P/AR all-time 2k leaderboard

[MudSweatAndYears]

Another question comes to mind. Can any one person appear multiple times in the list? I presume that each entry is that person's best P/AR performance. I could see someone having many high number performances. Just wondering?

Each person only enters once. And indeed, that's with his/her all-time best P/AR (which need not be the person's all-time best in Watts).

A corollary to my question is how difficult or usual for people to maintain performance levels across years. There are few names in the list that I expected to be even better but it did not happen as far as I know.

Maintaining your P/AR score implies that relative to the world's fittest persons of the same age as you, you need to stay at the same relative level of fitness. To do so year-on-year becomes progressively more difficult. As an example, I myself as a lightweight male of age 60 achieved a 2k P/AR of 4.68. Nothing earth-shattering. I am now 61, and I am yet to do a 2k time trial at this age, but I am pretty sure I will be able to achieve the same P/AR (in fact, I hope I can improve upon this score). And for the next few years it seems not all too unlikely I will be able to maintain my mediocre 4.68 P/AR. But I can't continue doing so for many more years, as at some moment in the future my health will falter or other set backs will happen, and I will never get back at this P/AR level.

Why can I be so sure of this? If you think about it, it should become obvious that to maintain one's P/AR score (no matter how mediocre) ultimately implies reaching world record holder level oldest age. Probably long before that time your P/AR score will have dropped significantly. The key point is: when the decades pass your P/AR score compares you with ever different individuals who happen to set the bar for that particular age. If you are 40 years old, you are compared with world record performers of roughly 40 years of age. Ten years later your P/AR turns into a comparison of world record performers of roughly 50 years of age. And so on. And while keeping up with a single individual might be feasible, doing so against the top-performer of a whole army of individuals is virtually impossible.

[Cyclingman1]

So in my case, I gradually declined from a P/AR of 6.44, age 66 to 6.08, age 69, and then an uptick at age 73 to my best P/AR of 6.60, age 75. Is all of that consistent with your explanation?

[MudSweatAndYears]

So in my case, I gradually declined from a P/AR of 6.44, age 66 to 6.08, age 69, and then an uptick at age 73 to my best P/AR of 6.60, age 75. Is all of that consistent with your explanation?

Yes, P/AR scores go up and down as they are an indicator of your relative health compared to the most healthy people of your age. What I was saying above is that in the (very) long run one should expect a decline.

[Cyclingman1]

It would be great to see a similar listing for 5K rows. For me 5K comes close to indicating the best rowers. I'm not saying that doing well at 500m and 1K don't indicate great rowing. But I do see body builder types excelling at those distances and being non competitive at 2K and especially 5K.

[MudSweatAndYears]

As requested (apologies for the poor formatting):

