What Training Have You Done Today?

[Kerry1960]

First go at the October CTC. Perhaps a little conservative on the longer intervals just to make sure I finished. Now I've got a time in I could maybe get close to 20 mins next time.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
20:24.0 5,250m 1:56.5 221 1060 28
7:59.7 2,000m 1:59.9 203 998 25
r: 2:00 41m
1:49.7 500m 1:49.7 265 1212 31
r: 4:00 31m
5:53.3 1,500m 1:57.7 214 1037 25
r: 1:30 37m
0:52.1 250m 1:44.2 309 1364 35
r: 3:00 25m
3:49.3 1,000m 1:54.6 232 1099 27
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[Sakly]

what is more difficult - a sub :60 400m or a sub 5:00 mile.

As I am a very poor runner technique wise, both wouldn't be achievable for me at all. My latest 400m trial was slightly below 70s. A 2k trial (nearest to a mile what I did) was 7min 46s.
Curious about your journey in running though

[alex9026]

That said, I was chatting with my younger brother (former 100m/200m/long jumper in collegiate track) via text yesterday about what is more difficult - a sub :60 400m or a sub 5:00 mile. He shared some of his opinions and I had some of my own but it helped give me a few things to work towards while I am not on the erg.

I haven't ran a sub :60 400m since I was a junior track runner, so I'm inclined to say the former! But the mile, much like a 2k Erg piece, is a different kind of suffering. I am well out of shape for both now, but I would feel more confident in getting back to running a sub 5:00 mile than I would running a sub :60 400m, I just wouldn't get the raw speed back.

[Sakly]

That said, I was chatting with my younger brother (former 100m/200m/long jumper in collegiate track) via text yesterday about what is more difficult - a sub :60 400m or a sub 5:00 mile. He shared some of his opinions and I had some of my own but it helped give me a few things to work towards while I am not on the erg.

I haven't ran a sub :60 400m since I was a junior track runner, so I'm inclined to say the former! But the mile, much like a 2k Erg piece, is a different kind of suffering. I am well out of shape for both now, but I would feel more confident in getting back to running a sub 5:00 mile than I would running a sub :60 400m, I just wouldn't get the raw speed back.

It's a question of what kind of athlete you are and how good your sport specific technique is.
My training partner could run a 59.x 400m after a few tries without training for it, when I ran a 69.x at the same time (also with no training for it). For the 2k run he got to a 7:22, when I got my 7:46.
On the erg this is a completely different world. My 2k is 6:37 and probably already a bit soft, he struggles to get a flat 7, his best is 7:12 (nearly same weight, he is a little bit taller, so no question of body type). His 500m 1:29.7 to mine 1:26.4 (inofficial), so on shorter distances we get closer, as technique gets less important, but even there I am a good bit faster. Only at 200m he could beat me recently, but I'm confident to say, it's only for a few days

[Sakly]

Low intensity steady meters.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	❤️
2:00:00	29,013m	2:04.0	183	930	18	133
15:00.0	3,698m	2:01.6	194	968	18	133
30:00.0	3,658m	2:03.0	188	947	19	132
45:00.0	3,621m	2:04.2	182	927	18	129
1:00:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	132
1:15:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	134
1:30:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	132
1:45:00	3,611m	2:04.6	181	922	18	134
2:00:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	139

[nick rockliff]

Joined a 30min session on Rowpro this evening, not much happening on there these days. Not sure if Rowpro 6 will ignite it once launched officially?

I dropped out after about 5 mins due to flat battery in my Surface Pro which I've not used for quite a while.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 7,319m 2:02.9 188 947 20 127
6:00.0 1,464m 2:02.9 188 948 20 121
12:00.0 1,464m 2:02.9 188 948 20 126
18:00.0 1,464m 2:02.9 188 948 20 127
24:00.0 1,464m 2:02.9 188 948 20 130
30:00.0 1,464m 2:02.9 188 948 20 132

Just steady away due to last three sessions being top end plus aerobic.

[nick rockliff]

Low intensity steady meters.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	❤️
2:00:00	29,013m	2:04.0	183	930	18	133
15:00.0	3,698m	2:01.6	194	968	18	133
30:00.0	3,658m	2:03.0	188	947	19	132
45:00.0	3,621m	2:04.2	182	927	18	129
1:00:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	132
1:15:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	134
1:30:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	132
1:45:00	3,611m	2:04.6	181	922	18	134
2:00:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	139

Any plans going forward to get the best out of these long sessions?

[Vcweiss346]

Abdominals a little sore so opting to avoid the erg today. Did a 90 minute mountain bike spin with the dog. Great trail dog did nearly 14 miles of leading out our group.

