Vo2 max

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Annisotropic
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Vo2 max

Post by Annisotropic » August 31st, 2024, 6:47 am

I'm a bit confused about VO2 max;
Mine is "average" for my age (approx 30ish, 61yo F)
But my rowing level is apparently "advanced", bordering on "elite" at some distances.

Is VO2 somehow not as important as in other sports? (seems highly unlikely), or are there just very few women my age rowing/erging, making me a medium-sized fish in a very tiny pond? (seems extremely likely 🐟😂)

In any case, is VO2 max likely to be the limiting factor on my performance? Is there a targeted way to improve it?
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Re: Vo2 max

Post by gvcormac » August 31st, 2024, 7:20 am

How did you measure it? Smart watch estimates aren't worth much.

That said, your reported VO2 max is excellent for your age, accordig to this table:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice ... 2-max.html

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Annisotropic » August 31st, 2024, 7:43 am

I used both the calculator and the chart on the concept 2 website.
My best recent 2k was 8.43, but isn't my best event.
I don't plan to test again until I finish the BPP, hopefully in late October.

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Rowan McSheen » August 31st, 2024, 8:17 am

Interesting results from the calculator linked in the article linked above: https://www.worldfitnesslevel.org/#/

I told it I exercise most days for over 30 minutes and go all out, and it told me I have the VO2 max and fitness of a 27 year old. When I opted for the mid level of some heavy breathing and sweating, I was bumped up to 39. I'm actually 64 so accurate or not, I'll take it :D
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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Annisotropic » August 31st, 2024, 8:44 am

Yeah, I had a polar watch about 20 years ago, which performed some kind of fitness assessment which iirc, involved lying on a sofa for 20 minutes without moving. It graded me as something like a fit 20yo man at the time. 🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Vo2 max

Post by dabatey » August 31st, 2024, 3:28 pm

Garmin connect tells me I have the fitness of a 21 year old (based on my cycling). As written evidence this 52 year old does sometimes point this out to my other half lol.
Age 52....Weight 61 Kg....
Row 26 Aug 21 to Mar 22. Cycle Mar 22 to Jun 24. Now mixing the 2.
2K 8.02.3 (23 Oct 21)...7.37.0(15 Mar 22)
5K 22.14 (2 Oct 21)
Resting HR 45 (was 48 in 2021)....Max HR (Seen) 182 [185 cycling]

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Annisotropic » August 31st, 2024, 5:31 pm

I'm confident that you have a lot more in common with a 21yo man than I did..... Apart from my highly tuned ability to lie motionless on a sofa.....

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Tsnor » August 31st, 2024, 8:23 pm

yet another vo2max calculator. This one from concept2:

https://www.concept2.com/training/vo2ma ... yxEALw_wcB

tool is based on thousands of real data points collected by Dr. Fritz Hagerman of Ohio University. Over the years, Dr. Hagerman performed VO2max tests using gas analysis on many subjects. He also had the same subjects row a max 2000m test piece on the indoor rower. He then correlated the two tests to create the formulae used in this prediction tool.

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by Sakly » September 1st, 2024, 2:41 am

Rowan McSheen wrote:
August 31st, 2024, 8:17 am
Interesting results from the calculator linked in the article linked above: https://www.worldfitnesslevel.org/#/
Used this calculator and got 59.
Tsnor wrote:
August 31st, 2024, 8:23 pm
yet another vo2max calculator. This one from concept2:

https://www.concept2.com/training/vo2ma ... yxEALw_wcB
Concept 2 calculator tells me 70.

My Polar watch tells me 61.
So probably the truth is somewhere in the middle of that stuff.

In a sport being very technical and depending on body proportions like rowing, it is only a (small?) part of the complete picture of the performance.
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:16.1
500m: 1:27.1
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: Vo2 max

Post by dabatey » September 1st, 2024, 4:27 am

The c2 calculator gives some very weird results.

Ticking untrained instead of highly trained raises my score +4 from 60 to 64, but entering Sakly's figures changes them the other way -13 from 70 to 57.
Age 52....Weight 61 Kg....
Row 26 Aug 21 to Mar 22. Cycle Mar 22 to Jun 24. Now mixing the 2.
2K 8.02.3 (23 Oct 21)...7.37.0(15 Mar 22)
5K 22.14 (2 Oct 21)
Resting HR 45 (was 48 in 2021)....Max HR (Seen) 182 [185 cycling]

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by jcross485 » September 1st, 2024, 8:50 am

The calculators provide a general guideline but I would not put too much stock in the number unless you're going to a lab and having an actual test performed.

https://www.worldfitnesslevel.org/#/ - 60

Concept2 - 54 (not highly trained) to 64 (highly trained)

Garmin - 54

With that said, I've recently made a connection at our local university and might be able to have actual testing done in the lab. They're generally set up to test using a treadmill but they said I could also bring in my own erg and set it up to test on. It would be interesting to test and compare rowing vs. running results.

I think testing on a modality that you're trained in and proficient in makes a difference as well, meaning the actual score (for me) if tested cycling vs. rowing vs. running would vary. If you're a rower who doesn't run much, you might not be able to fully express during a VO2 max on a treadmill.
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Re: Vo2 max

Post by nick rockliff » September 1st, 2024, 11:24 am

jcross485 wrote:
September 1st, 2024, 8:50 am
The calculators provide a general guideline but I would not put too much stock in the number unless you're going to a lab and having an actual test performed.

https://www.worldfitnesslevel.org/#/ - 60

Concept2 - 54 (not highly trained) to 64 (highly trained)

Garmin - 54

With that said, I've recently made a connection at our local university and might be able to have actual testing done in the lab. They're generally set up to test using a treadmill but they said I could also bring in my own erg and set it up to test on. It would be interesting to test and compare rowing vs. running results.

I think testing on a modality that you're trained in and proficient in makes a difference as well, meaning the actual score (for me) if tested cycling vs. rowing vs. running would vary. If you're a rower who doesn't run much, you might not be able to fully express during a VO2 max on a treadmill.
The test is sport specific and fairly uncomfortable rowing wearing a face mask.
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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Re: Vo2 max

Post by jcross485 » September 1st, 2024, 1:59 pm

nick rockliff wrote:
September 1st, 2024, 11:24 am
The test is sport specific and fairly uncomfortable rowing wearing a face mask.
I can imagine, but I also can't imagine it being comfortable running to max with a face mask either.
M, '85; 5'10" (1.78m), 175lbs (79kg)

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