RowErg (Normal) Master's GOATs 5000m
# Name . . . . . . . . . M/F . Country Class . Age . Season Verified . Time . Watts . P/AR
01 TJ Oesterling . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 65 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 17:06.5 . 324 . . 5,89
02 Anne Bourlioux . . . F . . CAN . . Heavy . 55 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:54.5 . 240 . . 5,76
03 Mahé Drysdale . . . M . . NZL . . Heavy . 41 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 15:16.4 . 455 . . 5,76
04 Frances Houghton . F . . GBR . . Heavy . 35 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 17:18.2 . 313 . . 5,74
05 Susan Hooten . . . . F . . USA . . Light . . 62 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 19:39.5 . 213 . . 5,73
06 Brad Brinegar . . . . M. . USA . . Heavy . 64 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:11.8 . 319 . . 5,70
07 Steve Krum . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 64 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:17.2 . 314 . . 5,61
08 Anna Bailey . . . . . F . . GBR . . Heavy . 52 . . 2003 . Race . . 18:47.2 . 244 . . 5,60
09 Nancy Cook . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . . 57 . . 2022 . Race . . 19:16.9 . 226 . . 5,60
10 Frans van Mierlo . . M . . NED . . Heavy . 73 . . 2021 . . Yes . .18:19.9 . . 263 . . 5,60
11 Bill Nurge . . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 60 . . 2023 . . Yes . . 16:54.9 . . 335 . . 5,58
12 Ann Wopat . . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . 61 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 19:43.5 . . 211 . . 5,58
13 Georgie Rowe . . . . F . . AUS . . Heavy . 26 . . 2020 . . Yes . .16:54.2 . . 336 . . 5,58
14 Jim Grattan . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 66 . . . 2012 . . Yes . . 17:34.0 . 299 . . 5,54
15 Rob Wadell . . . . . . M . . NZL . . Heavy . 32 . . 2008 . . Yes . . 14:58.3 . 483 . . 5,49
16 Ian McNuff . . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . 60 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 17:00.5 . 329 . . 5,48
17 Raimund Haberl . . M . . AUT . . Light . . . 70 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:05.3 . 274 . . 5,48
18 Joanne Blundell . . F . . GBR . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 19:37.9 . 214 . . 5,47
19 Mike Hurley . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . . 84 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 20:10.7 . 197 . . 5,47
20 James Crawford . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 17:14.7 . 316 . . 5,45
21 Andrew Benko . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2018 . . Yes . . 16:11.9 . 381 . . 5,44
22 Ellen Pazdzior . . . F . . CAN . . Heavy . . 64 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 20:17.4 . 194 . . 5,40
23 Nina Thölking . . . . F . . SUI . . Heavy . . 38 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:52.5 . 284 . . 5,40
24 Luanne Mills . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . . 82 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 23:06.6 . 131 . . 5,38
25 lexy sexy . . . . . . . F . . USA . . Light . . . 26 . . 2022. . Yes . . 17:07.5 . . 323 . 5,36
26 Marjorie Roome . . . F . . GBR . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 20:07.4 . 199 . 5,35
27 John Irvine . . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . . 63 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:28.2 . 304 . 5,33
28 Ken Gates . . . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 17:05.5 . 325 . 5,33
29 Justine Reston . . . . F . . GBR . . Light . . . 50 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:54.9 . 239 . 5,33
30 George Petelin . . . . M . . AUS . . Heavy . 73 . . 2018 . . Race . 18:38.9 . 250 . 5,32
31 Morgane Toullec . . . F . FRA . . Heavy . . 37 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:52.9 . 283 . 5,32
32 Margit Haahr Hansen F . DEN . . Heavy . . 49 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:50.3 . 242 . 5,32
33 Phil Carman . . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 66 . . 2017 . . Yes. . 17:48.7 . 287 . 5,31
34 Liz FELDMAN . . . . . F . AUS . . Light . . . 70 . . 2019 . . Race . 21:13.1 . 170 . 5,30
35 Elizabeth Feldman . F . AUS . . Light . . . 70 . . . 2019 . . Race . 21:13.1 . 170 . 5,30
36 Eileen Ryan . . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 70 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 21:13.0 . 170 . 5,30
37 Graham Benton . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . .41 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 15:41.8 . 419 . 5,30
38 Mies Bernelot Moens F . NED . . Heavy . . 73 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 21:40.4 . 159 . 5,28
39 Michael Tebay . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 65 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 17:44.4 . 290 . 5,27
40 Tom George . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 27 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 14:53.9 . 490 . 5,27
41 John Struik . . . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 70 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:20.1 . 263 . 5,26
42 David Dix . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 52 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 16:33.6 . 357 . 5,25
43 Shirley Godkin . . . . F . NZL . . Heavy . . 65 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 20:38.4 . 184 . 5,22
44 Thomas Jensen . . . M . DEN . . Heavy . . 51 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:31.2 . 359 . 5,20
45 Richard Steventon . M GBR . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 17:31.9 . 301 . 5,19
46 Jørgen Engelbrecht . M DEN . . Light . . . 67 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 18:03.5 . 275 . 5,19
47 Chris Cooper . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 63. . 2016 . . Yes . . 17:38.2 . 295 . 5,18
48 Robert Lee . . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 72 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 18:41.8 . 248 . 5,17
49 Anne Cresswell . . . . F . AUS . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2010 . . Yes . . 21:33.1 . 162 . 5,16