Wow....think my pooch would move out after that

Dog has been running with bikes since he was a pup. Absolute amazing trail dog. Loves to lead it out too.

[Vcweiss346]

10/17 - 40 rounds of 3 Pull-Ups, 6 Push-Ups, 6 Walking Lunges (per leg), 1 round of 5 Pull-Ups, 10 Push-Ups, 10 Walking Lunges (per leg); 10kg weight vest.

Consistent with relatively easy strength work the last few days. I noted previously that this work trip is currently "indefinite" with no real date to go home yet, although I know it will be at least by Christmas. That said, I was chatting with my younger brother (former 100m/200m/long jumper in collegiate track) via text yesterday about what is more difficult - a sub :60 400m or a sub 5:00 mile. He shared some of his opinions and I had some of my own but it helped give me a few things to work towards while I am not on the erg.

As a former “runner” and have trained for both a 400 and mile I would tell you that those two goal times correlate very well. If u have the fitness to run a 5:00 mile then 60 sec 1/4 is right in the wheelhouse. Whats easier? I woukd say 400s. Requires less time and volume but an all out 400 is painful!

[Sakly]

Low intensity steady meters.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	❤️
2:00:00	29,013m	2:04.0	183	930	18	133
15:00.0	3,698m	2:01.6	194	968	18	133
30:00.0	3,658m	2:03.0	188	947	19	132
45:00.0	3,621m	2:04.2	182	927	18	129
1:00:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	132
1:15:00	3,614m	2:04.5	181	923	18	134
1:30:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	132
1:45:00	3,611m	2:04.6	181	922	18	134
2:00:00	3,599m	2:05.0	179	916	18	139

Any plans going forward to get the best out of these long sessions?

I think of another marathon attempt and probably a 50k too. Not accurately planned yet, but it is already staying longer in my mind, so I increased some of my steady sessions to see, how my CVS can handle it currently. Aside of this, I enjoy these long sessions with good music

[Vcweiss346]

Session 3. Just getting the feel back and hope to make one hour sessions by next week. Preceded by 3k swim.

49:20.3 12,009m 2:03.2 187 943 21
5:00.0 1,258m 1:59.2 206 1010 21
10:00.0 1,244m 2:00.5 200 987 21
15:00.0 1,253m 1:59.7 204 1002 21
20:00.0 1,218m 2:03.1 187 944 21
25:00.0 1,208m 2:04.1 183 929 21
30:00.0 1,213m 2:03.6 185 936 21
35:00.0 1,210m 2:03.9 184 932 21
40:00.0 1,200m 2:05.0 179 916 21
45:00.0 1,189m 2:06.1 174 899 21
49:20.3 1,017m 2:07.9 167 874 21

[Gustel]

I came home really tired from work. It meant to be 1hr at 2:14. After 20 min I had enough.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
21:34.0 4,826m 2:14.0 145 799 23 127
12:00.0 2,680m 2:14.3 144 796 23 126
21:34.0 2,147m 2:13.6 147 804 23 128

[Jbrown1215]

Good to see the usual folk in here still getting after it. Not much Erg'ing for me of late, clocked a couple of 8k+ 30r20's and a couple of sprint based sessions post lifting. Today's work as follows:
3k 10:50.0 1:48.3 r20
3:00
2k 7:07.4 1:46.8 r20
2:00
1k 3:29.9 1:44.9 r20
Total:
6k 21:27 1:47 r20

Enjoyed this, comfortably hard whilst leaving a little in the tank. Some life stresses and this darn issue with my calf/foot has thrown a spanner in the works and that enthusiasm I had took a rapid decline.

Bit of a tangent but I train, whether it be on my bike/erg/lifting weights because I enjoy it, and the hard work that goes with it, but that part should be on my terms. The moment I start letting my life try fit around it, rather than the other way round, I know I'm heading down a slippery slope. I don't respond well to losing weight and I've been down this road before.

Having Bluetooth connectivity issues is a good excuse to just hop on and do what I fancy on the day, no technology and online logbooks or seeking external validation (absolutely nothing wrong with this!). I've mentioned before about missing a competitive element in my life but if I'm being really honest with myself, I probably don't. That's not to say I won't in six, twelve, eighteen months down the line... but right now, I couldn't think of anything worse than a 2k specific prep ahead of BRIC. If I wasn't a bleeding 5 hour drive away I'd certainly come and watch, mind.

Bummer to hear about the calf; nagging/chronic injuries or pain can really dampen the enthusiasm for training, speaking from personal experience with hip and pelvic issues. Hope you find effective ways to manage through it.

