What Training Have You Done Today?

[Dangerscouse]

I have PVCs and I know they can cause some odd things like that but I usually don't wear HR monitor other than SS these days. I am guessing it's just a "one-off", anxious to see if that's the case for you.

Thanks mate, and it's looking a one off issue. I'm assuming a combination of things made it look worse than it was, and then a slightly emotional state of mind blew it out of context even more.

I'll try an interval session tomorrow morning to see what happens, but I'm confident that it's nothing to worry about.

[Kerry1960]

Definitely out of practice with r20 rowing. Was going to do a R20 SS this morning but picked it up a bit as I went along. Now resolved to do at least 1 30r20 per week through the winter season.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
26:14.7 6,000m 2:11.2 155 833 19
5:25.4 1,200m 2:15.5 140 783 20
5:20.1 2,400m 2:13.3 148 807 19
5:16.6 3,600m 2:11.9 152 824 20
5:13.0 4,800m 2:10.4 158 843 20
4:59.6 6,000m 2:04.8 180 919 20

[Vcweiss346]

Intended for a swim/erg double. But swim was a lot of high intensity intervals with short rest. Erg will have to wait.

3k swim

[nick rockliff]

Put a 2k on the PM5 with the plan to sit on 1.47. Lost my willpower after the first 500. Nearly binned it but thought I'd paddle to 1k then push to the end to see how it went.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
7:39.7 2,000m 1:54.9 231 1093 28 142
1:47.0 500m 1:47.0 286 1283 30 140
2:24.1 1,000m 2:24.1 117 702 21 129
1:44.9 1,500m 1:44.9 303 1343 31 149
1:43.8 2,000m 1:43.8 313 1377 31 151

Next time sub 7.00

[Big J]

Rowing was yesterday and is tomorrow morning, but had a belting ride on the gravel bike today, with my highest ever average power for a 2hr plus ride - 342w average for 2hrs 15m.

Now if only I could put that out on the rower, I'd be doing a 2hr 22m marathon!

Why is it that rowing wattage is lower than cycling wattage? You'd think that getting the whole body involved would allow for a higher wattage to be produced.

[blutow]

Rowing was yesterday and is tomorrow morning, but had a belting ride on the gravel bike today, with my highest ever average power for a 2hr plus ride - 342w average for 2hrs 15m.

Now if only I could put that out on the rower, I'd be doing a 2hr 22m marathon!

Why is it that rowing wattage is lower than cycling wattage? You'd think that getting the whole body involved would allow for a higher wattage to be produced.

Cyclist here who is brand new to the erg (I just got my used c2 last week). 342w is legit power for 2+ hours. I raced Big Sugar last weekend and my NP was about 240w for just over 6 hours with lots of punchy climbing. Decent off season power for me, haven't really done any intervals since July and the race was more for fun than trying to compete.

So yeah, I thought I might be able to jump on the erg and knock out a sub 20' 5k with no experience since it only requires ~200w to hold a 2' pace. 200w is casual Z2 on the bike and I can hold that kind of wattage basically forever. But 200w on the erg for me feels pretty damn hard and I don't think I could hold it for 20 minutes. I'm really just focused on form right now, so trying to resist the urge to see what I can do, but still humbled by the wattage difference.

I've researched it a little and it seems there are a few things that make it an apples/oranges comparison of erg vs. bike watts. First of all, the erg is only measuring the work related to the pull while a bike is measuring power at the crank. There is a lot more "unaccounted" work going on during a rowing stroke (outside of the pull) compared to non-pedaling work on a bike (MTB could be an exception to this). Also, pedaling is a continuous effort that doesn't start/stop and allows for an efficient steady state. Rowing has constant significant variations of power output making it less efficient. Finally, my understanding is that the c2 wattage calculations are simply a bit low based on at least one study where actual strain gauges were used to measure the work being done. The number I see thrown around is at least a 20% drop between cycling and erg wattages and some say more like 25-30%. Again, I'm totally new to the erg world and might be way off base with my take (I'm just regurgitating some stuff I read on the interweb).

As a total beginner, I'm feeling like there is ~50% drop between my bike watts and erg watts. I'm hoping that gap is reduced pretty quick with some newbie gains in the next couple months. I did a 5k on the erg this morning at ~155w. On the bike, that would be soft pedaling, easier than walking. On the erg, I wasn't breathing hard at that pace, but it felt deliberate and I was sweating and feeling it afterwards.

[Big J]

Cyclist here who is brand new to the erg (I just got my used c2 last week). 342w is legit power for 2+ hours. I raced Big Sugar last weekend and my NP was about 240w for just over 6 hours with lots of punchy climbing. Decent off season power for me, haven't really done any intervals since July and the race was more for fun than trying to compete.

So yeah, I thought I might be able to jump on the erg and knock out a sub 20' 5k with no experience since it only requires ~200w to hold a 2' pace. 200w is casual Z2 on the bike and I can hold that kind of wattage basically forever. But 200w on the erg for me feels pretty damn hard and I don't think I could hold it for 20 minutes. I'm really just focused on form right now, so trying to resist the urge to see what I can do, but still humbled by the wattage difference.

I've researched it a little and it seems there are a few things that make it an apples/oranges comparison of erg vs. bike watts. First of all, the erg is only measuring the work related to the pull while a bike is measuring power at the crank. There is a lot more "unaccounted" work going on during a rowing stroke (outside of the pull) compared to non-pedaling work on a bike (MTB could be an exception to this). Also, pedaling is a continuous effort that doesn't start/stop and allows for an efficient steady state. Rowing has constant significant variations of power output making it less efficient. Finally, my understanding is that the c2 wattage calculations are simply a bit low based on at least one study where actual strain gauges were used to measure the work being done. The number I see thrown around is at least a 20% drop between cycling and erg wattages and some say more like 25-30%. Again, I'm totally new to the erg world and might be way off base with my take (I'm just regurgitating some stuff I read on the interweb).