50 David Gillard . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 16:29.4 . 361 . 5,16
51 Victoria Starr . . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 48 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:56.5 . 238 . 5,16
52 Kim Kilgore . . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 48 . . 2011 . . Yes . . 18:57.1 . 238 . 5,16
53 Joan Van Blom . . . . F . USA . . Light . . . 54 . . 2008 . . Yes . . 19:31.8 . 218 . 5,15
54 Kristi Stoddard . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:08.6 . 231 . 5,15
55 Gina Sage . . . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 20:03.9 . 201 . 5,14
56 Sarah Springman . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 64 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:38.0 . 184 . 5,13
57 Jan Otto Kristiansen M NOR . . Heavy . . 80 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:55.6 . 205 . 5,13
58 Beth Burchill . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 49 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 19:04.7 . 233 . 5,12
59 Fred Frey . . . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 53 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:47.1 . 343 . 5,12
60 Eric Murray . . . . . . M . NZL . . Heavy . . 31 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 15:16.4 . 455 . 5,11
61 Bill Pitlick . . . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 73 . . 2018 . . Yes . . 18:53.6 . 240 . 5,11
62 Brian Bailey . . . . . . M . GBR . . Light . . 60 . . 2006 . . Yes . . 17:26.3 . 306 . 5,10
63 Gérard LE FLOHIC . . M . FRA . . Light . . 65 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:57.8 . 280 . 5,09
64 Julie Schonberg . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 61 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:21.8 . 192 . 5,08
65 Louise Wymer . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 52 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:24.8 . 221 . 5,07
66 Cori Simms . . . . . . F . CAN . . Heavy . . 60 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 20:14.3 . 195 . 5,07
67 Klaus Bischof . . . . . M . GER . . Light . . . 52 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:46.3 . 344 . 5,06
68 Kor van Hateren . . . M . NED . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:40.6 . 293 . 5,05
69 michael rascher . . . M . CAN . . Heavy . . 53 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 16:51.2 . 338 . 5,04
70 Joanne Marriott . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 77 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 22:39.4 . 139 . 5,04
71 Dave Williams . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 47 . . 2016 . . Yes 16:23.8 . 368 . 5,04
72 Hjalmar Schiotz . . . M . NOR . . Light . . 70 . . 2020 . . Yes 18:35.9 . 252 . 5,04
73 Tessa Brockwell . . . F . AUS . . Light . . 50 . . 2007 . . Yes 19:16.7 . 226 . 5,04
74 Ross Mursell . . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 65 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:00.6 . 277 . 5,04
75 Paul Cole . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:24.1 . 307 . 5,03
76 Kirsten Kline . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 31 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:48.9 . 287 . 5,03
77 David W. Woodard . M . USA . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2010 . . Yes . . 18:44.5 . 246 . 5,02
78 William Esterhuizen M . USA . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:43.4 . 291 . 5,02
79 Michael Meyer . . . . M . GER . . Heavy . . 60 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 17:31.8 . 301 . 5,02
80 Tony Larkman . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:38.6 . 351 . 5,01
81 Su Larcombe . . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 40 . . 1996 . . Yes . . 18:28.4 . 257 . 5,01
82 Keith Colman . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 18:45.8 . 245 . 5,00
83 Jim Burt . . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 54 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 17:00.3 . 330 . 5,00
84 Eddie Ventress . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 16:39.9 . 350 . 5,00
85 Fiona Jamie . . . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 61 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:27.1 . 189 . 5,00
86 ndrew Shuck . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 52 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:50.5 . 339. 4,99
87 James Fargo . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 60 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:33.6 . 299 . 4,98
88 James Castellan . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2008 . . Yes . . 17:46.1 . 289 . 4,98
89 Graham Spittle . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:48.3 . 244 . 4,98
90 Terry Dargan . . . . . M . AUS . . Light . . . 72 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 18:56.2 . 239 . 4,98
91 Ian Boyd . . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 73 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:03.4 . 234 . 4,98
92 Helen Pearce . . . . . F . AUS . . Heavy . . 41 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 18:36.0 . 252 . 4,98
93 Patricia McGill . . . . F . CAN . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 20:35.7 . 185 . 4,98
94 Luke Wollenschlaeger M . RSA . . Heavy . . 43 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 16:10.3 . 383 . 4,97
95 Frans Bouwmans . . . M . CAN . . Heavy . . 57 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:18.3 . 313 . 4,97
96 Bjørn Johansen . . . . M . DEN . . Heavy . . 68 . . 2013 . . Yes . . 18:26.8 . 258 . 4,96
97 Therese Brockwell . . F . AUS . . Light . . . 63 . . 2020 . . Race . 20:45.2 . 181 . 4,95
98 Marie Louise Dräger . F . GER . . Light . . . 40 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 18:33.4 . 254 . 4,95
99 John Fox . . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 61 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:42.0 . 292 . 4,95
100 Patricia Hira-Creagh F . NZL . . Heavy . . 56 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 19:59.7 . 203 . 4,95

