Anyone Heard Of A "rowing Shadow"

[[old] SteveV]

just seen this on <a href='http://www.onlinerowing.co.uk' target='_blank'>OnlineRowing</a><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Eddie will be at SLIRC demonstrating the 'rowing shadow' and offering introductory lung function/inspiratory muscle (POWERbreathe) testing. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Anyone know what it is ??

[[old] PaulS]

Go to <a href='http://www.rowsense.com' target='_blank'>www.rowsense.com</a> and take a look. The users manual alone is good reading on a few common issues that it would help with. They are a bit spendy IMO, but I ordered one anyway, gave it a try at CRASH-B's and it seems quite useful. Can't wait to give it a go on slides with video, it should make for some interesting feedback.<br /><br />Heck, by the time a person is CBreezed, ErgMonitored, Shadowed, on Slides, and instructed in how to put them all to good use, they could probably get pretty well tidied up without a coach. <br /><br />I saw this a year ago at CRASH-B's as well, and the guys have really done a great job of improving it to a more useful state than it was in the prototype stages, they even got a nice write-up in last months Rowing News.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it will become a permanent fixture on my Erg, but can easily see taking it to the boathouse to work with athletes from time to time. It won't be everyones cup of tea, as if you get lazy or don't pay attention, the oversights become glaringly obvious, so if you can't stand to Erg without outside distractions (TV, Tunes, etc...) it might just annoy you more than you want, though I'd consider that a good thing.

[[old] SteveV]

Paul<br /><br />Someone on UK site gave the same link, guess they all saw it at Crash-B's. The manual is quite comprehensive, will have a better look through that to see what I might be doing wrong<br /><br />Is it difficult to setup ?

[[old] Eddie Fletcher]

The rowers I have used the shadow with all think it is a great aid. After a few minutes forget about it but helps to maintain technique throughout training session. <br /><br />Good technique at all times is important for efficient rowing and optimising performance Agree with Paul a must probably for rowing clubs, gyms and schools as a teaching aid.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-SteveV+Mar 15 2005, 12:04 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(SteveV @ Mar 15 2005, 12:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Paul<br /><br />Someone on UK site gave the same link, guess they all saw it at Crash-B's. The manual is quite comprehensive, will have a better look through that to see what I might be doing wrong<br /><br />Is it difficult to setup ? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry for not answering this at the time, but now that we have been redirected back to this thread... <br /><br />The only hitch I had during set-up is that there are truly "left" and "right" components that I mixed up. A further hint is to leave the seat screws slightly loose, so that once the complete assembly is together it can be centered about the handle before final tightening. (More important with the D handle when in the holder, since the clearance is very small. not an issue when the handle is at rowing height as the bars widen as they rise.<br /><br />I got the shadow installed just as we were changing to all water training so have only had a few sessions on it, however it did help iron out a lunging issue that we were having in the 2x. Things that are not apparent in a boat, become very apparent when you have a reference point in front of you.

[[old] John Rupp]

It looks easy to make. What is the price?

[[old] eannamac]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 11 2005, 07:46 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 11 2005, 07:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks easy to make.  What is the price? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hmm, thinking, would a ring mounted on the body be easier to make - assuming you use the linear row rather than the water rowing technique. A simple clamp to the body and a reasonable sized ring. <br /><br />Would also make it look like you are not rowing with stabilisers...

[[old] Carl Henrik]

I looked at the manual and saw some pictures of what to use the shadow for. I could not quite make out what to think of this image of "hooking". With english not being my native language maybe I didn't understand the term correctly. <br /><br /><img src='http://85.226.7.209/hooking/hooking.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br />In the dictionary I found "hook up": To become romantically or sexually involved with someone. ? <br /><br />I think people are ready to pay good money for that. So price shouldn't be an issue.

[[old] Ray79]

<!--QuoteBegin-Carl Henrik+Nov 11 2005, 04:38 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Nov 11 2005, 04:38 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />In the dictionary I found "hook up": To become romantically or sexually involved with someone. ?  <br /><br />I think people are ready to pay good money for that.  So price shouldn't be an issue. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think that is refering to the catch, where you begin to apply pressue at the front end of the stroke. We would say "Hook On, and Drive"<br /><br />Hopefully I have understood it right myself, if not I will be even more confused than you Carl, and I have been speking english my whole life..........well the Irish version anyway

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-Carl Henrik+Nov 11 2005, 01:38 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Nov 11 2005, 01:38 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I looked at the manual and saw some pictures of what to use the shadow for. I could not quite make out what to think of this image of "hooking". With english not being my native language maybe I didn't understand the term correctly. <br /><br />In the dictionary I found "hook up": To become romantically or sexually involved with someone. ?  <br /><br />I think people are ready to pay good money for that.  So price shouldn't be an issue. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Looks a little bit more like "spooning" to me, how did they get both people on the seat anyway? <br /><br />Seriously though. What they are trying to show to be corrected is the habit that some people have of approaching the catch with the arms not fully extended and then throwing the handle/arms down/out at the last moment and planting the oar, giving a "hook" shape to the motion at the catch. Usually this is followed by early opening of the torso, another bad habit.

[[old] Carl Henrik]

Ok! <br />Thanks I think I got it!

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-eannamac+Nov 11 2005, 01:31 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(eannamac @ Nov 11 2005, 01:31 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 11 2005, 07:46 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 11 2005, 07:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks easy to make.  What is the price? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hmm, thinking, would a ring mounted on the body be easier to make[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sounds gruelling. How would you go about that?

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-eannamac+Nov 11 2005, 01:31 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(eannamac @ Nov 11 2005, 01:31 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />Hmm, thinking, would a ring mounted on the body be easier to make - assuming you use the linear row rather than the water rowing technique. A simple clamp to the body and a reasonable sized ring. <br /><br />Would also make it look like you are not rowing with stabilisers... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This is intended exactly for on water rowers. Perhaps you aren't interpretting what it does quite right. It gives you a visual reference point of seat movement, so that it is easier to see how the handle is tied together for the drive, but also to illustrate whether or not the recovery is being accomplished well. It is not merely a reference point for reach.<br /><br />I would advocate proper technique for Ergers also, and this is a simple tool to assist in that.<br /><br />Heck, set up ErgMonitor and Rowers Shadow on an Erg on Slides and you could probably leave the person to figure it out on their own with good results after a short explanation of the basics and use of the tools.<br /><br />Now that woul be a useful "Pimping the Erg".

[[old] John Rupp]

Here is a video of someone using the rowing shadow.<br /><br />You will need to have quicktime to view it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com.au/!media/Movie ... hnique.MOV" target="_blank">http://www.concept2.com.au/!media/Movi. ... MOV</a><br /><br />What do you think of this?

[[old] ljwagner]

Interesting.<br /><br />I would think the shadow might provide bad OTW habits. This fellow, and land rowers in general, have no concern of catch and blade depth. Watching the video, it gives a different, possibly easier reference point for the hands at the catch position on the erg. I would not use one, since that end of my stroke is slightly unorthodox.<br /><br />Aid or crutch ? Depends on how the person rows with it, and without it, after training with it awhile.<br />