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[old] jok3r · Post by **[old] jok3r** » June 22nd, 2005, 6:01 am

Only started using the rower last week seriously. <br />Done 3 x 30 minutes<br />2/6/2005 - 5711m - 2:37.6/500m<br />19/6/2005 - 6248m - 2:24.0/500m<br />22/6/2005 - 6723m - 2:13.9/500<br /><br />It seems it is going to take me a while to improve from the last one. But that be my PB if one could call it that as 1 month is not really something to measure <br /><br />Chris<br />

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » June 22nd, 2005, 1:07 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 22 2005, 09:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I'm actually quite satisfied with te 6k one, you're right with the rest. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Maybe you are, but I'm not, and you shouldn't be <br /><br />With your HM and 2k times, your 6k ought to be right at a 1:50 pace - 22:00. For completeness, here are the rest of your targets:<br /><br />5k: 18:08<br />30:00: 8000<br />10k: 37:50<br />60:00: 15500<br />FM: 2:51:00<br /><br />and when you get those done, your 2k will be a few seconds faster.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />

[old] slo_boat · Post by **[old] slo_boat** » June 22nd, 2005, 2:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 22 2005, 12:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 22 2005, 09:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I'm actually quite satisfied with te 6k one, you're right with the rest. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Maybe you are, but I'm not, and you shouldn't be <br /><br />With your HM and 2k times, your 6k ought to be right at a 1:50 pace - 22:00. For completeness, here are the rest of your targets:<br /><br />5k: 18:08<br />30:00: 8000<br />10k: 37:50<br />60:00: 15500<br />FM: 2:51:00<br /><br />and when you get those done, your 2k will be a few seconds faster.<br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />How did you figure that out?<br />

[old] hennmart · Post by **[old] hennmart** » June 22nd, 2005, 4:52 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 22 2005, 11:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'll give it a try with a hang-over as well, perhap's I'll be able to show around more often with my own PB's (watch out for them this summer!)<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Bad news: your results for 5k, 6k, 30:00, 10k, 60:00, and FM now look to need some serious improvement! In fact, your HM is at a better pace than your 60 minute piece - so that should be an easy one to improve <br /><br />Bill<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think when you follow Bill, that there will be a lot of Ancho pb's here <br /><br />Hennie<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, summer has just begun, and I've already posted 2 new PBs. I'm actually quite satisfied with te 6k one, you're right with the rest.<br />I still will have to try out the thing with the hang-over <br />Full marathon will have to wait until april...<br /><br />Yep, have fun! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hallo Ancho,<br /><br />I do think, just like Bill, that you can improve your times on the 5, 6, 30 min., 60 min. and Marathon (2.55.00.0).<br /><br />I think your times have to be the same or (much ) better than my times <br /><br />So row and improve (you can do it!) <br /><br />Hennie

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » June 22nd, 2005, 6:49 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(slo_boat @ Jun 22 2005, 06:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 22 2005, 12:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 22 2005, 09:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I'm actually quite satisfied with te 6k one, you're right with the rest. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Maybe you are, but I'm not, and you shouldn't be <br /><br />With your HM and 2k times, your 6k ought to be right at a 1:50 pace - 22:00. For completeness, here are the rest of your targets:<br /><br />5k: 18:08<br />30:00: 8000<br />10k: 37:50<br />60:00: 15500<br />FM: 2:51:00<br /><br />and when you get those done, your 2k will be a few seconds faster.<br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />How did you figure that out? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Magic <br /><br />Actually, a semi-logarithmic plot of distance versus pace (distance on the logarithmic scale, pace on the linear one). Ran a straight line through the 2k and HM data points, and picked off the others. I disregard the 500 and 1k times because someone with a strength/endurance imbalance may have particularly good (or poor) results at those distances, and the FM I disregard because many people only do them infrequently and so it is unlikely to reflect their true ability. It isn't an exact science, but if you plot the results this way you can see if some results are "weak" compared to the others, or in Ancho's case, the new HM time was much better than the rest. You can also get an idea if someone is "tilted" more towards strength at the cost of endurance, or vice versa.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />

[old] slo_boat · Post by **[old] slo_boat** » June 22nd, 2005, 9:57 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 22 2005, 05:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(slo_boat @ Jun 22 2005, 06:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 22 2005, 12:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />With your HM and 2k times, your 6k ought to be right at a 1:50 pace - 22:00. For completeness, here are the rest of your targets:<br /><br />5k: 18:08<br />30:00: 8000<br />10k: 37:50<br />60:00: 15500<br />FM: 2:51:00<br /><br />and when you get those done, your 2k will be a few seconds faster.<br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />How did you figure that out? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Magic <br /><br />Actually, a semi-logarithmic plot of distance versus pace (distance on the logarithmic scale, pace on the linear one). Ran a straight line through the 2k and HM data points, and picked off the others. I disregard the 500 and 1k times because someone with a strength/endurance imbalance may have particularly good (or poor) results at those distances, and the FM I disregard because many people only do them infrequently and so it is unlikely to reflect their true ability. It isn't an exact science, but if you plot the results this way you can see if some results are "weak" compared to the others, or in Ancho's case, the new HM time was much better than the rest. You can also get an idea if someone is "tilted" more towards strength at the cost of endurance, or vice versa.<br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks! I'll try that with my times and see what happens.

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » June 22nd, 2005, 11:02 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(slo_boat @ Jun 23 2005, 01:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Thanks! I'll try that with my times and see what happens.<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />In your case, your HM PB is a faster pace than your 10k and hour pieces! (2:03.8 vs 2:03.9 and 2:05.2 respectively). Looks like you might have some more PBs in your future You should probably be able to get your marathon time down by a few minutes; for double the distance you're taking 10 seconds/500m longer, and 5 seconds/500m is a more reasonable number. Some of that time might have been due to brief stops to drink or eat, adjust the seat pad, and so on, and having a few more very long rows under the belt will speed all of that up, or maybe even eliminate it. <br /><br />Bill<br />

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » June 23rd, 2005, 2:50 am

Hi, all!<br />Thanks for your feedback.<br />I didn't give the whole thing such a scientific approach. The most scientific for me is: I'm very tired, quiet tired, I feel fresh or half dead... <br />I specially like the 5k target you have set, its kinda very exact!<br />From january to june, we have been preparing for the Spanish on-water rowing championships, so erging was just the way, not the target. Before that, I had a long 18 year non rowing break.<br />Now, that rowing season has finished, and we just are doing a few summer races, I can concentrate more on erg improvements.<br />Regarding my results up to now, the only one that I have prepared more or less thoroughly is the 2k (the old on-water-rower-obsession), the rest (except HM and FM) just have been popping out from more or less hard workouts. I'm fully aware, there is lots of improvement potential. The full marathon I only consider in the frame of the C2 marathon challenge (without my wife knowing! ), and I just want to finish. Of course, a sub 3h would be nice...<br />The fact is, that I feel as if I could row comfortabily for hours on a somewhat-under-2:00-pace, but it gets really tough for me getting under 1:52 for longer rows.<br />Up to now, I was focusing on times of my colleagues, or from other competitors on the ranking, in order to figure me out a reasonabily realistic target.<br />I will give it a try on your time proposals, and tell you how it feels, I hope I 'll be able to take some seconds off. Don't know where to start, time will tell... The short distances always seem easier.<br /><br />And when I get those done, I hope my 2k will get some seconds faster, because finally, that's what it's all about! <br />BTW: Bill, watch out, because I will have caught you on the Nonathlon!! <br /><br />Hennie: I don't know if that will be that easy... When I'm grown up, I want to have your times! <br /><br />Have a nice row!<br />

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » June 23rd, 2005, 3:43 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 23 2005, 06:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>BTW: Bill, watch out, because I will have caught you on the Nonathlon!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Geez, if you can't catch an short overweight guy who spends all day sitting in a chair, you ought to pick a new sport I'll do my best to make you work hard...<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />p.s. your figures for your height aren't consistent - 6'3" is 1.9m, 1.87m is about 6'1.6". You're 12-15cm taller than I am, why haven't you caught me yet?