[Sakly]

Formatting can be much improved using 'code' option of BB code.
Only the field size cannot be changed.
(now you see not much difference as the original text has no tabs. But if you format text with tabs then code will give you straight rows as a table.)

As requested (apologies for the poor formatting):

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 RowErg (Normal) Master's GOATs 5000m									
# Name . . . . . . . . . M/F . Country Class . Age . Season Verified . Time . Watts . P/AR
01 TJ Oesterling . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 65 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 17:06.5 . 324 . . 5,89
02 Anne Bourlioux . . . F . . CAN . . Heavy . 55 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:54.5 . 240 . . 5,76
03 Mahé Drysdale . . . M . . NZL	. . Heavy . 41 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 15:16.4 . 455 . . 5,76
04 Frances Houghton	. F . . GBR	. . Heavy . 35 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 17:18.2 . 313 . . 5,74
05 Susan Hooten . . . . F . . USA	. . Light . . 62 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 19:39.5 . 213 . . 5,73
06 Brad Brinegar . . . . M. . USA . . Heavy . 64 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:11.8 . 319 . . 5,70
07 Steve Krum . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 64 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:17.2 . 314 . . 5,61
08 Anna Bailey . .  . . . F . . GBR . . Heavy . 52 . . 2003 . Race . . 18:47.2 . 244 . . 5,60
09 Nancy Cook . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . . 57 . . 2022 . Race . . 19:16.9 . 226 . . 5,60
10 Frans van Mierlo . . M . . NED . . Heavy . 73 . . 2021 . . Yes . .18:19.9 . . 263 . . 5,60
11 Bill Nurge . . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 60 . . 2023 . . Yes . . 16:54.9 . . 335 . . 5,58
12 Ann Wopat . . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . 61 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 19:43.5 . . 211 . . 5,58
13 Georgie Rowe . . . . F . . AUS . . Heavy . 26 . . 2020 . . Yes . .16:54.2 . . 336 . . 5,58
14 Jim Grattan . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . 66 . . . 2012 . . Yes . . 17:34.0 . 299 . . 5,54
15 Rob Wadell . . . . . . M . . NZL . . Heavy . 32 . . 2008 . . Yes . . 14:58.3 . 483 . . 5,49
16 Ian McNuff . . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . 60	. . 2017 . . Yes . . 17:00.5 . 329 . . 5,48
17 Raimund Haberl . . M . . AUT	. . Light . . . 70	. . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:05.3 . 274 . . 5,48
18 Joanne Blundell . . F . . GBR	. . Heavy . . 59 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 19:37.9 . 214 . . 5,47
19 Mike Hurley . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . . 84	. . 2020 . . Yes . . 20:10.7 . 197 . . 5,47
20 James Crawford . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 62	. . 2017 . . Yes . . 17:14.7 . 316 . . 5,45
21 Andrew Benko . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2018 . . Yes . . 16:11.9 . 381 . . 5,44
22 Ellen Pazdzior . . . F . . CAN . . Heavy . . 64 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 20:17.4 . 194 . . 5,40
23 Nina Thölking . . . . F . . SUI . . Heavy . . 38 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:52.5 . 284 . . 5,40
24 Luanne Mills . . . . . F . . USA . . Heavy . . 82 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 23:06.6 . 131 . . 5,38
25 lexy sexy . . . . . . . F . . USA . . Light . . . 26 . . 2022. . Yes . . 17:07.5 . . 323 . 5,36
26 Marjorie Roome . . . F . . GBR . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 20:07.4 . 199 . 5,35
27 John Irvine . . . . . . M . . GBR . . Heavy . . 63 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:28.2 . 304 . 5,33
28 Ken Gates . . . . . . . M . . USA . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 17:05.5 . 325 . 5,33
29 Justine Reston . . . . F . . GBR . . Light . . . 50 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:54.9 . 239 . 5,33
30 George Petelin . . . . M . . AUS . . Heavy . 73 . . 2018 . . Race . 18:38.9 . 250 . 5,32
31 Morgane Toullec . . . F . FRA . . Heavy . . 37 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:52.9 . 283 . 5,32
32 Margit Haahr Hansen F . DEN . . Heavy . . 49 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:50.3 . 242 . 5,32
33 Phil Carman	. . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 66 . . 2017 . . Yes. . 17:48.7 . 287 . 5,31
34 Liz FELDMAN	. . . . . F . AUS . . Light . . . 70 . . 2019 . . Race . 21:13.1 . 170 . 5,30
35 Elizabeth Feldman . F . AUS . . Light . . . 70 . . . 2019 . . Race . 21:13.1 . 170 . 5,30
36 Eileen Ryan . . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 70 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 21:13.0 . 170 . 5,30
37 Graham Benton . . . M . GBR	. . Heavy . . .41 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 15:41.8 . 419 . 5,30
38 Mies Bernelot Moens F . NED	. . Heavy . . 73 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 21:40.4 . 159 . 5,28
39 Michael Tebay . . . . M . USA	. . Heavy . . 65 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 17:44.4 . 290 . 5,27
40 Tom George . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 27 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 14:53.9 . 490 . 5,27
41 John Struik . . . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 70 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 18:20.1 . 263 . 5,26
42 David Dix . . . . . . . M . GBR	. . Heavy . . 52 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 16:33.6 . 357 . 5,25
43 Shirley Godkin . . . . F . NZL . . Heavy . . 65 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 20:38.4 . 184 . 5,22
44 Thomas Jensen . . . M . DEN . . Heavy . . 51 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:31.2 . 359 . 5,20
45 Richard Steventon . M	GBR . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 17:31.9 . 301 . 5,19
46 Jørgen Engelbrecht . M	DEN . . Light . . . 67 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 18:03.5 . 275 . 5,19
47 Chris Cooper	. . . . . M . USA	. . Heavy . . 63. . 2016 . . Yes . . 17:38.2 . 295 . 5,18
