New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » April 15th, 2024, 9:33 am

RWAGR wrote:
April 15th, 2024, 8:20 am
Disappointing 60 min PB for me today. I suppose a PB by 141 meters is solid enough (especially as it was a recent PB from last month), but I'm irritated not to have broken 16,000. I blew up attempting this on Saturday when I was ahead of 1.52.5 pace with 20 min to go before HD'ing, so today I tried to be more conservative. I still couldn't hold the split in the 1.52's in the back half, but had good enough mental resilience to settle for a 15,900's result even once I knew my final push wouldn't get me to 16,000. Hopefully next season I can get there.

1:00:00.0 15,967m 1:52.7 244 1140 27 162
6:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 149
12:00.0 1,596m 1:52.7 244 1139 27 155
18:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 159
24:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 160
30:00.0 1,593m 1:52.9 243 1134 27 162
36:00.0 1,595m 1:52.8 244 1138 27 165
42:00.0 1,588m 1:53.3 240 1127 27 166
48:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 169
54:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 170
1:00:00.0 1,619m 1:51.1 255 1176 28 174
Completely agree, this PB is absolutely worth to be celebrated and you will pass the 16k next time!
The pacing looks quote right to me, as I also like to use a more even approach, but this is very individual :)
Last time I started to fast and had to back off during the piece, even backing off several seconds per split for some time to regain power, so it's hard to know where to start, as it can get very dark within an hour...
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:16.1
500m: 1:27.1
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by ahooton » April 15th, 2024, 10:10 am

Jbrown1215 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 11:25 pm
Not a lifetime 2k PB, but am adding it to my list of "late 30s" PBs... more details to be found in the "What training have you done today?" thread.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M HR
6:15.2 2,000m 1:33.8 424 1759 33 169
...
1:33.5 500m 1:33.5 428 1773 33 161
1:34.6 1,000m 1:34.6 413 1722 32 168
1:34.5 1,500m 1:34.5 415 1727 32 173
1:32.5 2,000m 1:32.5 442 1821 36 176
This is a fantastic 2k time for almost 40. Very well done mate!!
M 6’4. 96Kg 43
2k - 6:43.0
5k - 17:45
6k - 21:43
10k - 37:09
30 mins-8179
1hr - 15829m
HM - 1:21.44
FM - 2:56.56

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » April 15th, 2024, 10:20 am

RWAGR wrote:
April 15th, 2024, 8:20 am
Disappointing 60 min PB for me today. I suppose a PB by 141 meters is solid enough (especially as it was a recent PB from last month), but I'm irritated not to have broken 16,000. I blew up attempting this on Saturday when I was ahead of 1.52.5 pace with 20 min to go before HD'ing, so today I tried to be more conservative. I still couldn't hold the split in the 1.52's in the back half, but had good enough mental resilience to settle for a 15,900's result even once I knew my final push wouldn't get me to 16,000. Hopefully next season I can get there.

1:00:00.0 15,967m 1:52.7 244 1140 27 162
6:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 149
12:00.0 1,596m 1:52.7 244 1139 27 155
18:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 159
24:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 160
30:00.0 1,593m 1:52.9 243 1134 27 162
36:00.0 1,595m 1:52.8 244 1138 27 165
42:00.0 1,588m 1:53.3 240 1127 27 166
48:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 169
54:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 170
1:00:00.0 1,619m 1:51.1 255 1176 28 174
I love that this is "disappointing", and it shows how far you've come. These moments of almost breaking it are a great part of the process, and when you do break 16k, you'll see this moment as a springboard to make you hungrier for it.

Don't underestimate how Saturday's HD will have affected your mindset and possibly energy levels, as that could easily have been the difference that you needed.
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by alex9026 » April 15th, 2024, 11:54 am

Jbrown1215 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 11:25 pm
Not a lifetime 2k PB, but am adding it to my list of "late 30s" PBs... more details to be found in the "What training have you done today?" thread.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M HR
6:15.2 2,000m 1:33.8 424 1759 33 169
...
1:33.5 500m 1:33.5 428 1773 33 161
1:34.6 1,000m 1:34.6 413 1722 32 168
1:34.5 1,500m 1:34.5 415 1727 32 173
1:32.5 2,000m 1:32.5 442 1821 36 176
This is seriously impressive, irrespective of old and new PB's. Look forward to seeing you progress from here.
34 6'2 89kg
1min 368 500m 1:26 2k 6:24 5k 17:27

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by RWAGR » April 16th, 2024, 9:32 am

Thanks for the pep talks guys!