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » June 23rd, 2005, 4:14 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 23 2005, 08:43 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jun 23 2005, 06:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>BTW: Bill, watch out, because I will have caught you on the Nonathlon!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Geez, if you can't catch an short overweight guy who spends all day sitting in a chair, you ought to pick a new sport I'll do my best to make you work hard...<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />p.s. your figures for your height aren't consistent - 6'3" is 1.9m, 1.87m is about 6'1.6". You're 12-15cm taller than I am, why haven't you caught me yet? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Don't be so impatient, I'll get you!<br />Must have got mixed up, I trust you and have corrected te signature. Thanks!<br />BTW, you could put your data in the signature as well. I suppose (from the pic in your profile) that you are no lightweight...

[old] Polaco · Post by **[old] Polaco** » June 25th, 2005, 8:32 am

PB for 6K!!!<br /><br />This morning with the Aussie gang of SCIRC I've pulled a 21:25.4 for a 6K. It's better than expected so I'm quite happy!!!!! <br /><br />I was supposed to race later with them a 5k but here in Spain the weather is hot and humid and I was exhausted , so I will try to break my 5k record tomorrow morning on my own.

[old] hennmart · Post by **[old] hennmart** » June 25th, 2005, 9:45 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Polaco @ Jun 25 2005, 02:32 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>PB for 6K!!!<br /><br />This morning with the Aussie gang of SCIRC I've pulled a 21:25.4 for a 6K. It's better than expected so I'm quite happy!!!!! <br /><br />I was supposed to race later with them a 5k but here in Spain the weather is hot and humid and I was exhausted , so I will try to break my 5k record tomorrow morning on my own. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi Polaco that is a good PB!!! So tomorrow for 5k. I wish you the best <br /><br />Hennie

[old] neilb · Post by **[old] neilb** » June 26th, 2005, 5:04 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(neilb @ Jun 13 2005, 09:42 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ Jun 13 2005, 08:52 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Neil, great row! With your 10k and hour results, you ought to be able to knock several minutes off your HM without undue difficulty! I've never gotten within 2 minutes of your old 10k time or 500m of your 30 minute distance, but am 90 seconds faster over the HM. Do me a favor and row a faster HM so that I don't waste a bunch of effort trying to match your marks over the shorter distances, deluded by my apparent superiority at longer distances <br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Bill,<br /><br />If it helps the HM time was set on 9 January having only started rowing on 6 Decemeber 2004 and at that time I was still getting used to longer distance work.<br /><br />Looking back in my log I did a then PB for 60 min of 15,155 m (which at the time I was pleased with) on 3 January and a 30 min PB of 7,823 m not too long afterwards.<br /><br />Now a standard 60 min training session is at a steady 1:56 split and stays below 75% HRR to cover 15,500+ m and so I should be able carry this on to the HM distance without too much strain for a sub 82 min effort. What I need to consider is whether I can pace any faster.<br /><br />The 10k was done at around 1:48 pace so HM could be possible at say 1:52/1:53 (given the 60 min was at 1:51) i.e. sub 80 mins. <br /><br />I will see what I can do for you in the next few weeks. <br /><br />Neil <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Bill,<br /><br />1:20:18. Does that make you feel better? <br /><br />I did a 60 min training session at steady 1:54.3 and decided just to carry on at same training pace. Finished HM at 1:54. Average HR was around 76% HRR and pushed it up to 85% for last 2 minutes but still pretty much training pace.<br /><br />Will attempt "proper" PB soon at 1:52/1:53 pace. <br /><br />Neil

[old] Polaco · Post by **[old] Polaco** » June 26th, 2005, 8:52 am

Here I come again!!!<br /><br />I felt tired because of the race of the previous day..... but I tried and I did it, new PB for 5k 17:51.4.<br /><br /><br />Hennie, thank you for your congratulations and best wishes!!!<br /><br />Have a nice row!!!!<br />

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » June 26th, 2005, 10:25 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(neilb @ Jun 26 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Bill,<br /><br />1:20:18. Does that make you feel better? <br /><br />I did a 60 min training session at steady 1:54.3 and decided just to carry on at same training pace. Finished HM at 1:54. Average HR was around 76% HRR and pushed it up to 85% for last 2 minutes but still pretty much training pace.<br /><br />Will attempt "proper" PB soon at 1:52/1:53 pace. <br /><br />Neil<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Much better, thanks! <br /><br />Bill<br /><br />

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