48 Robert Lee . . . . . . M . USA	. . Heavy . . 72 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 18:41.8 . 248 . 5,17
49 Anne Cresswell . . . . F . AUS	. . Heavy . . 71 . . 2010 . . Yes . . 21:33.1 . 162 . 5,16
50 David Gillard . . . . . M . GBR	. . Heavy . . 50 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 16:29.4 . 361 . 5,16
51 Victoria Starr . . . . . F . GBR	. . Heavy . . 48 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:56.5 . 238 . 5,16
52 Kim Kilgore . . . . . . F . USA	. . Heavy . . 48 . . 2011 . . Yes . . 18:57.1 . 238 . 5,16
53 Joan Van Blom . . . . F . USA	. . Light . . . 54	. . 2008 . . Yes . . 19:31.8 . 218 . 5,15
54 Kristi Stoddard . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:08.6 . 231 . 5,15
55 Gina Sage . . . . . . . F . USA	. . Heavy . . 59 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 20:03.9 . 201 . 5,14
56 Sarah Springman . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 64 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:38.0 . 184 . 5,13
57 Jan Otto Kristiansen M NOR . . Heavy . . 80 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:55.6 . 205 . 5,13
58 Beth Burchill . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 49 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 19:04.7 . 233 . 5,12
59 Fred Frey . . . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 53 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:47.1 . 343 . 5,12
60 Eric Murray . . . . . . M . NZL . . Heavy . . 31 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 15:16.4 . 455 . 5,11
61 Bill Pitlick . . . . . . . M . USA	 . . Heavy . . 73	. . 2018 . . Yes . . 18:53.6 . 240 . 5,11
62 Brian Bailey . . . . . . M . GBR . . Light  . . 60	. . 2006 . . Yes . . 17:26.3 . 306 . 5,10
63 Gérard LE FLOHIC	. . M . FRA . . Light . . 65 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:57.8 . 280 . 5,09
64 Julie Schonberg . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 61 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:21.8 . 192 . 5,08
65 Louise Wymer . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 52 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:24.8 . 221 . 5,07
66 Cori Simms . . . . . . F . CAN	. . Heavy . . 60 . . 2015 . . Yes . . 20:14.3 . 195 . 5,07
67 Klaus Bischof . . . . . M . GER . . Light . . . 52 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:46.3 . 344 . 5,06
68 Kor van Hateren . . . M . NED . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:40.6 . 293 . 5,05
69 michael rascher . . . M . CAN . . Heavy . . 53 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 16:51.2 . 338 . 5,04
70 Joanne Marriott . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 77 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 22:39.4 . 139 . 5,04
71 Dave Williams . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 47 . . 2016 . . Yes	16:23.8 . 368 . 5,04
72 Hjalmar Schiotz . . . M . NOR . . Light . . 70 . . 2020 . . Yes	18:35.9 . 252 . 5,04
73 Tessa Brockwell . . . F . AUS . . Light . . 50 . . 2007 . . Yes	19:16.7 . 226 . 5,04
74 Ross Mursell . . . . . M . AUS . . Heavy . . 65 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:00.6 . 277 . 5,04
75 Paul Cole . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 59 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:24.1 . 307 . 5,03
76 Kirsten Kline . . . . . F . USA . . Heavy . . 31 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 17:48.9 . 287 . 5,03
77 David W. Woodard . M . USA . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2010 . . Yes . . 18:44.5 . 246 . 5,02
78 William Esterhuizen M . USA . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:43.4 . 291 . 5,02
79 Michael Meyer . . . . M . GER . . Heavy . . 60 . . 2019 . . Yes . . 17:31.8 . 301 . 5,02
80 Tony Larkman . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:38.6 . 351 . 5,01
81 Su Larcombe . . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 40 . . 1996 . . Yes . . 18:28.4 . 257 . 5,01
82 Keith Colman . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 71 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 18:45.8 . 245 . 5,00
83 Jim Burt . . . . . . . . M . GBR	. . Heavy . . 54 . . 2014 . . Yes . . 17:00.3 . 330 . 5,00
84 Eddie Ventress . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 50 . . 2012 . . Yes . . 16:39.9 . 350 . 5,00
85 Fiona Jamie . . . . . . F . GBR . . Heavy . . 61 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 20:27.1 . 189 . 5,00
86 ndrew Shuck . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 52 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 16:50.5 . 339. 4,99
87 James Fargo . . . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 60 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:33.6 . 299 . 4,98
88 James Castellan . . . M . USA . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2008 . . Yes . . 17:46.1 . 289 . 4,98
89 Graham Spittle . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy	. . 71 . . 2020 . . Yes . . 18:48.3 . 244 . 4,98
90 Terry Dargan . . . . . M . AUS . . Light . . . 72 . . 2017 . . Yes . . 18:56.2 . 239 . 4,98
91 Ian Boyd . . . . . . . . M . GBR	. . Heavy . . 73 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 19:03.4 . 234 . 4,98
92 Helen Pearce . . . . . F . AUS . . Heavy . . 41 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 18:36.0 . 252 . 4,98
93 Patricia McGill . . . . F . CAN . . Heavy . . 62 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 20:35.7 . 185 . 4,98
94 Luke Wollenschlaeger M . RSA . . Heavy . . 43 . . 2016 . . Yes . . 16:10.3 . 383 . 4,97
95 Frans Bouwmans . . . M . CAN . . Heavy . . 57 . . 2021 . . Yes . . 17:18.3 . 313 . 4,97
96 Bjørn Johansen . . . . M . DEN . . Heavy . . 68 . . 2013 . . Yes . . 18:26.8 . 258 . 4,96
97 Therese Brockwell . . F . AUS . . Light . . . 63 . . 2020 . . Race . 20:45.2 . 181 . 4,95
98 Marie Louise Dräger . F . GER . . Light . . . 40 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 18:33.4 . 254 . 4,95
99 John Fox . . . . . . . . M . GBR . . Heavy . . 61	. . 2022 . . Yes . . 17:42.0 . 292 . 4,95
100 Patricia Hira-Creagh F . NZL . . Heavy . . 56 . . 2022 . . Yes . . 19:59.7 . 203 . 4,95