Re pacing- I usually fall into the negative split camp (albeit my first split is, like most people, usually ahead of target). For this last 60 min I ended up flat pacing but part of the psychological problem was I knew I was gassed at 30 min and wouldn't be able to push on. The flip side problem, of course, is that when you start conservatively you can't help but notice the "projected finish" screen which starts playing the classic "you'll never make up that much ground" mind tricks.

I often feel that projected finish is the most evil data point on the erg- maybe I need to tape over it.
Rob, 40, 6'1", 188 lbs. Potomac, MD, USA (albeit English-Australian originally).

2k: 6:45.4 (2023)
5k: 17:46.7 (2024)
30': 8,182 (2024)
10k: 36:49.9 (2024)
60’: 15,967 (2024)
HM: 1:20:27.4 (2024)
FM: 2:48:21.4 (2024)
100k: 7:43:28.2 (2024)

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Tandstad » April 16th, 2024, 10:56 am

RWAGR wrote:
April 16th, 2024, 9:32 am
Thanks for the pep talks guys!

Re pacing- I usually fall into the negative split camp (albeit my first split is, like most people, usually ahead of target). For this last 60 min I ended up flat pacing but part of the psychological problem was I knew I was gassed at 30 min and wouldn't be able to push on. The flip side problem, of course, is that when you start conservatively you can't help but notice the "projected finish" screen which starts playing the classic "you'll never make up that much ground" mind tricks.

I often feel that projected finish is the most evil data point on the erg- maybe I need to tape over it.
Often for long races, I have a checkpoint halfway. I have a max HR of about 188, and I know that on a good day, I can complete a session with an average HR of about 170 or there about(for my 2k it was 176 average, but this strategy is for longer pieces). I split my session into 8 equal pieces, and once I hit the halfway point, I check my HR. At halfway, I have found that whatever HR I have there, is usually close to what will be the average for my whole session. If I am still in the 160's halfway, I am "good". If I am at 170, there is maybe a 50/50 chance of completion. If I am at 175 already, I am in for a hell of a ride, and there is almost no chance of finishing at that pace.

I executed this strategy for my 60 minutes piece last Saturday(see details below). I was still in the 160's at halfway, and all should be good. I had also planned to up the pace in the 2nd half, so I knew that towards the end, I would have to suffer a bit :lol:

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
1:00:00 16,041m 1:52.2 248 1152 25 168
7:30.0 1,965m 1:54.5 233 1102 26 154
15:00.0 1,989m 1:53.1 242 1132 25 158
22:30.0 1,993m 1:52.8 243 1137 25 162
30:00.0 2,006m 1:52.1 248 1153 25 167
37:30.0 2,011m 1:51.8 250 1160 25 171
45:00.0 2,012m 1:51.8 250 1161 25 173
52:30.0 2,013m 1:51.7 251 1162 26 176
1:00:00. 2,052m 1:49.6 265 1213 26 184

I love the projected finish btw. I can be like "now I see 15800....now I see 15900....now I see 16000" :D
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1K: 2:59(2020), 2K: 6:16(2020), 5K: 16:44(2020), 10K: 34:44(2020), 30min: 8743m(2020), 30r20: 8416(2020), 60min: 16851(2021) HM: 1:16:19(2020)

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by DavidA » April 16th, 2024, 1:38 pm

RWAGR wrote:
April 15th, 2024, 8:20 am
Disappointing 60 min PB for me today. I suppose a PB by 141 meters is solid enough (especially as it was a recent PB from last month), but I'm irritated not to have broken 16,000. I blew up attempting this on Saturday when I was ahead of 1.52.5 pace with 20 min to go before HD'ing, so today I tried to be more conservative. I still couldn't hold the split in the 1.52's in the back half, but had good enough mental resilience to settle for a 15,900's result even once I knew my final push wouldn't get me to 16,000. Hopefully next season I can get there.

