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Sakly
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by Sakly » March 28th, 2023, 1:32 am
DavidA wrote: ↑March 27th, 2023, 3:32 pm
Good planning, and great result!
Congratulations!
David
Vcweiss346 wrote: ↑March 27th, 2023, 10:34 pm
Damn dude. Nice effort!
Thanks Vic and David!
Today I am feeling fine, so not pushed hard enough
Before I started, I felt not so good. A bit bloated (my digestion issues popped up a bit last days) and not full of energy, so I restricted myself a little. But during the row it got better and better
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Sakly
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by Sakly » March 28th, 2023, 1:36 am
RWAGR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2023, 7:08 pm
Since I’ve only experienced this once, I am a total novice. With that said, my longest warm up was 30k and I felt totally fine through 30k. Even chatting a little with my rowing buddy every 10k. The last 12.2k was not mystical, and I never felt at risk of failure. The final 10k however both of us felt something “shift” in our systems, almost like the body goes into a different “mode” towards the end. Again, there were never cardio issues but the last 10k got increasingly rough from a musculoskeletal exhaustion perspective. The last 6k were a legit struggle but no risk of failure.
This shift could make it worse for me, as I never experienced it and I don't know how my body will respond.
I did 30k+ already, but on a comparatively low pace. No problem at all.
All this to say, your fitness seems great and you are full of confidence. I have no doubt you will break 2:50 even on an “average” day. If the stars align I reckon you will hit your 95% target. Maybe something to do on the last day of the season and you can as the Americans (where I live) say, leave it all out on the field!
This is my "plan" - more or less
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » March 28th, 2023, 3:37 am
Sakly wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 1:36 am
This shift could make it worse for me, as I never experienced it and I don't know how my body will respond.
I did 30k+ already, but on a comparatively low pace. No problem at all.
Don't overthink it. It's probably going to be fairly horrible, but manageable. As soon as you let those negative thoughts fester and take root it's difficult to get rid of them when or if it gets really rough.
You're very much a long term sufferer like me ie you'll endure the discomfort far better than the sharper pain of a sprint, which is ideal.
Everyone doubts themselves before they do an FM and you'll never know what it's like until you do it, but everything I know about you in exercise terms, points to you being very suited to this type of discomfort.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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Sakly
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by Sakly » March 28th, 2023, 5:31 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 3:37 am
Sakly wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 1:36 am
This shift could make it worse for me, as I never experienced it and I don't know how my body will respond.
I did 30k+ already, but on a comparatively low pace. No problem at all.
Don't overthink it. It's probably going to be fairly horrible, but manageable. As soon as you let those negative thoughts fester and take root it's difficult to get rid of them when or if it gets really rough.
You're very much a long term sufferer like me ie you'll endure the discomfort far better than the sharper pain of a sprint, which is ideal.
Everyone doubts themselves before they do an FM and you'll never know what it's like until you do it, but everything I know about you in exercise terms, points to you being very suited to this type of discomfort.
Hehe, you could be right
I am not the guy, who let negative thoughts come up and root into my mind. Only curious about how it will be.
I know that I can suffer for very long times as I proved this in many training sessions already. But never for 3 hours, so this will be a new experience
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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iain
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by iain » March 29th, 2023, 3:25 pm
Sakly wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 5:31 am
I know that I can suffer for very long times as I proved this in many training sessions already. But never for 3 hours, so this will be a new experience
You shouldn't be suffering for 3 hours. the first hour will feel like a fairly easy outing, the middle hour may not be comfortable, but well within what you are used to physically, it is just keeping the brain positive and realising this and not obsessing over what you are feeling and trying to extrapolate what that might mean before the end, ie a psychological challenge. It is only the last 10k or so that might be a physical challenge of maintaining the pace despite significant discomfort!
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Sakly
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by Sakly » March 30th, 2023, 10:11 am
iain wrote: ↑March 29th, 2023, 3:25 pm
Sakly wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 5:31 am
I know that I can suffer for very long times as I proved this in many training sessions already. But never for 3 hours, so this will be a new experience
You shouldn't be suffering for 3 hours. the first hour will feel like a fairly easy outing, the middle hour may not be comfortable, but well within what you are used to physically, it is just keeping the brain positive and realising this and not obsessing over what you are feeling and trying to extrapolate what that might mean before the end, ie a psychological challenge. It is only the last 10k or so that might be a physical challenge of maintaining the pace despite significant discomfort!