[MudSweatAndYears]

Thanks Sakly, that makes a big difference!

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#	Name       		M/F	Country	Class	Age	Season	Verif.	Time	Watts	P/AR
 1	TJ Oesterling		M	USA	Heavy	65	2014	Yes	17:06.5	324	5,89
 2	Anne Bourlioux		F	CAN	Heavy	55	2016	Yes	18:54.5	240	5,76
 3	Mahé Drysdale		M	NZL	Heavy	41	2020	Yes	15:16.4	455	5,76
 4	Frances Houghton	F	GBR	Heavy	35	2016	Yes	17:18.2	313	5,74
 5	Susan Hooten		F	USA	Light	62	2016	Yes	19:39.5	213	5,73
 6	Brad Brinegar		M	USA	Heavy	64	2020	Yes	17:11.8	319	5,70
 7	Steve Krum		M	USA	Heavy	64	2020	Yes	17:17.2	314	5,61
 8	Anna Bailey		F	GBR	Heavy	52	2003	Race	18:47.2	244	5,60
 9	Nancy Cook		F	USA	Heavy	57	2022	Race	19:16.9	226	5,60
10	Frans van Mierlo	M	NED	Heavy	73	2021	Yes	18:19.9	263	5,60
11	Bill Nurge  		M	USA	Heavy	60	2023	Yes	16:54.9	335	5,58
12	Ann Wopat		F	USA	Heavy	61	2015	Yes	19:43.5	211	5,58
13	Georgie Rowe		F	AUS	Heavy	26	2020	Yes	16:54.2	336	5,58
14	Jim Grattan		M	USA	Heavy	66	2012	Yes	17:34.0	299	5,54
15	Rob Wadell		M	NZL	Heavy	32	2008	Yes	14:58.3	483	5,49
16	Ian McNuff		M	GBR	Heavy	60	2017	Yes	17:00.5	329	5,48
17	Raimund Haberl  	M	AUT	Light 	70	2020	Yes	18:05.3	274	5,48
18	Joanne Blundell   	F	GBR	Heavy	59	2022	Yes	19:37.9	214	5,47
19	Mike Hurley		M	GBR	Heavy	84	2020	Yes	20:10.7	197	5,47
20	James Crawford     	M	USA	Heavy	62	2017	Yes	17:14.7	316	5,45
21	Andrew Benko		M	USA	Heavy	50	2018	Yes	16:11.9	381	5,44
22	Ellen Pazdzior		F	CAN	Heavy	64	2022	Yes	20:17.4	194	5,40
23	Nina Thölking		F	SUI	Heavy	38	2021	Yes	17:52.5	284	5,40
24	Luanne Mills		F	USA	Heavy	82	2021	Yes	23:06.6	131	5,38
25	lexy sexy	       	F	USA	Light	26	2022	Yes	17:07.5	323	5,36
26	Marjorie Roome		F	GBR	Heavy	62	2014	Yes	20:07.4	199	5,35
27	John Irvine		M	GBR	Heavy	63	2020	Yes	17:28.2	304	5,33
28	Ken Gates	   	M	USA	Heavy	59	2019	Yes	17:05.5	325	5,33
29	Justine Reston		F	GBR	Light	50	2020	Yes	18:54.9	239	5,33
30	George Petelin		M	AUS	Heavy	73	2018	Race	18:38.9	250	5,32
31	Morgane Toullec    	F	FRA	Heavy	37	2021	Yes	17:52.9	283	5,32
32	Margit Haahr Hansen	F	DEN	Heavy	49	2016	Yes	18:50.3	242	5,32
33	Phil Carman		M	AUS	Heavy	66	2017	Yes	17:48.7	287	5,31
34	Liz FELDMAN		F	AUS	Light	70	2019	Race	21:13.1	170	5,30
35	Elizabeth Feldman	F	AUS	Light	70	2019	Race	21:13.1	170	5,30
36	Eileen Ryan		F	USA	Heavy	70	2021	Yes	21:13.0	170	5,30
37	Graham Benton		M	GBR	Heavy	41	2015	Yes	15:41.8	419	5,30
38	Mies Bernelot Moens	F	NED	Heavy	73	2019	Yes	21:40.4	159	5,28
39	Michael Tebay		M	USA	Heavy	65	2012	Yes	17:44.4	290	5,27
40	Tom George		M	GBR	Heavy	27	2022	Yes	14:53.9	490	5,27
41	John Struik		M	AUS	Heavy	70	2016	Yes	18:20.1	263	5,26
42	David Dix   		M	GBR	Heavy	52	2021	Yes	16:33.6	357	5,25
43	Shirley Godkin		F	NZL	Heavy	65	2012	Yes	20:38.4	184	5,22
44	Thomas Jensen		M	DEN	Heavy	51	2020	Yes	16:31.2	359	5,20
45	Richard Steventon	M	GBR	Heavy	62	2015	Yes	17:31.9	301	5,19
46	Jørgen Engelbrecht	M	DEN	Light	67	2014	Yes	18:03.5	275	5,19
47	Chris Cooper		M	USA	Heavy	63	2016	Yes	17:38.2	295	5,18
48	Robert Lee		M	USA	Heavy	72	2017	Yes	18:41.8	248	5,17
49	Anne Cresswell		F	AUS	Heavy	71	2010	Yes	21:33.1	162	5,16