1:00:00.0 15,967m 1:52.7 244 1140 27 162
6:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 149
12:00.0 1,596m 1:52.7 244 1139 27 155
18:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 159
24:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 160
30:00.0 1,593m 1:52.9 243 1134 27 162
36:00.0 1,595m 1:52.8 244 1138 27 165
42:00.0 1,588m 1:53.3 240 1127 27 166
48:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 169
54:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 170
1:00:00.0 1,619m 1:51.1 255 1176 28 174
Big congratulations!
That is a big increase in meters, although I understand the disappointment at not getting to 16 km.
Good luck on getting there soon

David
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Jbrown1215 » April 16th, 2024, 2:51 pm

RWAGR wrote:
April 15th, 2024, 8:20 am
Disappointing 60 min PB for me today. I suppose a PB by 141 meters is solid enough (especially as it was a recent PB from last month), but I'm irritated not to have broken 16,000. I blew up attempting this on Saturday when I was ahead of 1.52.5 pace with 20 min to go before HD'ing, so today I tried to be more conservative. I still couldn't hold the split in the 1.52's in the back half, but had good enough mental resilience to settle for a 15,900's result even once I knew my final push wouldn't get me to 16,000. Hopefully next season I can get there.

1:00:00.0 15,967m 1:52.7 244 1140 27 162
6:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 149
12:00.0 1,596m 1:52.7 244 1139 27 155
18:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 159
24:00.0 1,598m 1:52.6 245 1142 27 160
30:00.0 1,593m 1:52.9 243 1134 27 162
36:00.0 1,595m 1:52.8 244 1138 27 165
42:00.0 1,588m 1:53.3 240 1127 27 166
48:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 169
54:00.0 1,591m 1:53.1 242 1131 27 170
1:00:00.0 1,619m 1:51.1 255 1176 28 174
That's a fantastic PB! I can definitely understand the feeling of disappointment, and how the thought of breaking through a hard-to-reach goal/milestone can consume your training for the next few sessions... I don't know what your training program is like more generally, but I've found that for me, there's definitely an element of "fear" when I'm adapting to seeing lower numbers on the PM. The "fear" being, "I don't know if I can sustain this; I'm going to blow a gasket," etc. which without a doubt affects my performance come test day. My own recent experience has shown that in some instances, my body/fitness is actually "ready" for the next step before my mind is, and the task then becomes putting in the time/work getting more comfortable seeing those lower numbers, especially for a test as demanding as the HoP... I do plan on training for an HoP at some point later this year, and when that time comes I would likely take the following approach (using your splits for illustrative purposes here)... Oh, and take this unsolicited advice with a grain of salt, I am by no means a credentialed/qualified coach!

- One longer interval workout each week spending significant time at or around the target pace, e.g. 3x20min w/ 5' rest, 2x30min w/ 5' rest, at your target of 1:52.5. This will be tough.
- One mid-distance interval workout each week along the lines of 4x2k w/ 5' rest, 3x3k w/ 5' rest, etc. at ~5-6 beats below the target HoP pace, focused on building endurance with slightly more of a power/watts focus. These workouts have helped build my confidence in the sense that, if I can hold target pace X-5 pace for the extended periods in these workouts, then seeing target pace X on the PM for minutes on end feels less outside the bounds of my ability.
- Weight training 1-2x/week focused on a handful of compound lifts (good mornings, squats, deadlifts, pull-ups/rows, overhead/bench press) to improve max power potential.
- And obviously, copious amounts of disciplined (staying within the appropriate HR zone) steady state :).

Now, you may very well already be doing something similar, in which case, plz ignore. Either way, good luck to you in your quest for 16k!
RWAGR wrote:
April 16th, 2024, 9:32 am
Thanks for the pep talks guys!

Re pacing- I usually fall into the negative split camp (albeit my first split is, like most people, usually ahead of target). For this last 60 min I ended up flat pacing but part of the psychological problem was I knew I was gassed at 30 min and wouldn't be able to push on. The flip side problem, of course, is that when you start conservatively you can't help but notice the "projected finish" screen which starts playing the classic "you'll never make up that much ground" mind tricks.

I often feel that projected finish is the most evil data point on the erg- maybe I need to tape over it.
FWIW, I rarely look at the projected finish metric on the PM, and tend to be pretty laser-focused on meters left. I suppose through my high school + college experience I developed a repertoire of mind games/tricks to play with myself involving meters remaining, and breaking things into manageable chunks, which keeps my brain fully occupied. Taping projected finish over could be a great way to redirect your focus and help you be more "present" during your pieces. Worth trying for sure.
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1k: 2:58.5
2k: 6:15.2
5k: 16:35
6k: 20:18
30R20: 8610m
10k: 34:25
60': 17069m
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by RWAGR » April 16th, 2024, 6:26 pm

@David- thank you!
@Justin- thanks so much for the feedback/ ideas. I'm definitely going to try and incorporate them as I chase 16k, and look to the guidance from you, Stu, Jo-Andre, Sascha and others!
Rob, 40, 6'1", 188 lbs. Potomac, MD, USA (albeit English-Australian originally).

