle skierg and bikeerg as well, but not for me.
For now I will go with the standard rowing activity and ANT+ "Trainer" sensor connection, will try the same with skierg today and use a renamed cardio activity to see what gets logged.
Probably I will ask the developer, if the app can made to support the EPIX. I think the EPIX is very similar to the Fenix.