50	David Gillard		M	GBR	Heavy	50	2022	Yes	16:29.4	361	5,16
51	Victoria Starr		F	GBR	Heavy	48	2020	Yes	18:56.5	238	5,16
52	Kim Kilgore		F	USA	Heavy	48	2011	Yes	18:57.1	238	5,16
53	Joan Van Blom		F	USA	Light	54	2008	Yes	19:31.8	218	5,15
54	Kristi Stoddard		F	USA	Heavy	50	2021	Yes	19:08.6	231	5,15
55	Gina Sage	  	F	USA	Heavy	59	2015	Yes	20:03.9	201	5,14
56	Sarah Springman  	F	GBR	Heavy	64	2021	Yes	20:38.0	184	5,13
57	Jan Otto Kristiansen	M	NOR	Heavy	80	2021	Yes	19:55.6	205	5,13
58	Beth Burchill		F	USA	Heavy	49	2016	Yes	19:04.7	233	5,12
59	Fred Frey   		M	USA	Heavy	53	2020	Yes	16:47.1	343	5,12
60	Eric Murray		M	NZL	Heavy	31	2014	Yes	15:16.4	455	5,11
61	Bill Pitlick	   	M	USA	Heavy	73	2018	Yes	18:53.6	240	5,11
62	Brian Bailey		M	GBR	Light	60	2006	Yes	17:26.3	306	5,10
63	Gérard LE FLOHIC	M	FRA	Light	65	2021	Yes	17:57.8	280	5,09
64	Julie Schonberg		F	USA	Heavy	61	2021	Yes	20:21.8	192	5,08
65	Louise Wymer		F	GBR	Heavy	52	2021	Yes	19:24.8	221	5,07
66	Cori Simms		F	CAN	Heavy	60	2015	Yes	20:14.3	195	5,07
67	Klaus Bischof		M	GER	Light	52	2020	Yes	16:46.3	344	5,06
68	Kor van Hateren  	M	NED	Heavy	62	2022	Yes	17:40.6	293	5,05
69	michael rascher  	M	CAN	Heavy	53	2019	Yes	16:51.2	338	5,04
70	Joanne Marriott  	F	USA	Heavy	77	2016	Yes	22:39.4	139	5,04
71	Dave Williams		M	AUS	Heavy	47	2016	Yes	16:23.8	368	5,04
72	Hjalmar Schiotz   	M	NOR	Light	70	2020	Yes	18:35.9	252	5,04
73	Tessa Brockwell		F	AUS	Light	50	2007	Yes	19:16.7	226	5,04
74	Ross Mursell		M	AUS	Heavy	65	2020	Yes	18:00.6	277	5,04
75	Paul Cole   		M	GBR	Heavy	59	2020	Yes	17:24.1	307	5,03
76	Kirsten Kline		F	USA	Heavy	31	2020	Yes	17:48.9	287	5,03
77	David W. Woodard	M	USA	Heavy	71	2010	Yes	18:44.5	246	5,02
78	William Esterhuizen	M	USA	Heavy	62	2021	Yes	17:43.4	291	5,02
79	Michael Meyer		M	GER	Heavy	60	2019	Yes	17:31.8	301	5,02
80	Tony Larkman		M	GBR	Heavy	50	2020	Yes	16:38.6	351	5,01
81	Su Larcombe		F	GBR	Heavy	40	1996	Yes	18:28.4	257	5,01
82	Keith Colman		M	USA	Heavy	71	2012	Yes	18:45.8	245	5,00
83	Jim Burt   		M	GBR	Heavy	54	2014	Yes	17:00.3	330	5,00
84	Eddie Ventress		M	GBR	Heavy	50	2012	Yes	16:39.9	350	5,00
85	Fiona Jamie		F	GBR	Heavy	61	2021	Yes	20:27.1	189	5,00
86	Andrew Shuck		M	GBR	Heavy	52	2020	Yes	16:50.5	339	4,99
87	James Fargo		M	USA	Heavy	60	2022	Yes	17:33.6	299	4,98
88	James Castellan   	M	USA	Heavy	62	2008	Yes	17:46.1	289	4,98
89	Graham Spittle		M	GBR	Heavy	71	2020	Yes	18:48.3	244	4,98
90	Terry Dargan		M	AUS	Light	72	2017	Yes	18:56.2	239	4,98
91	Ian Boyd   		M	GBR	Heavy	73	2021	Yes	19:03.4	234	4,98
92	Helen Pearce		F	AUS	Heavy	41	2021	Yes	18:36.0	252	4,98
93	Patricia McGill		F	CAN	Heavy	62	2022	Yes	20:35.7	185	4,98
94	Luke Wollenschlaeg.	M	RSA	Heavy	43	2016	Yes	16:10.3	383	4,97
95	Frans Bouwmans    	M	CAN	Heavy	57	2021	Yes	17:18.3	313	4,97
96	Bjørn Johansen		M	DEN	Heavy	68	2013	Yes	18:26.8	258	4,96
97	Therese Brockwell	F	AUS	Light	63	2020	Race	20:45.2	181	4,95
98	Marie Louise Dräger	F	GER	Light	40	2022	Yes	18:33.4	254	4,95
99	John Fox    		M	GBR	Heavy	61	2022	Yes	17:42.0	292	4,95
100	Patricia Hira-Creagh	F	NZL	Heavy	56	2022	Yes	19:59.7	203	4,95