2k: 6:45.4 (2023)
5k: 17:46.7 (2024)
30': 8,182 (2024)
10k: 36:49.9 (2024)
60’: 15,967 (2024)
HM: 1:20:27.4 (2024)
FM: 2:48:21.4 (2024)
100k: 7:43:28.2 (2024)

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by ahooton » April 20th, 2024, 5:45 pm

Set out to do a steady 2:00 pace HM training row in preparation for the May challenge. Felt strong in the first 30 mins so picked the pace up and ended up taking 80 seconds off my HM PB. :) really happy with it as I thought I would have lost endurance due to focusing on interval training the 6 weeks.
Ended up being 1:22 21. Felt very comfortable throughout so looking forward to really going for it in a few weeks. Maybe sub 1hr 22
M 6’4. 96Kg 43
2k - 6:43.0
5k - 17:45
6k - 21:43
10k - 37:09
30 mins-8179
1hr - 15829m
HM - 1:21.44
FM - 2:56.56

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » April 21st, 2024, 1:06 am

ahooton wrote:
April 20th, 2024, 5:45 pm
Set out to do a steady 2:00 pace HM training row in preparation for the May challenge. Felt strong in the first 30 mins so picked the pace up and ended up taking 80 seconds off my HM PB. :) really happy with it as I thought I would have lost endurance due to focusing on interval training the 6 weeks.
Ended up being 1:22 21. Felt very comfortable throughout so looking forward to really going for it in a few weeks. Maybe sub 1hr 22
Huge improvement. It does sound like sub 82 mins is achievable

Interval training still has good benefits for longer distances, although it does need a strong mindset to keep going if you've not done much longer distances in recent weeks. The HM can easily become a use it or lose it distance.
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » April 21st, 2024, 1:12 am

ahooton wrote:
April 20th, 2024, 5:45 pm
Set out to do a steady 2:00 pace HM training row in preparation for the May challenge. Felt strong in the first 30 mins so picked the pace up and ended up taking 80 seconds off my HM PB. :) really happy with it as I thought I would have lost endurance due to focusing on interval training the 6 weeks.
Ended up being 1:22 21. Felt very comfortable throughout so looking forward to really going for it in a few weeks. Maybe sub 1hr 22
Well done!
The unexpected PBs are the best :)
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:16.1
500m: 1:27.1
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by ahooton » April 21st, 2024, 4:28 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
April 21st, 2024, 1:06 am
ahooton wrote:
April 20th, 2024, 5:45 pm
Set out to do a steady 2:00 pace HM training row in preparation for the May challenge. Felt strong in the first 30 mins so picked the pace up and ended up taking 80 seconds off my HM PB. :) really happy with it as I thought I would have lost endurance due to focusing on interval training the 6 weeks.
Ended up being 1:22 21. Felt very comfortable throughout so looking forward to really going for it in a few weeks. Maybe sub 1hr 22
Huge improvement. It does sound like sub 82 mins is achievable

Interval training still has good benefits for longer distances, although it does need a strong mindset to keep going if you've not done much longer distances in recent weeks. The HM can easily become a use it or lose it distance.
Thanks mate.
It’s a nice distance, not too long it becomes mundane but long enough to think twice! :). Are you a red, Stu?
M 6’4. 96Kg 43
2k - 6:43.0
5k - 17:45
6k - 21:43
10k - 37:09
30 mins-8179
1hr - 15829m
HM - 1:21.44
FM - 2:56.56

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » April 21st, 2024, 8:30 am

ahooton wrote:
April 21st, 2024, 4:28 am
Are you a red, Stu?
I certainly am, although I'm losing a bit of interest in recent times. Are you?
50 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by ahooton » April 21st, 2024, 8:52 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
April 21st, 2024, 8:30 am
ahooton wrote:
April 21st, 2024, 4:28 am
Are you a red, Stu?
I certainly am, although I'm losing a bit of interest in recent times. Are you?
I am indeed. Grew up in Southport but we lived in West Derby for a few years when I was in my early teens. Right next to melwood! Had no choice but to be a red. Love them but I think this season is done for us.
M 6’4. 96Kg 43
2k - 6:43.0
5k - 17:45
6k - 21:43
10k - 37:09
30 mins-8179
1hr - 15829m
HM - 1:21.44
FM - 2:56.56

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