As a total beginner, I'm feeling like there is ~50% drop between my bike watts and erg watts. I'm hoping that gap is reduced pretty quick with some newbie gains in the next couple months. I did a 5k on the erg this morning at ~155w. On the bike, that would be soft pedaling, easier than walking. On the erg, I wasn't breathing hard at that pace, but it felt deliberate and I was sweating and feeling it afterwards.

Welcome to the forum and welcome to rowing mate

Big Sugar looks like a cracker of a race - well done for the effort!

I'm just a very big guy - big power is mostly just to overcome my 101kg bodyweight. NP today was 366w.

Very interesting insight into why rowing produces less power than cycling. I think that they both compliment each other well, but rowing does (as you suggest) feel very inefficient.

My feeling is that as well as the unaccounted for power loss, your legs aren't necessarily the primary drivers for rowing. Yes, they provide much of the force and yes, your CV system will be very well developed, but your entire upper body is effectively untrained when you jump onto a rower for the first time.

All those slow twitch muscle fibres, capiliary development and mitochondrial adaption that you've built in your legs over years on the bike don't count for very much on the rower. You have to be careful to ease yourself into it really slowly, as your leg strength and CV system will allow you to push much harder than your upper body will tolerate. Injury is a big risk. That's how I messed up 3.5 years ago, coming from weight lifting into rowing. Too much strength, not enough condition.

It'll be really interesting to see how you adapt to the rower over the coming months.

[deadlifting265]

22/10/24(Tues)

10x750m(5)

7500m-24.55.5-1.39.7-R27-353w

1.39.5(28)
1.39.6(28)
1.39.6(27)
1.39.9(27)
1.39.7(28)
1.39.8(27)
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1.39.2(28)

[Big J]

22/10/24(Tues)

10x750m(5)

7500m-24.55.5-1.39.7-R27-353w

1.39.5(28)
1.39.6(28)
1.39.6(27)
1.39.9(27)
1.39.7(28)
1.39.8(27)
1.39.8(28)
1.39.9(27)
1.39.8(28)
1.39.2(28)

Nice. That's a lot of power.

[Vcweiss346]

Put a 2k on the PM5 with the plan to sit on 1.47. Lost my willpower after the first 500. Nearly binned it but thought I'd paddle to 1k then push to the end to see how it went.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
7:39.7 2,000m 1:54.9 231 1093 28 142
1:47.0 500m 1:47.0 286 1283 30 140
2:24.1 1,000m 2:24.1 117 702 21 129
1:44.9 1,500m 1:44.9 303 1343 31 149
1:43.8 2,000m 1:43.8 313 1377 31 151

Next time sub 7.00

Anyone else believe what I believe that being a 2k is the hardest sufferfest in sport? I’ve never experienced anything that intimidating and the level of pain u have to prepare for.

[Big J]

Anyone else believe what I believe that being a 2k is the hardest sufferfest in sport? I’ve never experienced anything that intimidating and the level of pain u have to prepare for.

Very much agree.

When I rowed last (3.5 years ago), I never managed to put in a decent 2k time. I bottled so many efforts - it's just a brutal distance.

[deadlifting265]

22/10/24(Tues)

10x750m(5)

7500m-24.55.5-1.39.7-R27-353w

1.39.5(28)
1.39.6(28)
1.39.6(27)
1.39.9(27)
1.39.7(28)
1.39.8(27)
1.39.8(28)
1.39.9(27)
1.39.8(28)
1.39.2(28)

Nice. That's a lot of power.

Thanks!

[Two Pudding Kid]

Anyone else believe what I believe that being a 2k is the hardest sufferfest in sport? I’ve never experienced anything that intimidating and the level of pain u have to prepare for.

No - you want to try running for hours limping along to the finish like I did a few times in halfmarathon runs, or crazy rowing things like marathon or more. 2k - ok your eyes are burning, your heart wants to jump out of chest, legs turned to jelly and you probably want to throw up or at least not wish to eat or a while but assuming you havent picked up an injury back to feeling human again pretty quickly.

PS I go out of my way to row 2k, competitively or otherwise. I have lost count of how many I have done but it wouldnt surprise me if that was 100 times. Eyeing up at least 3 full on attempts in 2024.

[Vcweiss346]

Anyone else believe what I believe that being a 2k is the hardest sufferfest in sport? I’ve never experienced anything that intimidating and the level of pain u have to prepare for.

No - you want to try running for hours limping along to the finish like I did a few times in halfmarathon runs, or crazy rowing things like marathon or more. 2k - ok your eyes are burning, your heart wants to jump out of chest, legs turned to jelly and you probably want to throw up or at least not wish to eat or a while but assuming you havent picked up an injury back to feeling human again pretty quickly.

PS I go out of my way to row 2k, competitively or otherwise. I have lost count of how many I have done but it wouldnt surprise me if that was 100 times. Eyeing up at least 3 full on attempts in 2024.

I have done a bunch of full Ironman distance triathlons, 24 hour bike races, and other endurance stuff. Not very fast mind you, but none of it seems as brutally painful as an all out 2k for me. I would rather “suffer” at a lower intensity for 12 hours than the 6:45 minutes it takes me to punch the 2k out

[Mike Caviston]

I have done a bunch of full Ironman distance triathlons, 24 hour bike races, and other endurance stuff. Not very fast mind you, but none of it seems as brutally painful as an all out 2k for me.

I did a 2K erg race the day before I ran my first marathon. The amount of pain was pretty much the same for both events. But the pain of the 2K was squeezed into 6.5 minutes while the pain of the marathon was spread over 3.5 hours.