[Cyclingman1]

I really appreciate a listing of top 5K times based on P/AR. Why am I not surprised that TJO is at the top of the list? I was chasing him throughout my 60s. Not to mention Anne Bourlioux, a real power house a few years ago. I think TJO may be the best older erger ever. At age 74, not sure if he is still doing it.

It looks like I managed to make this list at #14. Although that is not my best effort. In season 2018, at age 71 I set the 5K WR for 70+, based on observation. The PM3 I was on did not verify times. In any event my 18:00.1 row calculates to 5.67 which would put me at #7. I also did a 5.62 at age 67 in season 2014, but unfortunately it was not verified. I frequently did JustRows in those days and simply stopped and calculated times when I felt like I had a good row. I wasn't figuring on being on a P/AR list.

What would be really cool if 2K and 5K numbers could somehow be combined and a new list created based on that combination. Maybe a simple addition would be appropriate. Not sure what it would prove, but it might be interesting.

BTW, Concept2 will not accept my 7:02.6 as a 75+ 2K WR. No problem. Doesn't affect me in any way.

[KeithT]

This is interesting and for my age group I see Andy Benko on both list. When you look at World records across the 50-59 age group he owns most of them (all from 1K - to HM) and has won numerous World Championships - as far as overall best Masters Indoor Rower I am not sure anyone is better.

[Cyclingman1]

as far as overall best Masters Indoor Rower I am not sure anyone is better.

I should have been more explicit. When I say older rowers, I'm starting pretty much at age 60. For those in their 50s who think of yourself as an "older" rower, trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. As far as my claim that TJO is probably the best older rower ever, there really is no one that is remotely close. I suspect that those older rowers who have been involved with Concept2 for the last fifteen years or so would back me up. I'm not saying that there have not been some other good older rowers, but not at his level across the board.

[KeithT]

as far as overall best Masters Indoor Rower I am not sure anyone is better.

I should have been more explicit. When I say older rowers, I'm starting pretty much at age 60. For those in their 50s who think of yourself as an "older" rower, trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. As far as my claim that TJO is probably the best older rower ever, there really is no one that is remotely close. I suspect that those older rowers who have been involved with Concept2 for the last fifteen years or so would back me up. I'm not saying that there have not been some other good older rowers, but not at his level across the board.

You ain't seen nothing yet.....sadly the reality of aging is a big battle for me right now. I have been struggling for a while and not sure competing in World Championships and having top times are in the cards for me any more. So, keeping good times into your 60s and older seems more astonishing now.

[Cyclingman1]

I have been struggling for a while and not sure competing in World Championships and having top times are in the cards for me any more.

You're not alone. I have struggled to keep rowing on track ever since I started at age 65, Jan 2012. I've fought injuries for the most part, but being able to focus and not let nonsense in my life derail my efforts are the main reasons for ups and downs. There is no doubt that emotional issues can be more exhausting than exercise fatigue. I guess if we all lived under ideal circumstances, we would all be the best we could be. Doesn't work that way for the most of us. But we keep trying where we can.

[Cyclingman1]

P/AR data is fascinating. What would be good would be updates to the list every season with new additions being color coded.

[MudSweatAndYears]

P/AR data is fascinating. What would be good would be updates to the list every season with new additions being color coded.

If there is consensus on which specific lists are of most interest, I might do so. Would two lists (male 2k and female 2k) do the job? Or would male and female lightweight lists need to be added? And what about other distances? (I have only limited time available...)

[Cyclingman1]

Personally, I lean to a repeat of the first list posted for 2K, which included both men and women. The 5K list was good too. JimG