Sure, you are right. Also for my other trainings I suffered not all the time, only in the end, but that was what I meant. It could be different to have worked 2h before or only 1h before you start suffering.
As I used ~2:00 splits for long steady states already, I hope that I can handle the first two hours will enough to have no breakdown
Due to scratchy throat I will have some rest days now. Hopefully it will sort out fast and I can get back to training after the weekend.
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Elizabeth
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by Elizabeth » April 1st, 2023, 12:29 pm
Sakly wrote: ↑March 30th, 2023, 10:11 am
iain wrote: ↑March 29th, 2023, 3:25 pm
Sakly wrote: ↑March 28th, 2023, 5:31 am
I know that I can suffer for very long times as I proved this in many training sessions already. But never for 3 hours, so this will be a new experience
You shouldn't be suffering for 3 hours. the first hour will feel like a fairly easy outing, the middle hour may not be comfortable, but well within what you are used to physically, it is just keeping the brain positive and realising this and not obsessing over what you are feeling and trying to extrapolate what that might mean before the end, ie a psychological challenge. It is only the last 10k or so that might be a physical challenge of maintaining the pace despite significant discomfort!
Sure, you are right. Also for my other trainings I suffered not all the time, only in the end, but that was what I meant. It could be different to have worked 2h before or only 1h before you start suffering.
As I used ~2:00 splits for long steady states already, I hope that I can handle the first two hours will enough to have no breakdown
Due to scratchy throat I will have some rest days now. Hopefully it will sort out fast and I can get back to training after the weekend.
Sakly, well done on the 6k! Mentally I divide a FM into a manageably tough 20 miler and then a hard 10k. It also helps to divide it into smaller chunks and stay present, no need to worry about the final 10k when the immediate goal is to see the monitor tick down to 25k or 22222 or 21097 or 20k. (Nothing wrong with close and arbitrary milestones to hit!) The discomfort builds, and you'll likely handle it really well when it gets to be a lot.
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Sakly
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by Sakly » April 1st, 2023, 12:52 pm
Elizabeth wrote: ↑April 1st, 2023, 12:29 pm
Sakly, well done on the 6k! Mentally I divide a FM into a manageably tough 20 miler and then a hard 10k. It also helps to divide it into smaller chunks and stay present, no need to worry about the final 10k when the immediate goal is to see the monitor tick down to 25k or 22222 or 21097 or 20k. (Nothing wrong with close and arbitrary milestones to hit!) The discomfort builds, and you'll likely handle it really well when it gets to be a lot.
Elizabeth, thank you!
I really like to have similar chunk sizes for my rows, so I think I will set the monitor to splits of 4k and try to stay very consistent with my pace for each of the splits (except for the last, if some gas left in the tank). For my steady HMs I do the same with 2k splits
It will work out well, I am really convinced to get it. Unfortunately I got some cold and this leads to some skipped trainings and at least a missing week. As I wanted to start with 60min and HM I hope to recover well and attack FM at the very end of the season...
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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AndyNewland
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by AndyNewland » April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
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1k: 3:17.4
2k: 6:59.4
5k: 18:45.9
30min: 7715
10k: 39:43.2
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Sakly
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by Sakly » April 4th, 2023, 4:28 am
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
Wow, congratulations for your achievement!
Really high HR, but your body knows well what to do
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » April 4th, 2023, 10:38 am
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
Huge milestone achieved, and huge congratulations
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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by HornetMaX » April 4th, 2023, 11:04 am
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Congrats ! In public I'd probably say that your achievement is inspirational to me. Deep down I'm probably just a tad envious
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by KeithT » April 4th, 2023, 11:52 am
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
Woohoo - how exciting! Great job reaching your goal and major milestone and it took an all out effort.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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by winniewinser » April 4th, 2023, 12:45 pm
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
Congrats on the Holy Grail PB
6'2" 52yo
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Recent 2k - 7:19
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by DavidA » April 4th, 2023, 3:13 pm
AndyNewland wrote: ↑April 4th, 2023, 4:14 am
Sub 7 2k achieved on Saturday. I'm so happy. This was monumental for me. I've been trying for 4 years with 3 bouts of covid getting in the way.
Scraped under at 6:59.4. It was very painful. I pretty much fell off the machine at the end and couldn't move for 5 minutes, at least I I know that this was my best! HR reached 192 which is quite high for a 47 year old heart!!
Big shout out to Sam Blythe's online coaching plan, this got me over the line.
Andy
Woo Hoo!!
Congratulations!
That's always a nice time to beat - especially when you've been working towards it for so long.
David
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