I can certainly relate to the challenges in finding balance w/ training vs. the rest of my life. At times I've caught myself swinging too far towards optimizing my day-to-day around training, and for me that is a slippery slope that I seem to routinely be on the precipice of. I chalk it up to having a bit of an addictive personality, which as I'm sure many of you can relate, can be a double-edged sword...

~12 months now since getting back on the erg I've found myself flip-flopping through periods where I find genuine joy in the training (intrinsic motivation), and other periods where motivation is low and I'm grinding through it solely because I feel like I have something to prove to myself or others (more extrinsic motivation)... Who those "others" are I can't even really say. I'll blame my inner child for that, who was bullied throughout elementary school and then went through high school and college with a massive chip on his shoulder. It's not a headspace I enjoy being in, and makes me question how much longer I will want to train at this level.

The thought of doing 2k prep right now sounds similarly terrible to me; but with a title to defend at next February's "Golden State Indoor Rowing Championships", I'll need to start preparing for that in early December!

[Jbrown1215]

Been a bit since I've posted here; I hope everyone's training is going well as we head towards the darker, colder winter months...

I've been sharing/posting my daily training updates (the good and the bad) the last few months via my instagram (jbrown1215), so if you're interested, you'll find me there. Have averaged ~320k/month this season so far, with a couple heavier 400k+ months and a couple slower months as I've taken vacations and other small breaks. Overall I've been very pleased with the continued progress on the erg, and was able to knock out a number of PBs over the summer.

Aside from the erg, I started getting back out on the water in August, and was able to get a handful of practices in with a masters crew as they geared up for the Head of the Charles (happening this weekend!). I thought that my fitness and erg scores might help offset the lack of water time and earn me a seat in the 40+ masters 8+, but alas, it was not to be. Coach essentially told me that my form was still a bit too rough; turns out 16+ years of rust doesn't go away in only a few sessions. Quite humbling, and a great reminder of one of the most cliched truisms in rowing -- ergs don't float!

I'll decide at some point over the winter if I'm willing to commit to on-water practices for a full ~6 months or so leading up to next year's HOCR...

My wife also just gave me permission to buy a BikeErg, so I'll hopefully find a used one in decent shape soon to add to the garage gym. I'm excited to get more biking & running in this winter season to keep things fresh!

[alex9026]

Bummer to hear about the calf; nagging/chronic injuries or pain can really dampen the enthusiasm for training, speaking from personal experience with hip and pelvic issues. Hope you find effective ways to manage through it.

I can certainly relate to the challenges in finding balance w/ training vs. the rest of my life. At times I've caught myself swinging too far towards optimizing my day-to-day around training, and for me that is a slippery slope that I seem to routinely be on the precipice of. I chalk it up to having a bit of an addictive personality, which as I'm sure many of you can relate, can be a double-edged sword...

~12 months now since getting back on the erg I've found myself flip-flopping through periods where I find genuine joy in the training (intrinsic motivation), and other periods where motivation is low and I'm grinding through it solely because I feel like I have something to prove to myself or others (more extrinsic motivation)... Who those "others" are I can't even really say. I'll blame my inner child for that, who was bullied throughout elementary school and then went through high school and college with a massive chip on his shoulder. It's not a headspace I enjoy being in, and makes me question how much longer I will want to train at this level.

The thought of doing 2k prep right now sounds similarly terrible to me; but with a title to defend at next February's "Golden State Indoor Rowing Championships", I'll need to start preparing for that in early December!

Thanks Justin, that's a brutally honest response. We all exercise our own issues in life and prioritise might have to adjust accordingly. I only picked up the Erg December last year and it absolutely reignited the flame for an athletic competitive drive I hadn't seen in years. Taking in to account an op in March ruling me out for six weeks, to go sub 6:24 this summer suggested I was/am half decent at this!

On reflection, I probably jumped in to the deep end to get in to that shape just a little too soon and a culmination of external factors, some of which I was hiding away from, have caught up with me. For one, I'm a shift worker and my sleep pattern this year, if I can call it that, has really thrown a hard right hook at my body. I'd be going in to hard sessions sleep deprived fueled by caffeine and ignorance. My asthma has also been flaring up, something I was only diagnosed with two years ago and has never previously been an issue. I see a Dr in three weeks to address these two issues. Essentially, I need to get my health in order.

Sorry to derail the thread! No Erg'ing today, but I did squat my bodyweight for 20 so my sprinting might be heading in the right direction...

I've no doubt you'll be in top shape come February and that we'll see that 6:15 tumble!